PAC 12 Thread v6.0

[trojanfan12]

Back to say again this NIL bullshit sucks. We aren’t Texas A&M bad at blowing money but we are the worst in the conference with spending money on useless players.

How does that make NIL bad?

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

Yeah, Georgia > Utah, but not as much as 46 > 1.

I enjoy seeing UCLA fans reduced to slurping off USC

 

[Vitamike]

I enjoy seeing UCLA fans reduced to slurping off USC

Well that's not what's happening here, it's an honest take for the crosstown rivals, so go enjoy your slurping fantasies elsewhere.

 

[Vitamike]

Besides, both will be favored until they meet on the 19th, so it that holds true, there is no reduction here either. The winner should go on to the CCG if they don't happen to play a second time. However, that scenario is unlikely.

 

[RegentDenali]

 

[Vitamike]

So, this week we have ...

No. 8 Oregon, 7-1 @ Colorado, 1-7
No. 9 USC, 7-1 vs California,3-5
No. 10 UCLA, 7-1 @ Arizona State, 3-5
No. 14 Utah, 6-2 vs Arizona, 3-5
No. 24 Oregon State, 6-2 @ Washington, 6-2

Pretty obvious where the PAC12 game of the week will be played.

With that, it's surprising to see this thread so dead considering all the Dawg posters on the Hoop.

The PAC12 Champ could still end up being a 2 loss Conference team, no?

Anyone see an upset outside of the game in bold?

 

[Vitamike]

Out of all the games listed, I do think it's my Bruins this week that should be on upset alert!

The Sun Devils just took down the Huskies three weeks ago in Tempe, and are a field goal away from a three game win streak.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

With that, it's surprising to see this thread so dead considering all the Dawg posters on the Hoop.

Many of this thread's former posters now reside on another board.

 

[RegentDenali]

Out of all the games listed, I do think it's my Bruins this week that should be on upset alert!

The Sun Devils just took down the Huskies three weeks ago in Tempe, and are a field goal away from a three game win streak.

Crap always happens down in the desert there. Could easily turn into a no defense shootout.

Weather is supposed to be nasty in Seattle this weekend. Looks like were going to lose some advantage with the passing attack.

 

[Gator]

So, this week we have ...

No. 8 Oregon, 7-1 @ Colorado, 1-7
No. 9 USC, 7-1 vs California,3-5
No. 10 UCLA, 7-1 @ Arizona State, 3-5
No. 14 Utah, 6-2 vs Arizona, 3-5
No. 24 Oregon State, 6-2 @ Washington, 6-2

Pretty obvious where the PAC12 game of the week will be played.

With that, it's surprising to see this thread so dead considering all the Dawg posters on the Hoop.

The PAC12 Champ could still end up being a 2 loss Conference team, no?

Anyone see an upset outside of the game in bold?

IMHO, here is what is wrong with the PAC (and the rest of college football): the PAC has 5 teams in the top 25 but who have they played OOC?
2 P5 opponents (#2 UGa and #41 UF) and lost both. These 5 PAC teams have also played and beaten 8 G5 teams all below #50. They aren't alone.

If you take the top 30 teams in the Massey Composited Poll and omit Notre Dame (they skew the data badly which I will show later) that leave the "Top 29". These 29 teams play 96 OOC opponents but only 8 are opponent in the "Top 29".
That's really only 4 games: UGa vs Ore, Bama vs Texas, KSU vs Tulane, and LSU vs FSU. There just aren't enough meaningful OOC games anymore.

As for ND, they play 12 OOC games with 5 of those vs "Top 29". That means that ND plays more "Top 30" opponents than the other 29 teams do!

Including ND in the Top 30 means that they play 113 OOC opponents with 18 being against other "Top 30" teams.

Of course IF ND loses to Clemson (this week) and USC (the last week of the season) they will end up 7-5. ND is only ranked #24 and I doubt with 2 more losses that ND will still be in the top 30.

 

[BamaDude]

So, this week we have ...

No. 8 Oregon, 7-1 @ Colorado, 1-7
No. 9 USC, 7-1 vs California,3-5
No. 10 UCLA, 7-1 @ Arizona State, 3-5
No. 14 Utah, 6-2 vs Arizona, 3-5
No. 24 Oregon State, 6-2 @ Washington, 6-2

Pretty obvious where the PAC12 game of the week will be played.

With that, it's surprising to see this thread so dead considering all the Dawg posters on the Hoop.

The PAC12 Champ could still end up being a 2 loss Conference team, no?

Anyone see an upset outside of the game in bold?

In my own ratings, here's how the Pac-12 stacks up:

8. USC 7-1
9. Washington 6-2
10. Utah 6-2
13. Oregon 7-1
15. UCLA 7-1

(Oregon St. is unranked)

 

[Vitamike]

In my own ratings, here's how the Pac-12 stacks up:

8. USC 7-1
9. Washington 6-2
10. Utah 6-2
13. Oregon 7-1
15. UCLA 7-1

(Oregon St. is unranked)

So, this must be trigger bait for 'Bruin fan' with both Washington and Utah losing head-to-head to the Bruins AND with 1 more loss than the Bruins, but I'm guessing you already knew this...

