PAC 12 Thread v6.0

[Olyduck]

Maybe the last 15 years have been. But I've been watching since John Robinsons first year and Oregon in my mind has been really good for any good length of time once. But I guess you are technically correct it's been a rotation more so than in some conferences.

Again you are too focused on Oregon since I am an Oregon fan and yes the original post started talking about oregon. but i am talking about the conference as a whole being why i dont think you can count Oregon out from ever having success again.
and I would say 2x you discount the 99-01 but they were #2 and were shafted in not having a chance to play for the title.

 

[socaljim242]

Again you are too focused on Oregon since I am an Oregon fan and yes the original post started talking about oregon. but i am talking about the conference as a whole being why i dont think you can count Oregon out from ever having success again.
and I would say 2x you discount the 99-01 but they were #2 and were shafted in not having a chance to play for the title.

Sorry but in the time I've been watching USC football it wasn't till 2000ish that oregon was even on the radar and looking at the history of Oregon ( and it's lack of titles and rose bowl wins) it was pretty much the first time they were in the national picture for a decent amount of time. I realize the 2000s was the dawn of football for a lot of Oregon fans but it wasn't for college football.

 

[Olyduck]

Sorry but in the time I've been watching USC football it wasn't till 2000ish that oregon was even on the radar and looking at the history of Oregon ( and it's lack of titles and rose bowl wins) it was pretty much the first time they were in the national picture for a decent amount of time. I realize the 2000s was the dawn of football for a lot of Oregon fans but it wasn't for college football.

It was the 80s for me. since thats when i was born and all.

 

[socaljim242]

It was the 80s for me. since thats when i was born and all.

This season will be interesting. Oregon probably has the best QB in the conference but the polls think Washington is going to win the north with Stanford a close second.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

Ranking 2018 Pac-12 schedules from Herm Edwards' rude welcome to UCLA's nasty November

12. Arizona
Noncon lineup: vs. Brigham Young, at Houston, vs. Southern Utah
Conference misses: Washington and Stanford
Toughest stretch: Road back-to-backs against Utah (on a short week) and UCLA.
Soft spot: The November lineups features, two home games, one bye and one roadtrip (Pullman). If the Wildcats somehow have a hold on first place when the month begins, they’ll be tough to overtake.
Comment: No Washington, no Stanford, plus USC and Arizona State at home: Kevin Sumlin didn’t just inherit a good quarterback.

11. Oregon
Noncon lineup: vs. Bowling Green, vs. Portland State, vs. San Jose State
Conference misses: USC and Colorado
Toughest stretch: The mid-Oct. duel with the Huskies is followed by trips to Pullman (trap game with WSU off a bye) and Tucson (just damn difficult).
Soft spot: The first three weeks.
Comment: The soft non-conference schedule stems from Texas A&M backing out of a series with the Ducks. Combine the noncon cupcakes with the USC miss and a bye before Washington, and the schedule sets up nicely for a run at the division.

10. Washington State
Noncon lineup: at Wyoming, vs. San Jose State, vs. Eastern Washington
Conference misses: UCLA and Arizona State
Toughest stretch: A Friday night roadie against USC — payback — followed by a visit from Utah form a difficult finish to the first half.
Soft spot: The start, with those three highly-winnable noncons.
Comment: The Cougars got treated right in that they avoid back-to-back road games. With seven at home and the manageable noncon lineup, the schedule is ideal for a team in rebuild mode.

9. Colorado
Noncon lineup: vs. Colorado State (Denver), at Nebraska, vs. New Hampshire
Conference misses: Oregon and Stanford
Toughest stretch: The Buffs visit USC and Washington back-to-back in early October. The trojans will be coming off a bye, and the Huskies will be glad to be home.
Soft spot: Once CU returns from Lincoln in early Sept., it won’t leave town again for more than a month thanks to a bye and three consecutive home games
Comment: Interesting extremes for CU, which has arguably the toughest back-to-back assignment in the conference (USC and UW on the road) but also is one of the greatest beneficiaries of the conference rotation.

8. Cal
Noncon lineup: vs. North Carolina, at Brigham Young, vs. Idaho State
Conference misses: Arizona State and Utah
Toughest stretch: The mid-October turn brings a difficult four-game run with Washington, Washington State (road), USC (road) and Stanford.
Soft spot: The noncon lineup is anything but daunting and culminates with a Week Four bye.
Comment: The even-year division schedule is always home-friendly for the Bears, who welcome Washington, Oregon and Stanford to Berkeley.

