Pettine got interveiwed today

[Caliskinsfan]

The more I look at it, the more Im hoping we hire this guy or Wilkes. Which means we will likely hire Wade or Bradley.

That's exactly why I don't want to get fixated on any one guy either!

 

[kbso83432]

From the reports I've heard is Wade and Bradley don't want to be here. Bradley is waiting on the guy in Buffalo and Wade is angling to get to LA where his daughter lives. Hate to keep quoting Cooley, but that's the word.

Said that they couldn't get an interview with Bradley, Wade, and Guenther. Now they have moved on to their second tier of candidates.

Said Redskins DC job is not that attractive. No talent and Jay's job security is a question mark. With McVay, Kyle, or a rookie HC, they would at least get 3 years.

We'll see. Watch them sign Bradley tomorrow. Lol

 

[Caliskinsfan]

More I research, less I want Bradley.

 

[BeaReylo]

Redskins defensive coordinator resume: Mike Pettine

3 reasons Mike Pettine could make sense as Redskins defensive coordinator

 

[skinsdad62]

i hope we can make a run at this guy pettine , but we have to be patient with the dc until we get talent whomever it is

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

just sign pettine he is good enough damn dudes im starting to hate gruden if we get stuck with munsky i will call the redskins the washington redpoops whats wrong with us pettine is better then barry and haslet why do we have to think about it its because we are poop just sign pettine jeez when gruden says we will take are time he is saying duh da lala dah dooooo im dumb what do i doo yes i still want bradely but dam its almost been a freaking week im thinking we will be stuck with fuckturd munsky hip hip hooray gruden your npoop

 

[chillerdab]

I don't think Pettine is all that great a coach, though he might be an upgrade from Barry.

Per Disney:
"Pettine then coached Buffalo's defense in 2013. He inherited a defense that ranked 26th in points and 22nd in yards allowed. In his one season, the Bills were 20th in points and 10th in yards.

He was then hired as the Browns head coach.

Defensively, the Browns ranked ninth in yards and 23rd in points his first season. They were 29th and 25th, respectively, in his second."


It looks like he improves the defense in one year, then the league catches up to what he is doing, and his defense tanks.

 

[Sharkinva]

I don't think Pettine is all that great a coach, though he might be an upgrade from Barry.

Per Disney:
"Pettine then coached Buffalo's defense in 2013. He inherited a defense that ranked 26th in points and 22nd in yards allowed. In his one season, the Bills were 20th in points and 10th in yards.

He was then hired as the Browns head coach.

Defensively, the Browns ranked ninth in yards and 23rd in points his first season. They were 29th and 25th, respectively, in his second."


It looks like he improves the defense in one year, then the league catches up to what he is doing, and his defense tanks.

Any stats, rankings or comparisons that come from some ones time in Cleveland should be taken with a serious grain of salt. If the Browns have 3 players at any given point in time that other teams would lust after..... turn around and look for Rod Serling... because you are damn sure in the twilight Zone.

 

[chillerdab]

I don't disagree with you, Sharkinva.

I'm just saying that his teams go backwards, and apparently one of his ideas to build his defense is to only ask a few of his players to "do the thinking" for the defense, so that the dumber players - who might be really talented nonetheless - can just go ball.

That's a stupid concept to begin with. Everybody should know as much as possible about their position.

The only good thing I can find on him is that like the previous poster said, he is known to be an attacking kind of coach, not a "tampa 2," (which doesnt work), or a "rush with four subpar pass rushers, drop 7 into the secondary, and watch the opposing team march right down the field," kind of coach, a la Joe Barry.

Edit: Also, I like the idea of having multiple players line up in multiple spots on consecutive plays. That's a great idea to confuse the offense.

 

[Sharkinva]

I don't disagree with you, Sharkinva.

I'm just saying that his teams go backwards, and apparently one of his ideas to build his defense is to only ask a few of his players to "do the thinking" for the defense, so that the dumber players - who might be really talented nonetheless - can just go ball.

That's a stupid concept to begin with. Everybody should know as much as possible about their position.

The only good thing I can find on him is that like the previous poster said, he is known to be an attacking kind of coach, not a "tampa 2," (which doesnt work), or a "rush with four subpar pass rushers, drop 7 into the secondary, and watch the opposing team march right down the field," kind of coach, a la Joe Barry.

Edit: Also, I like the idea of having multiple players line up in multiple spots on consecutive plays. That's a great idea to confuse the offense.

Actually its a brilliant concept. Not every talented player from a physical standpoint, is going to also be a mental giant. Its just like any other profession. You might have a guy who is a wizard with rebuilding engines, but sucks at transmissions. Now you could waste time and resources trying to TEACH him how to rebuild a trans, or simply hand him every broken engine in the shop and tell him to go to it. A smart coach has his guys on the field who get every one in place, and he has his grunts who have a key set of jobs they do well and rather than try and get a bunch of jack of all trades. That coach allows those players to perfect their skills, while they have the field general ( MLBs in most cases) make sure every one is lined up where they need to be.

 

[Sharkinva]

Side note.. I think barry's ultimate failure was he wanted everyone to know every position. Leading to a shit ton of confusion on the defense more often than not. Dallas had one of the better performing defenses this past season not because of the awesome talent level, but because MArrinelli used the K.I.S.S. method.

Keep
It
Simple
Stupid

 

[Skin'EmAll]

I don't disagree with you, Sharkinva.

I'm just saying that his teams go backwards, and apparently one of his ideas to build his defense is to only ask a few of his players to "do the thinking" for the defense, so that the dumber players - who might be really talented nonetheless - can just go ball.