Also, I think your UR Beavs may just give your No. 9 Dubbs everything they can handle in Seattle tomorrow night, but I'll be rooting for the Huskies so they may get back in the actual Top 25 once again. (Especially with a good showing)

 

[Vitamike]

IMHO, here is what is wrong with the PAC (and the rest of college football): the PAC has 5 teams in the top 25 but who have they played OOC?
2 P5 opponents (#2 UGa and #41 UF) and lost both. These 5 PAC teams have also played and beaten 8 G5 teams all below #50. They aren't alone.

If you take the top 30 teams in the Massey Composited Poll and omit Notre Dame (they skew the data badly which I will show later) that leave the "Top 29". These 29 teams play 96 OOC opponents but only 8 are opponent in the "Top 29".
That's really only 4 games: UGa vs Ore, Bama vs Texas, KSU vs Tulane, and LSU vs FSU. There just aren't enough meaningful OOC games anymore.

As for ND, they play 12 OOC games with 5 of those vs "Top 29". That means that ND plays more "Top 30" opponents than the other 29 teams do!

Including ND in the Top 30 means that they play 113 OOC opponents with 18 being against other "Top 30" teams.

Of course IF ND loses to Clemson (this week) and USC (the last week of the season) they will end up 7-5. ND is only ranked #24 and I doubt with 2 more losses that ND will still be in the top 30.

I know you put a lot of weight in ranked OOC opponents, however you can only play who is in front of you. And this year for UCLA is really the exception, I can't remember the last time the Bruins OOC did not have a marquee game in the slate.

With that however I'll put the Bruins current OOC opponents record, and even the Bruins Overall opponents record up against any current Ranked team out there.

OOC 15-9
OVR 23-19

Rutgers 5-4
Alabama St 5-3
South Alabama 5-2

Colorado 1-7
Washington 6-2
Utah 6-2
Oregon 7-1
Stanford 3-5

Two things that I put a lot of weight on besides OOC opponents are Away games and travel distance. The PAC travels more than any other conference and it impacts the challenge to run the table. We rarely see top of conference teams who travel any distance for their OOC games besides the PAC.

Look no further than the 4 games you listed.

Oregon vs UGA 2,611 mi.
Alabama @ Texas 770 mi
Tulane @ KSU 914 mi.
FSU vs LSU 385 mi.

And I'll add

Utah vs FL 2204 mi.

Of those 5 games, only Alabama and Tulane won.

With the PAC ranked team losses

Oregon traveled to Georgia 2611 mi.
USC traveled to Utah 693 mi.
UCLA traveled to Oregon 858 mi.
Utah traveled to Florida 2204 mi
Utah traveled to UCLA 693 mi
Wash traveled to UCLA 1137 mi
Wash traveled to AZ St 1423 mi
ORE St traveled to 637 mi

Only USC has beaten a ranked team on the road, staving off the Beavs by 3 points.

 

[Gator]

First, thanks for a civil response.

I know you put a lot of weight in ranked OOC opponents, however you can only play who is in front of you. And this year for UCLA is really the exception, I can't remember the last time the Bruins OOC did not have a marquee game in the slate.

With that however I'll put the Bruins current OOC opponents record, and even the Bruins Overall opponents record up against any current Ranked team out there.

OOC 15-9
OVR 23-19

Remember these are OOC games - YOU get to schedule them!!!!

Also, you seem to have gone into hyperbole. You are comparing playing 4-4 G5 Bowling Green (ranked #101 in FBS), 5-3 FCS team Alabama State (ranked #59 in FCS), and 6-2 G5 South Alabama (ranked #52 in FBS) against EVERYONE ELSE'S schedule? UCLA doesn't play a single P5 team OOC! The only four ranked schools that DON'T play a P5 opponent in OCC; they are UCLA, Oregon State, Michigan and North Carolina. Michigan plays 3 G5 teams while the other three play an FCS school also.

Oregon State's schedule is similar to UCLA's. They play 6-2 G5 Boise State (ranked #50 in FBS), 4-4 G5 Fresno State (ranked #77 in FBS), and 7-1 FCS Montana State (ranked #7 in FCS). That's 17-7 OOC which is better than UCLA's but like UCLA OSU schedule doesn't involve a single P5 team OOC.

How about Texas? Texas plays 2-6 G5 team Louisiana Monroe (ranked 119 in FBS), 7-1 P5 Alabama (ranked #4 in FBS), and 6-2 G5 Texas San Antonio (ranked # 51 in FBS). That's 15-9 with a P5 team and NO FCS teams.

Georgia plays 4 OOC teams: 7-1 P5 Oregon (ranked #8 in FBS), 7-1 FCS Samford (ranked # 9 in FCS), 3-5 G5 Kent State (ranked 105 in FBS), and 3-5 P5 Georgia Tech (ranked #88 in FBS). That's 20-12 (same %age as 15-9) but playing 2 P5 teams OOC.

Two things that I put a lot of weight on besides OOC opponents are Away games and travel distance. The PAC travels more than any other conference and it impacts the challenge to run the table. We rarely see top of conference teams who travel any distance for their OOC games besides the PAC.