7. Washington
Noncon lineup: vs. Auburn (Atlanta), vs. North Dakota, vs. Brigham Young
Conference misses: USC and Arizona
Toughest stretch: Week One seems fairly challenging, but we addressed the most difficult portion above.
Soft spot: The stretch run. After a visit from Stanford on Nov. 3, the Huskies finish with a bye, Oregon State and the Apple Cup against their favorite punching bag.
Comment: Considered slotting UW’s schedule in the top five due to Auburn and the Eugene assignment, but it’s otherwise manageable. The Huskies are missing two of the right teams to miss in the South.

6. USC
Noncon lineup: vs. UNLV, at Texas, vs. Notre Dame
Conference misses: Washington and Oregon
Toughest stretch: The September lineup is rugged with trips to Stanford and Texas (back-to-back) and then to Arizona.
Soft spot: November is just mildly challenging with Oregon State, Cal and UCLA.
Comment: Missing the Huskies and Ducks is a huge advantage for the Trojans in the division race. That said, no other team faces two Power Five non-conference opponents, and both the Irish and Longhorns are loaded with returning starters.

5. Stanford
Noncon lineup: vs. San Diego State, vs. UC Davis, at Notre Dame
Conference misses: Arizona and Colorado
Toughest stretch: The daunting September lineup features SDSU and USC at home — the Aztecs have won 22 games the past two seasons — and Notre Dame and Oregon on the road.
Soft spot: Blink and you’ll miss it: The Cardinal gets WSU at home with extra time to prepare.
Comment: The even-year schedule is always demanding with trips to Seattle, Eugene, Berkeley, Pasadena and South Bend. Only twice in seven years under David Shaw has the Cardinal been worse than 7-2 in conference play, and both instances came in even years (’14 and ’16).

4. Utah
Noncon lineup: vs. Weber State, at Northern Illinois, vs. Brigham Young
Conference misses: Oregon State and Cal
Toughest stretch: October begins and ends with back-to-back roadies, features two Friday nighters and includes Stanford and USC.
Soft spot: Weber State. (That’s it, folks.)
Comment: As was the case in ’17, the cross-division rotation works against the Utes. Because of the returning personnel, they’re understandably viewed as a sleeper pick for the division. That status becomes a tad more difficult to justify when the schedule gets added to the equation.

3. Oregon State
Noncon lineup: at Ohio State, vs. Southern Utah, at Nevada
Conference misses: UCLA and Utah
Toughest stretch: Three hours on Saturday, Sept. 1.
Soft spot: The Beavers host WSU and Cal in October, with a bye in between.
Comment: Brutal as the Week One assignment might be, the Beavers have a November that approaches ridiculous. In succession, they face USC, Stanford (road), Washington (road) and Oregon — quite possibly the four best teams in the conference. The combination of start and finish is the reason for OSU’s placement.

2. UCLA
Noncon lineup: vs. Cincinnati, at Oklahoma, vs. Fresno State
Conference misses: Washington State and Oregon State
Toughest stretch: November starts with trips to Eugene and Tempe and ends with USC and Stanford at home. Good luck with that.
Soft spot: The bye week.
Comment: The Bruins are missing the North teams they would prefer to play, have a trap game with Fresno State and get their bye a few weeks too early (9/22). When I consider the challenges within UCLA’s schedule, the trip to Norman isn’t even in the top three.

1. Arizona State
Noncon lineup: vs. UTSA, vs, Michigan State, at San Diego State
Conference misses: Cal and Washington State
Toughest stretch: September is brutal with back-to-back-to-backs against Michigan State, San Diego State (road) and Washington (road).
Soft spot: Starting in late September, the Devils face Oregon State (home), then Colorado (road), then have a bye.
Comment: I picked the September triple-whammy as the toughest stretch, but the final six weeks are unforgiving, too. In every regard, the schedule staring back at Herm Edwards is the antithesis of what awaits Kevin Sumlin.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

 

[AlaskaGuy]

Mike Leach tagged along on a government trip to Cambodia - FootballScoop

 

[AlaskaGuy]

CBS Sports ranks Chris Petersen as best football coach in Pac-12

 

[socaljim242]

CBS Sports ranks Chris Petersen as best football coach in Pac-12

Hmmmm David Shaw is 5-2 vrs Washington and three conference titles. Petersen has one conference title. The same as Clay Helton.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

Hmmmm David Shaw is 5-2 vrs Washington and three conference titles. Petersen has one conference title. The same as Clay Helton.

