One last thought on the Giants game.

[iknowftbll]

I was so disgusted by the Broncos performance the other night that I just now got around to looking at the box score. It only amplified my frustration. Can anyone explain why the 3rd ranked rushing offense would attempt only 17 rushes against the 29th ranked run defense?

Even before the game got out of hand it seemed the Broncos we’re trying to force the pass game. I just don’t understand that. Wins matter more than stats. We’re they trying to prove something? Take advantage of DRC’s absence? If so that’s a load of BS. You play your strong game and that’s the run for the Broncos.

I like Siemian. I’m not a doomsday pessimist with him like some fans are. But I’m also a realist and don’t think he’s the type of guy who can shoulder a team and win one on his own. He’s a rhythm passer who can be dangerous if he gets hot. But mostly he’s an adequate guy who is most likely to thrive when the run game is clicking. I’d have traded 200 of his passing yards for another 150 on the ground, which I believe would have entirely changed this outcome.

Since I know Mike McCoy is reading this, and with all due respect to his football knowledge surely being far greater than mine: stick to what you’re good at! Run the ball!

 

[Draft Crazy]

Fell behind early, had to pass and couldn't run when we did try to run.

So a bad bad bad game. Really irritating and I felt it really gave me this bad taste in my mouth that we are in for a long season.

Soon the D is going to be pointing fingers at the O and it is gonna get ugly. Chris Harris already did in a way (a respectful way) but it's a matter of time before things may boil over IMO..

This offense is just UGLY!

 

[iknowftbll]

^ our run game often starts out slow. I felt they they abandoned it too quickly. Especially since it’s the strongest part of this offense. I hope they bring a better game plan this week.

 

[Draft Crazy]

The only thing that seemed to work on Sunday was DT.

I thought Justin Simmons played pretty well too at least against the run.

 

[CEH]

I was so disgusted by the Broncos performance the other night that I just now got around to looking at the box score. It only amplified my frustration. Can anyone explain why the 3rd ranked rushing offense would attempt only 17 rushes against the 29th ranked run defense?

Even before the game got out of hand it seemed the Broncos we’re trying to force the pass game. I just don’t understand that. Wins matter more than stats. We’re they trying to prove something? Take advantage of DRC’s absence? If so that’s a load of BS. You play your strong game and that’s the run for the Broncos.

I like Siemian. I’m not a doomsday pessimist with him like some fans are. But I’m also a realist and don’t think he’s the type of guy who can shoulder a team and win one on his own. He’s a rhythm passer who can be dangerous if he gets hot. But mostly he’s an adequate guy who is most likely to thrive when the run game is clicking. I’d have traded 200 of his passing yards for another 150 on the ground, which I believe would have entirely changed this outcome.

Since I know Mike McCoy is reading this, and with all due respect to his football knowledge surely being far greater than mine: stick to what you’re good at! Run the ball!

I agree.

VJ said after the game their offensive identify for winning football is running the ball yet in BUF and NYG they want to throw the ball 40 times. Only a few QBs in this league can win throwing 40 times. Brady and Rodgers two HOF QBs.

The D has all the big money so they need to keep the game close. The problem now is McManus who has been their offense the last 2 years is no longer the offense and the offensive red zone issues are the real issue.

CJ needs to run over a CB for one yard or line Jano up at TB and have him run for 1 yard.

Siemian missed two simple throws (and one bad pick 6) that could have kept the game close. The boot to Derby at the 15 yard line and the screen to Charles. Both those throws need to be made even if your QB is Hoyer and the bench he carries with him from team to team.

Then on 3rd and 4 at the 20 , in cover zero , Siemain decides to throw a 50/50 ball to Booker on a slugo instead of a 50/50 ball to DT or Sanders.

I don't think Siemian is just not finding the correct receiver on most plays.

 

[randymon]

Have to agree with ikf 100%. Denver had plenty of time to get running game going. They gave up too soon. Don't know what game plan going in was, but if I had to guess it was......Be very over confident despite your history for being heavy favorite in primetime games and letting backup rbs run for 200 yds or backup Qb throw 4 tds, etc. I'm on record for bitching about Denver coming out flat and under influence of valium in big primetime games since I came here. Some might recollect. It's baffling. Whether it's coaching,players, lack of memory or what, or just a friggin curse, I give up. This looks to be a crazy NFL season though so far so anything is possible for PO spot for Denver IF IF IF, they establish the run game. If not, TS and Broncos are toast this year. Too bad to because looks like if one team can get it together, they'll have good momentum going for SB berth.

 

[listopencil]

Their D was eating our O-Line for lunch. That's why. They got their asses kicked on just about every play. If you want them to have better starts then lobby for the coaching staff to start with Barbre at LG instead of Garcia every game. Barbre isn't great, but Garcia is horrible. Put the best 5 guys out there and work with it.

 

[iknowftbll]

Their D was eating our O-Line for lunch. That's why. They got their asses kicked on just about every play. If you want them to have better starts then lobby for the coaching staff to start with Barbre at LG instead of Garcia every game. Barbre isn't great, but Garcia is horrible. Put the best 5 guys out there and work with it.

