O.T. Oil

[sabre0917]

Is anyone else getting a little annoyed about the oil spill? Like why the hell would you design something so stupid if you can't fix it. It's 101 Engineering.

 

[SuperFlyer13]

Is anyone else getting a little annoyed about the oil spill? Like why the hell would you design something so stupid if you can't fix it. It's 101 Engineering.

It is 101 engineering, the problem they are having is that the leak is so deep and unfortunately all of the fail safe systems they had in place failed. Hope they get it capped soon but it looks like it may be awhile.

 

[TOX1]

This whole deal is fucked up. Accidents happen and I agree, not having a viable emergency plan to act on these situations is embarrassing and unsettling.

In 75 the CIA and Howard Hughes used (basically) a giant crane in an attempt to bring up a Soviet submarine. Why the thought effort can be there to steal nuke weapons and not to save millions of gallons of toxic oil from continuing to spill out is beyond comprehension to me.

 

[dash]

I really feel for all the people whose livelihoods have been drastically impacted by this man made disaster. To think that they won't have anything ready to resolve this situation until August and there's no guarantee that it will work is quite mind boggling.

 

[puckhead]

I wonder if hurricane season is going to spread that shit all over the south east.
scary stuff, especially with no end in sight.

 

[forty_three]

It is 101 engineering, the problem they are having is that the leak is so deep and unfortunately all of the fail safe systems they had in place failed. Hope they get it capped soon but it looks like it may be awhile.

Heard a discussion this morning on the radio, and while what you say is technically true, it isn't complete.

If you want to drill off the coast in most European countries, you need to drill the relief well at the time you drill the primary as a failsafe. The oil companies complained and were told that it was okay, and they would not be granted the right to drill. Wonder of wonders, no oil company walked away. They paid to start it the safe way.

Here, someone suggested the same thing. The Oil companies complained and President Bush the 1st vetoed the bill saying it was "unneccessary".

Yeah. Unneccesary. At the earliest, we're going to have two months before the relief well is done. And NO OTHER rig in the gulf has the failsafe in place. A relief well is the only proven way to release pressure in the event of failure.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

good time to buy BP stock yet?

 

[sabre0917]

I wonder if hurricane season is going to spread that shit all over the south east.
scary stuff, especially with no end in sight.

If a Hurricane moves to the west of the spill it will move inland even more but if it goes east of the spill it will move back out to sea. Also it could help the effect to turn up the water breaking away the oil into smaller particules. I don't know it could be bad and good at the same time, but i have never heard of a Hurricane being good.

 

[puckhead]

good time to buy BP stock yet?

they just confirmed their dividend in an effort to stop the bleeding (as it were).

 

[Comeds]

Here, someone suggested the same thing. The Oil companies complained and President Bush the 1st vetoed the bill saying it was "unneccessary".
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What are you posting about? Its Obama's fault. He isn't doing enough to to stop it.
Or from one congressman, Obama's harsh words about BP's failures are "un-American".

lol, I can find many issues where I think Obama can be faulted, I just dont think this is one of them.

Taking into account all of the problems this will and has caused, from the loss of the delicate marshlands and wildlife, to the loss of jobs in that area; if it were up to me, I may never allow a new offshore drill again.

Ha, and some still want to drill in Alaska.....

 

[puckhead]

Ha, and some still want to drill in Alaska.....

at least if you fuck up there, you'd mostly be damaging Canada or Russia.
hey, wait a sec....

 

[dash]

What are you posting about? Its Obama's fault. He isn't doing enough to to stop it.
Or from one congressman, Obama's harsh words about BP's failures are "un-American".

How does that dirty Alberta oil look today, Barack? I'm just asking.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

Ha, and some still want to drill in Alaska.....

heres whats going down in our neck of the woods ... big pr push for Enbridge, with big full page spreads in papers telling us all how safe their tankers are with lovely pictures of a dissected tanker showing the glories of the double hull Enbridge Northern Gateway Pipelines Ads in Vancouver, BC - Compare Prices and Save Money in Vancouver, BC



Enbridge filed its environmental application for the Northern Gateway oil pipeline Thursday and immediately ran afoul of opponents of the proposed $5.5-billion project.

Enbridge envisions a 1,172-kilometre twin pipeline system running between Edmonton and the British Columbia coastal town of Kitimat, as well as a tank terminal and marine shipping terminal in support of crude oil shipments from the Alberta oilsands.

The company issued a news release to announce it has filed with the National Energy Board an eight-volume application that provides "a comprehensive overview of the proposed project and its benefits."

"We take pride in our long-standing reputation as a safe pipeline operator and socially responsible company," Enbridge president Patrick Daniel said in the release, adding that the project "will be a model of world-class safety and environmental standards."

The company estimates economic benefits to include 62,700 person-years of construction employment, 1,150 long-term jobs and $2.6 billion in tax revenue.