Ya but they aren't Chris Petersen .... the man who does the most with the least.

 

[socaljim242]

Ya but they aren't Chris Petersen .... the man who does the most with the least.

Shaw does pretty good with what he gets.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

 

[AlaskaGuy]

Top Pac-12 players returning from injury in 2018: Washington to get back a number of contributors

Trey Adams Sr. T Washington - Adams was on pace to be a top five pick in the 2018 NFL Draft before he injured his knee last October. He might not be ready for the first few weeks, but he will be an All-American candidate once he’s ready as a 6’8 330-pound left tackle with NFL athleticism.

Marquise Blair Sr. S Utah - The Utes lost the big-hitting Blair down the stretch in 2017 and their secondary took a hit. Getting him back healthy will help bolster a Ute DB group that should be one of the best in the conference.

Xavier Crawford Jr. CB Oregon State - Crawford looked like he was ready to turn into a star as a freshman as a 6’1 195 force at corner, but got hurt in September of last year and never came back. He might be the best player on the Beaver roster, if healthy, in 2018.

Porter Gustin Sr. DE USC - Gustin is a major NFL talent with crazy edge rushing ability for a 6’5 265 guy who is versatile enough to play OLB. He had three sacks in the first three games of the season last year before basically being shut down. He should easily crack double digits if he plays a full season in 2018 and might be the conference’s best pass rusher.

Justin Herbert Jr. QB Oregon - The Ducks were an offensive mess without Herbert in 2017 and a good team when he was healthy. He has the potential to be the best QB in the conference if healthy in 2018 and his presence makes the Ducks a darkhorse conference title contender. He has that much potential.

Alijah Holder Sr. CB Stanford - The 6’2 Holder has All-Pac-12 potential, but has trouble staying healthy. He could be a shutdown #1 CB for the Cardinal if he stays on the field in 2018.

Chico McClatcher Jr. WR Washington - Washington’s passing game suffered when their number two receiver went down early last year. He’s a speedy deep threat that is also dangerous on fly sweeps.

Jordan Miller Sr. CB Washington - Another tall cornerback with major NFL potential, Miller forms a scary duo with the next guy on this list. He got taken out in the same game as Adams and the Husky pass defense never recovered. Their secondary should be lights out if he’s back.

Byron Murphy So. CB Washington - Murphy came back late in the season, but missed a big chunk of 2017. He has the makings of the next Husky cornerback to go very high in the draft if he stays on the field.

Peyton Pelleur Sr. LB Washington State - The Cougars lost their best defensive player right out the gate last year, but get him back on a medical redshirt. He’s a big linebacker who doesn’t miss tackles that should be a senior leader for their defense.

Demetris Robertson So. WR Cal - Robertson quietly had 50 catches for 700 plus yards and seven TDs in 2016, but missed almost all of 2017. He is poised to turn into one of the Pac-12’s best receivers in 2018.

Caleb Wilson Jr. TE UCLA - Wilson was on a record-breaking tight end stat pace before he got hurt in 2017. He has first round NFL Draft potential and All-American capabilities as a pass-catching specialist tight end.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

TheDawgReport.com - Pac-12 Analyst Yogi Roth Says Washington Still The Best in the Pac-12 North

 

[mrwallace2ku]

3. Oregon State
Noncon lineup: at Ohio State, vs. Southern Utah, at Nevada
Conference misses: UCLA and Utah
Toughest stretch: Three hours on Saturday, Sept. 1.
Soft spot: The Beavers host WSU and Cal in October, with a bye in between.
Comment: Brutal as the Week One assignment might be, the Beavers have a November that approaches ridiculous. In succession, they face USC, Stanford (road), Washington (road) and Oregon — quite possibly the four best teams in the conference.

 

[DHoey]

Top Pac-12 players returning from injury in 2018: Washington to get back a number of contributors

Trey Adams Sr. T Washington - Adams was on pace to be a top five pick in the 2018 NFL Draft before he injured his knee last October. He might not be ready for the first few weeks, but he will be an All-American candidate once he’s ready as a 6’8 330-pound left tackle with NFL athleticism.

Marquise Blair Sr. S Utah - The Utes lost the big-hitting Blair down the stretch in 2017 and their secondary took a hit. Getting him back healthy will help bolster a Ute DB group that should be one of the best in the conference.

Xavier Crawford Jr. CB Oregon State - Crawford looked like he was ready to turn into a star as a freshman as a 6’1 195 force at corner, but got hurt in September of last year and never came back. He might be the best player on the Beaver roster, if healthy, in 2018.