Our run game has started out slowly just about every game. This one was no worse. And at halftime the game was 17-0. That’s not exactly out of reach.

 

[Orange Crush77]

Im done with Trevor Siemian. He's ok when things are going great, but he folds when he needs to be the guy. His decision making is suspect at best, and he constantly makes the wrong read. Really, what is there to even ponder? We would've been better off signing Cutler, or Fitzpatrick for crissakes. We need to see if we have a qb on this roster. I have my doubts. And if that means we suck instead of being middle of the pack non playoff team, so be it. That team that played Sunday night sucks. And it starts with Siemian

 

[Draft Crazy]

Yeah I don't get people still making excuse for Siemian.

Our run game was terrible, but our lack of run game also doesn't explain terrible decision making by Siemian. That is on him. There is no excuse for that.

Reports are Osweiler is getting more involved in practice this week. Buckle up!

 

[MileHigh64]

Our run game has started out slowly just about every game. This one was no worse. And at halftime the game was 17-0. That’s not exactly out of reach.

VJ was asked today in the presser if they abandoned the run too early. His response was no. He said that they were balanced until they fell behind by two or three scores. At that point, they needed to go to the passing game, according to Joseph. I get all that but I think his facts are a little skewed. The started out passing and never seemed to give the running game a chance.

Siemian stunk things up, as has been fully documented on these boards. The Broncos must get the running game going. I also think that continuing to leave Jamaal Charles on the shelf a bit is a waste at this point. Get him into open space and watch the Broncos soar. It's time to rip that band aid off!

 

[Duffman]

Kind of hard to establish a running game when your QB is always wasting a down throwing into triple coverage.

 

[Draft Crazy]

VJ was asked today in the presser if they abandoned the run too early. His response was no. He said that they were balanced until they fell behind by two or three scores. At that point, they needed to go to the passing game, according to Joseph. I get all that but I think his facts are a little skewed. The started out passing and never seemed to give the running game a chance.

Siemian stunk things up, as has been fully documented on these boards. The Broncos must get the running game going. I also think that continuing to leave Jamaal Charles on the shelf a bit is a waste at this point. Get him into open space and watch the Broncos soar. It's time to rip that band aid off!

I would agree with this.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Kind of hard to establish a running game when your QB is always wasting a down throwing into triple coverage.

and this. Siemian's bonehead throws prevented us from running while we were playing catch up.

 

[CEH]

They ran 33 plays with the score 10-3 up until Trevor's bonehead INT with 1:01 left. Anyone care to guess the pass /run ratio?

 

[Draft Crazy]

People need to stop making every excuse in the book for why Siemian fails. No run game excuses throwing passes that you are taught in 7th grade not to make.

 

[iknowftbll]

People need to stop making every excuse in the book for why Siemian fails. No run game excuses throwing passes that you are taught in 7th grade not to make.

The purpose of this thread is not to make excuses for the QB. In fact, the purpose here is to question why, when we know the QB is not the strong pet of the offense, would the Broncos abandon the run so early in the game before it got out of hand? Esp against a bottom tier run defense?

 

[Draft Crazy]

The purpose of this thread is not to make excuses for the QB. In fact, the purpose here is to question why, when we know the QB is not the strong pet of the offense, would the Broncos abandon the run so early in the game before it got out of hand? Esp against a bottom tier run defense?

Wasn't referring to this thread inparticular. Don't take it personal.

 

[cdumler7]

The last 3 games teams have had the exact same game plan. Pretty much stick 10 of the players near the LOS and dare the Broncos to beat them deep. Or more in particular Siemian beat them deep. Just listen to the Giants players after the game with how they knew exactly what Siemian would do on most plays. So by sticking 10 guys up near the LOS that makes the run game that much more difficult.

Also something else is that Siemian has also been changing the plays at the LOS. The Broncos have had a lot more run plays called. Most of the plays that Siemian has changed the playcall it was originally a run play called that he changed to a pass. Now this makes some sense in if teams are loading up the box and leaving guys like Sanders and DT in single coverage that you should trust your Pro Bowl WR's. Siemian's lack of being able to actually get the ball to them though has made it where that mindset just doesn't work. Again teams have worked to stop the run and dare Siemian to throw deep. They flood the short zone areas with players to make him hold onto the ball a bit longer. Just look at the pass that was jumped by Jenkins. He had told his coach that Siemian would run that exact play and would make that pass. They told Jenkins to just sit on that route and jump it.

Just go back and watch the game if you have the All-22. WR's are running open down the field. Siemian is just missing them. Heck the screen pass out to Charles in the 3rd quarter. THere was not a single defender on that side of the field. If that pass gets to him because the Giants had sold out to get pressure on Siemian he is gone for a TD and the Broncos are back in the game. Instead the pass one hops to Charles.

 

[cdumler7]

Landon Collins talked about this very play. Said he just watched the eyes of Siemian and knew exactly where he was going to go with the football to get the interception. Jamaal Charles again on this play out into the flat is an easy completion that picks up a big 3rd down play. Nobody went with him. Instead throws into triple coverage.

The run game to me is not working because defenses just do not respect Siemian.