One of the pipes would carry 525,000 barrels of crude oil per day from Edmonton to tankers at Kitimat while the other would carry 193,000 barrels of condensate per day from Kitimat to Edmonton for use in processing oilsands crude.

"Eighty per cent of British Columbians do not want crude oil tanker traffic in their coastal waters," Nikke Skuce of ForestEthics in Smithers said in an e-mail.

"[U. S. President] Barack Obama is announcing the cancellation of many offshore drilling projects today. The Gulf [oil] spill is a turning point for all risky oil development projects. Enbridge's proposal is the way of the past, not the way of the future."

Dogwood Initiative questioned Enbridge's motives for attempting to advance the project in the face of overwhelming opposition by B.C. first nations, which must be consulted about any resource-related activities on their traditional territories.

Dogwood said in a news release that a decision in favour of the project "is virtually guaranteed to be challenged in the courts.

"We cannot imagine a scenario where Enbridge, or any proponent, is able to overcome the political forces against a new West Coast pipeline."

Stephanie Goodwin, Greenpeace BC director, said the federal review is "inadequate" to encompass the range of issues arising from Enbridge's proposal -- including "the issue of oil tanker traffic on the coast."



Read more: Enbridge moves ahead with $5.5-billion pipeline

 

[forty_three]

What are you posting about? Its Obama's fault. He isn't doing enough to to stop it.
Or from one congressman, Obama's harsh words about BP's failures are "un-American".

Bah. What's more American than criticising the British?

 

[sabre0917]

Bah. What's more American than criticising the British?

Making fun of Canadians/Mexicans and have never met them?

 

[Comeds]

Making fun of Canadians/Mexicans and have never met them?

I agree those are silly pursuits, but I doubt there are many areas of the country where one wouldnt at least be around some Canadians or Mexicans.

And the US hardly has a monopoly on xenophobia or nationalism.

 

[BOSSMANPC]

Ha, and some still want to drill in Alaska.....[/QUOTE]

Actually it would be much safer. A disaster like this at ground level is easier to contain. The environmentalist are the ones that wanted the oil rigs many mile's off shore. Sounds good but if you have a problem in 5000 feet of water it's much harder to correct it.

There is plenty of blame to go around in this disaster and hopefully they can get the damn thing fixed before the hurricanes start.

There have heen incidents in the Persian gulf and the first reaction was to get oil and water sucking tankers there to contain the spill before it spreads.

Unfortunately the government wanted to put on a show by having BP executives in front of congress to answer questions about what went wrong and who is to blame while the oil is gushing into the gulf.

When there is a major suspicious fire you send out the fire trucks and put out the fire before sending out the arson investigators.

Too much blame and finger pointing and not enough reaction to the disaster has been a problem IMO.

It's a sad situation for sure.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

Ha, and some still want to drill in Alaska.....

Actually it would be much safer. A disaster like this at ground level is easier to contain. The environmentalist are the ones that wanted the oil rigs many mile's off shore. Sounds good but if you have a problem in 5000 feet of water it's much harder to correct it.

There is plenty of blame to go around in this disaster and hopefully they can get the damn thing fixed before the hurricanes start.

There have heen incidents in the Persian gulf and the first reaction was to get oil and water sucking tankers there to contain the spill before it spreads.

Unfortunately the government wanted to put on a show by having BP executives in front of congress to answer questions about what went wrong and who is to blame while the oil is gushing into the gulf.

When there is a major suspicious fire you send out the fire trucks and put out the fire before sending out the arson investigators.

Too much blame and finger pointing and not enough reaction to the disaster has been a problem IMO.

It's a sad situation for sure.

I think they want to drill offshore in Alaska too ... its what they want to do in BC ... moratorium on that here

 

[Comeds]

Boss, I am sure it is much safer to drill on solid ground than it is in the deep formerly blue sea. However there are still effects and damage to the areas on land.

My point really was that after years of trying to say how safe drilling and how pristine places like the Alaskan wilderness would be safe, we are in the middle of an unmitigated disaster right now. So after this and the response given by BP, would you trust an oil company to not damage the Alaskan wilderness?

BP is a big company, I am sure they could have had other efforts going while some of their board members answered "I dont know" in front of congress. I dont believe that cost them any time at all.

 

[BOSSMANPC]

Boss, I am sure it is much safer to drill on solid ground than it is in the deep formerly blue sea. However there are still effects and damage to the areas on land.

My point really was that after years of trying to say how safe drilling and how pristine places like the Alaskan wilderness would be safe, we are in the middle of an unmitigated disaster right now. So after this and the response given by BP, would you trust an oil company to not damage the Alaskan wilderness?

BP is a big company, I am sure they could have had other efforts going while some of their board members answered "I dont know" in front of congress. I dont believe that cost them any time at all.

comeds I agree this has been a mess. I was just saying there is blame to be shared by all and we should worry about that when they get this messed fixed.

I'm not defending BP at all and let's hope we learn from this to prevent it in the future.