Porter Gustin Sr. DE USC - Gustin is a major NFL talent with crazy edge rushing ability for a 6’5 265 guy who is versatile enough to play OLB. He had three sacks in the first three games of the season last year before basically being shut down. He should easily crack double digits if he plays a full season in 2018 and might be the conference’s best pass rusher.

Justin Herbert Jr. QB Oregon - The Ducks were an offensive mess without Herbert in 2017 and a good team when he was healthy. He has the potential to be the best QB in the conference if healthy in 2018 and his presence makes the Ducks a darkhorse conference title contender. He has that much potential.

Alijah Holder Sr. CB Stanford - The 6’2 Holder has All-Pac-12 potential, but has trouble staying healthy. He could be a shutdown #1 CB for the Cardinal if he stays on the field in 2018.

Chico McClatcher Jr. WR Washington - Washington’s passing game suffered when their number two receiver went down early last year. He’s a speedy deep threat that is also dangerous on fly sweeps.

Jordan Miller Sr. CB Washington - Another tall cornerback with major NFL potential, Miller forms a scary duo with the next guy on this list. He got taken out in the same game as Adams and the Husky pass defense never recovered. Their secondary should be lights out if he’s back.

Byron Murphy So. CB Washington - Murphy came back late in the season, but missed a big chunk of 2017. He has the makings of the next Husky cornerback to go very high in the draft if he stays on the field.

Peyton Pelleur Sr. LB Washington State - The Cougars lost their best defensive player right out the gate last year, but get him back on a medical redshirt. He’s a big linebacker who doesn’t miss tackles that should be a senior leader for their defense.

Demetris Robertson So. WR Cal - Robertson quietly had 50 catches for 700 plus yards and seven TDs in 2016, but missed almost all of 2017. He is poised to turn into one of the Pac-12’s best receivers in 2018.

Caleb Wilson Jr. TE UCLA - Wilson was on a record-breaking tight end stat pace before he got hurt in 2017. He has first round NFL Draft potential and All-American capabilities as a pass-catching specialist tight end.

You could add hunter Bryant to that list. The amount of talent that got hurt last year was insane.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

You could add hunter Bryant to that list. The amount of talent that got hurt last year was insane.

If Washington stays healthy this year the sky is the limit ... that and hopefully Hamdan is a fvk lot better than that truck Smith at calling plays for the offense.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

TheDawgReport.com - Pac-12 Analyst Yogi Roth Says Washington Still The Best in the Pac-12 North

This post was a fvk up. 2017 ... I had the wrong tab open. duh

 

[WizardHawk]

Shaw does pretty good with what he gets.

Shaw is a hell of a football HC and he deserves every bit of the praise he does get for being so consistent despite having a smaller pool of recruits to draw from with those academic requirements.

Petersen also took over a program that wasn't national stage worthy and took them to the college football playoffs before the roster had been turned over with his own kids even. Pretty sure it's like Obama getting the Nobel prize. It's based off very early returns that seem promising even if the long term record isn't there yet. I mean dawg fans hope Petersen's praise turns out a whole lot better than Obama's for sure lol.

Which of the two is really a better coach? Kind of a pointless question IMO. They are both outstanding at what they have been doing. They both have their vision and know how to execute it and both have won at a high level doing what they do.

 

[socaljim242]

Shaw is a hell of a football HC and he deserves every bit of the praise he does get for being so consistent despite having a smaller pool of recruits to draw from with those academic requirements.

Petersen also took over a program that wasn't national stage worthy and took them to the college football playoffs before the roster had been turned over with his own kids even. Pretty sure it's like Obama getting the Nobel prize. It's based off very early returns that seem promising even if the long term record isn't there yet. I mean dawg fans hope Petersen's praise turns out a whole lot better than Obama's for sure lol.

Which of the two is really a better coach? Kind of a pointless question IMO. They are both outstanding at what they have been doing. They both have their vision and know how to execute it and both have won at a high level doing what they do.

I respect the hell out of Shaw. He could have bolted for the NFL if he wanted to by now. Harbaugh jumped as soon as he could. The more I see Harbaugh at Michigan the more I think Shaw had a hand in what Stanford has become than people give him credit for.
Petersen (hey I learned to spell his name right) is obviously a good coach and has done a great job of bringing Washington back up to national prominence. Hopefully for you guys he's not a west coast version of Brian Kelly at ND who took them to the NCG in 2012 and has never gotten close again.