NFL Storyline: McVay vs. K.Shanahan

[Skin'EmAll]

So if Kyle gets hired as the 49ers head coach, this should be another good win for the NFL.
Two of the youngest head coaches in the same division, a division that probably was the toughest in the national conference...a few years back. Any.... way too early predictions for which ex-redskins coordinator has the better first season?

 

[Sportster 72]

Makes me laugh at how many people didn't like Kyle. I don't know if he has HCing skills but he certainly is a very good OC.

 

[Sharkinva]

Makes me laugh at how many people didn't like Kyle. I don't know if he has HCing skills but he certainly is a very good OC.

Got to admit i thought it was a huge mistake firing Kyle. I realize why it was done, but we blew it on that one.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Got to admit i thought it was a huge mistake firing Kyle. I realize why it was done, but we blew it on that one.

Depends. Could they have retained Kyle after they cut ties with Mike? I had no issue with getting rid of Mike Shanahan (primarily since I don't think you can ever also give a coach personnel duties & since his ego often got the best of him). If they could have kept Kyle after getting rid of Mike then I agree with you (although this is very doubtful).

 

[Sharkinva]

Depends. Could they have retained Kyle after they cut ties with Mike? I had no issue with getting rid of Mike Shanahan (primarily since I don't think you can ever also give a coach personnel duties & since his ego often got the best of him). If they could have kept Kyle after getting rid of Mike then I agree with you (although this is very doubtful).

OK I'll say it, getting rid of both of them when they did for the reason they did was a mistake.

 

[skinsdad62]

all i know is 2 up and coming coaches are getting a shot

 

[Skin'EmAll]

OK I'll say it, getting rid of both of them when they did for the reason they did was a mistake.

Whaaaaaaaaat? At what point during Mike's coaching tenure did you think "this guy DESERVES an extension?"
I do believe Dan thought Mike was going to win, with all the responsibility he was granted.
He sucked completely, he wasted draft picks, did not play free agents to their strengths and embarrassed the owner when his demands backfired. Its why he will never coach in any capacity again. He has a CHANCE to get a desk job in S.F.

 

[Sharkinva]

Whaaaaaaaaat? At what point during Mike's coaching tenure did you think "this guy DESERVES an extension?"
I do believe Dan thought Mike was going to win, with all the responsibility he was granted.
He sucked completely, he wasted draft picks, did not play free agents to their strengths and embarrassed the owner when his demands backfired. Its why he will never coach in any capacity again. He has a CHANCE to get a desk job in S.F.

Never... but you dont fire a coaching staff because a single player is bitching about them. It sets the wrong tone for a team that already has HAD issues of some players being held in higher regard than the coaching staff. For fuck sake, there were people calling for Grudens head after year one... because he couldnt "fix" RG3.

So yeas Mike was going to need to be fired unless some shit seriously got better. But making the right move for the wrong reason and it being publically known is NEVER a good look for a team. We fired Mike and Kyle coming off a year when our offense was ranked in the top five but our defense sucked (nothing new there).


Mike wasnt fired for player mismanagement, he was fired to placate the QB at the time. Thats a seriously WRONG reason to fire some one.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

Mike wasnt fired for player mismanagement, he was fired to placate the QB at the time. Thats a seriously WRONG reason to fire some one.

RG3, was strike 3, he was a loser LONG before the griffin fiasco. He wasted picks, couldn't get along with McNabb, quite possibly mislead Hansworth into thinking he would play in a 4-3. He blew a shot to get J.J. Watt, for an extra draft pick, that he did NOTHING with. I "think" he started BECK for an entire season, and said he put his reputation and full trust in that guy. He was and has always been able to find talent on offense, but for whatever reason...he seemed to care less about fixing or improving his 3-4. And we have sucked ever since this switch.(on defense)

 

[Sharkinva]

RG3, was strike 3, he was a loser LONG before the griffin fiasco. He wasted picks, couldn't get along with McNabb, quite possibly mislead Hansworth into thinking he would play in a 4-3. He blew a shot to get J.J. Watt, for an extra draft pick, that he did NOTHING with. I "think" he started BECK for an entire season, and said he put his reputation and full trust in that guy. He was and has always been able to find talent on offense, but for whatever reason...he seemed to care less about fixing or improving his 3-4. And we have sucked ever since this switch.(on defense)

OK first... McNabb was a douch that didnt fit his offense. Haynesworth was a fat lazy fuck.

I will give you the Watt thing. Only slightly considering that while not a future Hall of Famer, Kerrigan hasnt been too bad for us in that respect. I get it you didnt like Mike, but you dont fire a HC and OC who had just produced a top ten offense, retain the DC who sucked... all to placate the QB. As i said, it sets a bad tone. Hell the fact that the NEW Coach and GM had to get owners permission to bench said named QB is a testament to that.

 

[Sportster 72]

Yet the best players on the team or most of the best players were brought in by Shanahan. Trent, Cousins, Reed, Garcon, Alf (when he was here.)

What shark said is right. Mike needed to go but the reason he went was wrong. I never said either should have stayed or gone. I said a lot of people here and in this town were wrong about Kyle.

 

[Stymietee]

Yet the best players on the team or most of the best players were brought in by Shanahan. Trent, Cousins, Reed, Garcon, Alf (when he was here.)

What shark said is right. Mike needed to go but the reason he went was wrong. I never said either should have stayed or gone. I said a lot of people here and in this town were wrong about Kyle.