That's a stupid concept to begin with. Everybody should know as much as possible about their position.

Edit: Also, I like the idea of having multiple players line up in multiple spots on consecutive plays. That's a great idea to confuse the offense.

Agreed. How hard is it for these university grads to learn to contain, stunt, spin, bull rush, bluff or wait for the ball to be snapped. If i was a defensive lineman, i'd be insulted this coach claims he had to tell some players to just go get the QB. was he too stupid to simplify and yet still teach a concept? Is he a lazy coach? If we stick with a 3-4 and fail under him i'm sure he'd say guys like kerrigan and baker were just not smart enough to execute plays.
Again, we know what we will get with Gus. Isn't it time for a 4-3. Its been 3 years and we still don't have a decent front 7. We've got Kerrigan, and Baker up front...nothing else. In the 4-3 these average guys can play at a higher level.

 

[Sharkinva]

Agreed. How hard is it for these university grads to learn to contain, stunt, spin, bull rush, bluff or wait for the ball to be snapped. If i was a defensive lineman, i'd be insulted this coach claims he had to tell some players to just go get the QB. was he too stupid to simplify and yet still teach a concept? Is he a lazy coach? If we stick with a 3-4 and fail under him i'm sure he'd say guys like kerrigan and baker were just not smart enough to execute plays.
Again, we know what we will get with Gus. Isn't it time for a 4-3. Its been 3 years and we still don't have a decent front 7. We've got Kerrigan, and Baker up front...nothing else. In the 4-3 these average guys can play at a higher level.

Come on man. How many kids did you play with in High School, or college for that matter who were dumb as rocks, but got passing grades because they were uber talented on the football field. Or at Basketball. Or Hockey if you live up north?? Sure you are going to get some guys who are actually intelligent AND play football. But by and large, a good number of these guys were marginal students at best. For fuck sake Dexter Manley couldnt even read, and he was one of the most fearsome pass rushers of his generation, possibly ever. Fact is, some of these guys are playing off of pure talent and athletic ability. And you can teach them to be better at what they do. But if you think you are going to get 11 spacial engineers on the defense capable of redefining the time quantum flux theory...... Shit half the NFL players I have met couldnt figure out how to change a tire. Ricky Irvin was one of the best RBs we had in DC not named Riggins or Portis.... but I know I had to go reset his alarm code every couple of months because he would manage to lock out the 5 digit code. My point being, you will have some guys who are singularly setup to do a particular task. Trying to make this uber fancy defense, when we suck at the basics is why we had failures with Haz and Barry.

 

[ehb5]

Dude I know you got a man crush thing going for Bradley. And if it werent for the whole buddy hire aspect, I might be pulling for that outcome.

But two things.

1. It seems we are HIS fallback plan.
2. He sounds like another Joe Barry with a better resume. Players will love him as a good guy coach, but there have been questions of if he can actually bring a level of discipline that our defense needs.

I think some players actually called him out for his defense in Jacksonvill but I could be wrong.

 

[ehb5]

I think Pettine might be my favorite candidate so far. Id still like Wade but shark raises some fair concerns with his age. Bradley would be my least favorite of those we're linked to I think.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

Come on man. How many kids did you play with in High School, or college for that matter who were dumb as rocks, but got passing grades because they were uber talented on the football field. Or at Basketball. Or Hockey if you live up north?? Sure you are going to get some guys who are actually intelligent AND play football. But by and large, a good number of these guys were marginal students at best. For fuck sake Dexter Manley couldnt even read, and he was one of the most fearsome pass rushers of his generation, possibly ever. Fact is, some of these guys are playing off of pure talent and athletic ability. And you can teach them to be better at what they do. But if you think you are going to get 11 spacial engineers on the defense capable of redefining the time quantum flux theory...... Shit half the NFL players I have met couldnt figure out how to change a tire. Ricky Irvin was one of the best RBs we had in DC not named Riggins or Portis.... but I know I had to go reset his alarm code every couple of months because he would manage to lock out the 5 digit code. My point being, you will have some guys who are singularly setup to do a particular task. Trying to make this uber fancy defense, when we suck at the basics is why we had failures with Haz and Barry.

Man, I can't really argue with that. BUT, it does bother me that a coach looking for work will flat out say that.
There were a ton of guys I knew in sports or even guys I played with in school or tournaments that didn't follow assignments and got away with it due to talent, but our coaches eventually pulled them or sat them down to see where their heads were at. Coaches also would address those screw ups in practice and demand better.
I could be wrong but some of Pettine's expressions came off as "hey these guys are limited or can't be taught so this is what we'll do to deal with them" instead of "I'll work harder to help these guys understand what their assignments are and I expect the leaders of the team to help them be in the right positions.

 

[Sharkinva]

Man, I can't really argue with that. BUT, it does bother me that a coach looking for work will flat out say that.
There were a ton of guys I knew in sports or even guys I played with in school or tournaments that didn't follow assignments and got away with it due to talent, but our coaches eventually pulled them or sat them down to see where their heads were at. Coaches also would address those screw ups in practice and demand better.
I could be wrong but some of Pettine's expressions came off as "hey these guys are limited or can't be taught so this is what we'll do to deal with them" instead of "I'll work harder to help these guys understand what their assignments are and I expect the leaders of the team to help them be in the right positions.

I kind of look at it as, Look I know some of these guys are talented, but also limited. So instead of trying to force guys to pickup concepts that will make them think more. Why not tailor their roles to fit their skill set, allow them to be comfortable and maximize what they do bring to the table.