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Passing game: what is the biggest weakness?

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What is the weakest link in the pass game? Protection, receivers, game plan, or QB?

I would say it is the protection. While all facets are weak, this one will kill any team. Any QB under constant pressure is not going to have a good game. I have seen Tom Brady look bad under serious pressure. When protection has been good, Alex and the receivers have shown they can be productive and efficient. Not dynamic or explosive, but enough to get the job done while the D holds down the other team.

Second, I would say it is the receivers. There is just almost no ability to make special plays, explosive plays. They just about never do it. Other than Williams taking that little pass and going 56 yards in the previous game I cannot remember the last time a receiver did anything like that. The cardinals won yesterday because they did it 3 times.

3rd I would say play calling. With the limited field view available on TV it is hard to say but it seems like most of our pass patterns are very short and therefore we put little pressure on the defense. Contrast that with Green Bay who seems to have everyone out on 20-30-40 yard passes routes every play that opens up big holes in the defense. I think we ought to at least sling a few deep ones down the field early in each game to open up the defense.

Finally, Alex is only average or so. Combine that with all the above you get what we have: a weak pass attack that scares no one.

The lesson to take I think is that you have to fix the first three before you worry about QB. yes we need another one, a better one, but we can take our time to find and groom one while getting the other pieces in place. Alex can be the guy or another couple of years.
 

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1) Protection. It all starts up front and our protection is poor to be kind.
2) WRs. When Crabs slow as shit is your #1 WR then you have problems. On a good team Ginn would be relegated to STs only. We really need make Kyle Williams more involved.
3) Play calling.
 

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On the receivng side there are two things. The receivers can't get open and all of them are known as guys who drop the ball. The main culprit though is the offensive line. They cannot protect the passer. At least during this last game, they did not use the middle of the field at all which is where they had been productive in the past.
 

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1) Protection. It all starts up front and our protection is poor to be kind.
2) WRs. When Crabs slow as shit is your #1 WR then you have problems. On a good team Ginn would be relegated to STs only. We really need make Kyle Williams more involved.
3) Play calling.

Yeah, that's pretty much exactly how I'd rank them, although I'd put QB at number 3. I haven't liked the overall playcalling and balance of the offense lately, but the calls in the passing game have been fairly good. We have had SO MANY opportunities that were bungled by missed blocks, dropped passes, or off-target throws. It's ridiculous.

It's also worth noting that, at this point, Crabtree is clearly our most consistent receiver. While his play has improved over the past several games, that's just not a great sign.
 

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1. QB
2. Protection, specifically the right side.
3. WRs.
4. Redzone offense. The 49ers have the worst redzone offense in the NFL.
 

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I'll go with this order: protection, QB, WR's, and then play calling. All were bad yesterday. First half was actually pretty good, but how do you possibly play that bad as a unit in the second half against that defense? It's mind boggling just how bad they were.

Really don't get why VD can't be targeted more in ugly games like this. One play that summed up this ugly game for me was when Delanie Walker dropped that pass on the side line.
 

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I'll go with this order: protection, QB, WR's, and then play calling. All were bad yesterday. First half was actually pretty good...

I don't see how the first half was good at all. 4 sacks and 4 field goals. That's not getting it done. We could have been up 12-0 not giving up a single yard at the half and it would have been a failure because the offense can't get in the endzone. We should have been up by 20 at the half.
 

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I don't see how the first half was good at all. 4 sacks and 4 field goals. That's not getting it done. We could have been up 12-0 not giving up a single yard at the half and it would have been a failure because the offense can't get in the endzone. We should have been up by 20 at the half.

Especially when two of the drives started at the 16 and the 4 yard line! It is just astonishing how bad their running game is inside the 5 yard line.
 

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OL - Protection/run blocking

Off gameplan - sometimes being cute isn't the right way. Do we run screens? TEs can't be forgotten considering they are our best matchup.

QB - Alex, can only defend you so much. Sometimes you just got to go through your reads. There were times he want to Crabtree on tigh coverage rather than over the middle to an open WR/TE. But you also need your weapons to make plays and catches...

Consistency & Confidience... we just need to be consistent and confident.
 

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and why no 5 yard slants? or PA Rollouts? or Pitches?

An almost indefensible play down there is the one they scored the two pointer on a couple of weeks ago. They put Crabtree in motion and he just keeps running to the sideline and Smith throws an easy pas to him. Never even tried that one.
 

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OL - Protection/run blocking

Off gameplan - sometimes being cute isn't the right way. Do we run screens? TEs can't be forgotten considering they are our best matchup.

QB - Alex, can only defend you so much. Sometimes you just got to go through your reads. There were times he want to Crabtree on tigh coverage rather than over the middle to an open WR/TE. But you also need your weapons to make plays and catches...

Consistency & Confidience... we just need to be consistent and confident.

Same question came to my mind. Teams are starting to bring the pressure and a great way to beat the pressure is throw a screen pass. Screen passes and the deep ball keep defenses off balanced. Would also like to see us run more draw plays out of the shotgun so teams can't clog the box. Give gore a break form running into 8 man fronts.
 

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Anyone know why Staley left the game in the 1st quarter and did not return? They didn't announce anything at the game but I saw them taking him to the locker room and he was not limping.

Caught a knee to head and left with a concussion.
 

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Caught a knee to head and left with a concussion.

It was caused to offset Kolb's leg to the head left with a concussion.

Not that it matters but I think it'd be dumb for people to say Kolb has a 3-6 record as a Cardinal starter much like some people included the 2007 injury game, Panthers injury game as Smith losses. Heck, by some people's account the Rams game last year was an Alex loss. In the end, it's the team's win or loss so it doesn't matter.
 

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1. QB
2. Protection, specifically the right side.
3. WRs.
4. Redzone offense. The 49ers have the worst redzone offense in the NFL.

How can you put QB number 1 when the receivers have demonstrated for years that they cannot make big plays? I submit that Aaron Rodgers numbers would be better but not great with this group. No longer would his stats be padded with all those 10 yard passes that get taken another 60 yards for a td. Our guys take a 10 yard pass and get another 3 or 4.
 

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How can you put QB number 1 when the receivers have demonstrated for years that they cannot make big plays? I submit that Aaron Rodgers numbers would be better but not great with this group. No longer would his stats be padded with all those 10 yard passes that get taken another 60 yards for a td. Our guys take a 10 yard pass and get another 3 or 4.

Easy. Are you really trying to argue against my opinion concerning the question at hand?
 

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opinions can be wrong

the offensive line should be far and away #1. having x amount of plays basically blown up, countless penalties and negative plays puts even more pressure on everyone else to execute with less 'clean plays'.

essentially with the offensive line being one of the worst in the league, it gives the offense less margin for error. ie you call the perfect play, get the perfect match ups and boom, pressure on the outside. but wait, can't step up into the pocket because there's pressure on the inside as well.
 

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It was caused to offset Kolb's leg to the head left with a concussion.

Not that it matters but I think it'd be dumb for people to say Kolb has a 3-6 record as a Cardinal starter much like some people included the 2007 injury game, Panthers injury game as Smith losses. Heck, by some people's account the Rams game last year was an Alex loss. In the end, it's the team's win or loss so it doesn't matter.

Who in this galaxy would hang our loss to StL last year on Alex? Hell, he wasn't even eligible for a save!
 
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