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I know this might come across as "knee jerk" after the loss but we have been talking about it all year and talked about it going into tonight. Shanahan's playcalling in big games is questionable at best.

Why stop running? Why pass on first downs when CMC is getting 3-5 yards per first down carry in stretches. Why not keep using screens that were working?

He's a great coach, a brilliant offensive mind but for some reason in big games he can't do it. What's the solution?

On the other side of the ball, Wilks went prevent way too early tonight. Halfway through the fourth we started playing it safe.

Individual errors hurt us tonight but imo the playcalling cost the game.
 

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Wilkes sucks. How this defense can look that weak with the names on the backs of those jerseys is inexcusable.
 

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Several forum members at another dying forum, have wanted including me, the front office to get an above average CB for about 3 years. The Defense has at least one series where they can't stop the pass to save their lives. With one above average CB the Defense could do some extra things to disrupt the offense.
 

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Several forum members at another dying forum, have wanted including me, the front office to get an above average CB for about 3 years. The Defense has at least one series where they can't stop the pass to save their lives. With one above average CB the Defense could do some extra things to disrupt the offense.
True. Hafunga missing was big this season but another CB is needed. But having everyone stand 10 yards off the ball didn't make sense on the last few drives. Just stick with what was working.
 

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kc just made better defensive plays against purdy than san fran made on mahomes last drive.great defensive efforts both ways.kc just made better ones.
 

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In hindsight yes, we can criticize play calling and there were plays deserving of criticism. But for me not hung up so much on the calls, because players have to execute the call. For example, on Youtube is a play near the of our drive in OT, Burford totally went the wrong way allowing Chris Jones free access to Purdy. Not surprisingly, Purdy didn't even have a chance to throw it. Burford didn't even need a total block on Jones, just had to be in front of him.

In hindsight we criticize for the number of looks for Aiyuk and Kittle, but the game plan was to run more. This made sense looking at the Chiefs run D prior to the SB. Plus, we having CMC the top NFL back.

Anyway, partly play calling and partly execution, bottom line is the offense lost the game.
 

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True. Hafunga missing was big this season but another CB is needed. But having everyone stand 10 yards off the ball didn't make sense on the last few drives. Just stick with what was working.
KC's last drive in OT stood out for obvious reasons, but IMO we shouldn't even gone into OT. If our offense scores one less FG and instead, one more TD, we win in regulation. I'm sure Moody's missed PAT played some role but still, our offense underperformed.

In this draft everyone knows we need O-line starting with OT. For me, I'd even look at Center if BPA turns up in Round 3 or 4.
 

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In hindsight yes, we can criticize play calling and there were plays deserving of criticism. But for me not hung up so much on the calls, because players have to execute the call. For example, on Youtube is a play near the of our drive in OT, Burford totally went the wrong way allowing Chris Jones free access to Purdy. Not surprisingly, Purdy didn't even have a chance to throw it. Burford didn't even need a total block on Jones, just had to be in front of him.

In hindsight we criticize for the number of looks for Aiyuk and Kittle, but the game plan was to run more. This made sense looking at the Chiefs run D prior to the SB. Plus, we having CMC the top NFL back.

Anyway, partly play calling and partly execution, bottom line is the offense lost the game.
Burford deserves criticism, but I have to ask - how was he coached? Did he not know the play called? How was he mentally unprepared for that moment?

The offense was abysmal on third down. I think Kyle eek'd THREE first downs on third downs. Offense definitely lost the game.
 

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Burford deserves criticism, but I have to ask - how was he coached? Did he not know the play called? How was he mentally unprepared for that moment?

The offense was abysmal on third down. I think Kyle eek'd THREE first downs on third downs. Offense definitely lost the game.
Saw another 'highlight' where Burford went quickly to the wrong double team. So it made me wonder if he's done it enough times on his own? Like you coached him for a prior mistake but he does it again? Looks like he's so anxious to make the double team, that he forgets to check his primary read first?

Anyway, I STILL say the offense and hence Kyle Shanahan, lost the game. How can this stacked offense not score over 19 points?
 