While I agree with the prevailing sentiments here as to why MS getting fired was wrong, it really doesn't go far enough to just look at the surface (public) reasons for this. Let me refresh some memories here.

At the time, even with MS doing double duty this Washington's organizational hierarchy was a mess. Bruce Allen was either team president or GM in name, having MS fill two roles meant that they had vacancies at both OK to be fair inefficiencies at both. This was all played out when said player had the gumption to bypass both and go directly to the owner. It is also why I was the first here to call for Bruce Allen's firing and the hiring of a dedicated GM. I think, to his credit Snyder realized this and the result was the firing of his GM. He moved Allen into his current spot which only eliminated 1/2 of his general managers. The other was MS, who was either a HC or GM but inseparable from either, so both had to go.

As far as Kyle was concerned, his firing here was the just another manifestation of dysfunction. Can anyone honestly say that Kyle was fired for reasons related to his performance? I doubt it! Go back and review it if you must, but as another refresher, the overwhelming and prevailing reasons why Kyle was dismissed was because of his relationship to the HC/GM. Almost everyone thought that there would be some sort of resentment because daddy got canned. I did not and insisted that they retain him, but as we all know now, dysfunction carried the day and marked that time period.

 

[Sportster 72]

While I agree with the prevailing sentiments here as to why MS getting fired was wrong, it really doesn't go far enough to just look at the surface (public) reasons for this. Let me refresh some memories here.

At the time, even with MS doing double duty this Washington's organizational hierarchy was a mess. Bruce Allen was either team president or GM in name, having MS fill two roles meant that they had vacancies at both OK to be fair inefficiencies at both. This was all played out when said player had the gumption to bypass both and go directly to the owner. It is also why I was the first here to call for Bruce Allen's firing and the hiring of a dedicated GM. I think, to his credit Snyder realized this and the result was the firing of his GM. He moved Allen into his current spot which only eliminated 1/2 of his general managers. The other was MS, who was either a HC or GM but inseparable from either, so both had to go.

As far as Kyle was concerned, his firing here was the just another manifestation of dysfunction. Can anyone honestly say that Kyle was fired for reasons related to his performance? I doubt it! Go back and review it if you must, but as another refresher, the overwhelming and prevailing reasons why Kyle was dismissed was because of his relationship to the HC/GM. Almost everyone thought that there would be some sort of resentment because daddy got canned. I did not and insisted that they retain him, but as we all know now, dysfunction carried the day and marked that time period.

Thanks for the refresher Sty. I remember what happened and stand by what I said. Most folks or at least a lot were calling for Shanahan's head. Before and during Griffin's time. Actually I remember a lot of people questioning his intelligence for using Griffin the way he did.

 

[Stymietee]

Thanks for the refresher Sty. I remember what happened and stand by what I said. Most folks or at least a lot were calling for Shanahan's head. Before and during Griffin's time. Actually I remember a lot of people questioning his intelligence for using Griffin the way he did.

I actually hated the hire for this reason alone....We are an NFCE team where historically winning programs beat the hell out of one another and the opposition. MS came here with his small quick OL which to be fair was effective on the ground, but got exposed in the passing game. I was never a fan of that small quick stuff dating way back to the time when our guys humiliated his teams in the SB.

BTW: I don't disagree with anything that you wrote, just thought that the organizational wide dysfunction refresher was warranted.

 

[Sharkinva]

Thanks for the refresher Sty. I remember what happened and stand by what I said. Most folks or at least a lot were calling for Shanahan's head. Before and during Griffin's time. Actually I remember a lot of people questioning his intelligence for using Griffin the way he did.

I got a quarter that says there will be people calling for Grudens head by Thanksgiving unless we are 8-0 at the time. Especially if we end up with a more mobile QB and he struggles early.

 

[Sportster 72]

Could be right shark. I don't know what to expect. Much like I thought Kyle was a good OC I also think Gruden has a very good offense. I am just not sure what they are going to do with Cousins. Keeping him makes sense but they let this contract thing get out of hand.

 

[Sharkinva]

Could be right shark. I don't know what to expect. Much like I thought Kyle was a good OC I also think Gruden has a very good offense. I am just not sure what they are going to do with Cousins. Keeping him makes sense but they let this contract thing get out of hand.

If you asked me a month ago, I was convinced we would keep Kirk. Two weeks ago, I was sure we might keep Kirk.

As of right now i think there is a chance we keep Kirk. But I dont think the owner WANTS to keep Kirk, and he has some fan backing on that idea. I think the only way Kirk stays is if we either dont get the offer we want or Kirk decides to take a home team discount that the team cant turn down.

 

[Sportster 72]

Sty when did our guys play Shanahan in the SB?

We will have to agree to disagree about the zone running game. I love power football but Mike changed the game a good deal with the zone run game. That being said most teams elements of both. Now running backs should hate Mike Shanahan, he devalued them a great deal. In his system you run parallel to the line and make one cut when the hole develops.

 

[Sportster 72]

Could be right shark. I don't know what to expect. Much like I thought Kyle was a good OC I also think Gruden has a very good offense. I am just not sure what they are going to do with Cousins. Keeping him makes sense but they let this contract thing get out of hand.

I told you my theory a few days ago. You don't see Danny bowling with Kirk. That is a dead give away.

 

[Sharkinva]

I told you my theory a few days ago. You don't see Danny bowling with Kirk. That is a dead give away.

Dude I have never even seen a picture of Dan even in the vicinity of Kirk.