Look no further than the 4 games you listed.

Oregon vs UGA 2,611 mi.
Alabama @ Texas 770 mi
Tulane @ KSU 914 mi.
FSU vs LSU 385 mi.

First, as for why "We rarely see top of conference teams who travel any distance for their OOC games besides the PAC." Two thirds of the US population is East of the Mississippi. What is the nearest OOC P5 team to LA? My Guess is Texas Tech which 1120 miles away. Compare that to Gainesville (UF) which is the SEC school that is farthest south and east (i.e. the farthest away from everybody else). Only the University of Miami is farther away. The distance between Gainesville and New York City is only 1009 miles! The distance between Gainesville and the University of Michigan is 1041 miles. The distance between Gainesville and the Northwestern University is 1062 miles. The distance between Gainesville and the University of Iowa is 1143 miles. The distance between Gainesville and the University of Oklahoma is 1165 miles. The distance between the Gainesville and Austin Texas is 1013 miles! Just within 550 miles of Gainesville are Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, NC, NC St., Wake Forest, and Duke.

Second, travel distance be damned! The flight time between Eugene and Atlanta is 4 Hr and 50 Min. The drive time between Gainesville (my town) and Miami is 5 Hr and 18 Min. The drive time between Gainesville and Atlanta is 5 Hr and 11 Min. The drive time between Tallahassee and New Orleans (FSU vs LSU) is 5 Hr and 43 Min.

Look no further than the 4 games you listed.

Oregon vs UGA 2,611 mi.
Alabama @ Texas 770 mi
Tulane @ KSU 914 mi.
FSU vs LSU 385 mi.

And I'll add

Utah vs FL 2204 mi.

Of those 5 games, only Alabama and Tulane won.

Umm, I believe that FSU beat LSU. That means that the only away teams to lose were the two PAC teams. Look I wasn't try to pick on the PAC. I said the problem is that there are too few quality OOC games in FBS. Part of the problem is that the PAC and B1G went to 9 in-conference games. As a result they have eased their OOC schedules. Everyone needs to play 8 in-conference, 2 P5 OOC (at least 1 of which is QUALITY), 1 G5 QUALITY OOC, and one of their choosing (another P5, another G5, ND, FCS, HBCU, whatever).

 

[RegentDenali]

Freaking 60 to 100mph winds in the mountains, flood warnings in multiple city rivers, and game delays from the winds and rain. But got to love these types of fall PAC12 games up here. Nice game by the Beavs. But Huskies get it done and should get back in the Top 25 at the end of this weekend. 7-2 on the season so far. WOOF!!!!

 

[WizardHawk]

With that, it's surprising to see this thread so dead considering all the Dawg posters on the Hoop.

I don't think you were here when things went bad a couple of years back. Between banning and VERY heavy over moderating they chased most of the former main college football posters off this site. There just isn't a focus on college sports at the top here anymore. Pro sports yeah and of course the large group of political junkies. College? Kind of dead here now and they just don't care.

Then you had that idiot Fred basically take over the Pac thread and all Pac related threads to the point where it wasn't even worth reading anymore, more or less trying to have a conversation here. I probably don't even look at this board more than once a month or so. If I'm over here it is for the NFL or the Mariners board and that's about it.

Hell, I've been asking the admins of this site for a year and a half to get the icon for the Kraken and still there isn't one. There is nearly no development on this site anymore.

 

[Vitamike]

I don't think you were here when things went bad a couple of years back. Between banning and VERY heavy over moderating they chased most of the former main college football posters off this site. There just isn't a focus on college sports at the top here anymore. Pro sports yeah and of course the large group of political junkies. College? Kind of dead here now and they just don't care.

Then you had that idiot Fred basically take over the Pac thread and all Pac related threads to the point where it wasn't even worth reading anymore, more or less trying to have a conversation here. I probably don't even look at this board more than once a month or so. If I'm over here it is for the NFL or the Mariners board and that's about it.

Hell, I've been asking the admins of this site for a year and a half to get the icon for the Kraken and still there isn't one. There is nearly no development on this site anymore.

I just ignore the moderation politics, but I was here.

Congrats on the huge win last night, I was pulling for you guys.

UCLA needs all the help they can get if they are to have a chance for a CFP spot, if they can represent as a 1 loss PAC Champ.

It's a long road to haul I know, but the stronger the path the better, and at this point, it's still all in front of them for now.

 

[Vitamike]

Also.... Wiz I am picking your Hawks tomorrow afternoon.

I can't believe they are road dogs to the Cards.

Pete has your Hawks playing very well once again.

 

[wazzu31]

How does that make NIL bad?

A. I disagree with it. B. It blows for fans like us and Texas A&M. Cool for the kids but blows when alumni blow money on kids that haven’t earned it. Which is the one positive with Wazzu’s entering our toe in the field is the alumni “go fund me” is focusing on guys who have earned, but that also doesn’t do shit for recruiting.

 

[wazzu31]

But damn, look what happens when you decide to run the ball, you hang 50 on the Trees and are about to get the 2nd coach fired.