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Saw another 'highlight' where Burford went quickly to the wrong double team. So it made me wonder if he's done it enough times on his own? Like you coached him for a prior mistake but he does it again? Looks like he's so anxious to make the double team, that he forgets to check his primary read first?

Anyway, I STILL say the offense and hence Kyle Shanahan, lost the game. How can this stacked offense not score over 19 points?
Burford REGRESSED from his rookie season.
 

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Last season the 49ers were a balanced offense, almost the equal run versus passes called. In the far past i used to agree with balance, but nowadays NFL rules 'forces' teams to throw more. It appears KS is realizing he needs to lean pass and that's good IMO. The pass plays should be something like 52-53% pass this season, if not a little more.

Other teams throw long against us and sometimes pick up PI penalties, we should add longer routes once or twice a game, maybe more depending on the strength of the defense that week? By 'long' it doesn't mean 40-50 yards in the air, we know that's not Purdy's strength, literally. But Purdy can throw it reasonably well pass the typical 12-15 yard dagger route.
 

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I know this might come across as "knee jerk" after the loss but we have been talking about it all year and talked about it going into tonight. Shanahan's playcalling in big games is questionable at best.

Why stop running? Why pass on first downs when CMC is getting 3-5 yards per first down carry in stretches. Why not keep using screens that were working?

He's a great coach, a brilliant offensive mind but for some reason in big games he can't do it. What's the solution?

On the other side of the ball, Wilks went prevent way too early tonight. Halfway through the fourth we started playing it safe.

Individual errors hurt us tonight but imo the playcalling cost the game.
seattle,s hc carrol did same thing against ne in the sb.dumbass bug hit him.
 

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seattle,s hc carrol did same thing against ne in the sb.dumbass bug hit him.
Is this the INT at the goal line? IF so, can this one play characterize that game?

Anyway, looks like we're going to lean a little more pass using 3 wide? Maybe not out of the gate but this is how you take advantage of Pearsall and maybe Cowing. It doesn't appear Cowing is that short burst, cut on a dime receiver, so maybe not Cowing. :-)

We have a hard time obtaining good CB's + NB, but so do other teams. So if that week's opponent doesn't have the quality at CB/NB, then attack them with short throws. Add routes that the Rams do with Kupp and Nacua, then it makes sense to draft Pearsall.

KC had 2 good CB's but could they have covered a 3rd who can cut on a dime? So its not like we're going to throw a few more downfield, but mostly shorter throws. This also takes pressure off the pass protection.
 

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Is this the INT at the goal line? IF so, can this one play characterize that game?

Anyway, looks like we're going to lean a little more pass using 3 wide? Maybe not out of the gate but this is how you take advantage of Pearsall and maybe Cowing. It doesn't appear Cowing is that short burst, cut on a dime receiver, so maybe not Cowing. :-)

We have a hard time obtaining good CB's + NB, but so do other teams. So if that week's opponent doesn't have the quality at CB/NB, then attack them with short throws. Add routes that the Rams do with Kupp and Nacua, then it makes sense to draft Pearsall.

KC had 2 good CB's but could they have covered a 3rd who can cut on a dime? So its not like we're going to throw a few more downfield, but mostly shorter throws. This also takes pressure off the pass protection.
did for seattle.he,ll never live that shit down.
 

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I know this might come across as "knee jerk" after the loss but we have been talking about it all year and talked about it going into tonight. Shanahan's playcalling in big games is questionable at best.

Why stop running? Why pass on first downs when CMC is getting 3-5 yards per first down carry in stretches. Why not keep using screens that were working?

He's a great coach, a brilliant offensive mind but for some reason in big games he can't do it. What's the solution?

On the other side of the ball, Wilks went prevent way too early tonight. Halfway through the fourth we started playing it safe.

Individual errors hurt us tonight but imo the playcalling cost the game.
He is the worst big game coach I’ve seen
 

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Counting NE over Atl, he has 3 4th Qtr SB losses on his ledger…

I have a hard time with that narrative. Counting NE over ATL, his team's defense gave up a 25 point lead vs. the GOAT, a unit he did NOT coach. In our two SB losses to the Chiefs, one he pant-shit, but last year's was an OT loss to Mahomes...how are we putting both of those on him?
 
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