NFL Integrity

[BigKen]

Of all of the crap that's been thrown around over the last four months, no one seems to be able to answer this question..........

If Roger Goodell is so concerned about the integrity of the NFL and it's games, how could he allow the AFC Championship game to be played with footballs that he and the Colts suspected to be outside the league parameters?

The Colts called the league office before the game against the Patriots and stated that they believed that the Patriots were making illegal adjustments to game balls. Knowing this, the NFL attempted to catch the Patriots red-handed doing something to the balls. It never happened. Instead, a league official gave the Patriots a non-sanctioned ball to put into play while he took game balls to sell on the black market.

If the league allowed illegal balls to placed into play on the field, isn't that fraud?

Or is integrity what Roger Goodell says it is?

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Of all of the crap that's been thrown around over the last four months, no one seems to be able to answer this question..........

If Roger Goodell is so concerned about the integrity of the NFL and it's games, how could he allow the AFC Championship game to be played with footballs that he and the Colts suspected to be outside the league parameters?

The Colts called the league office before the game against the Patriots and stated that they believed that the Patriots were making illegal adjustments to game balls. Knowing this, the NFL attempted to catch the Patriots red-handed doing something to the balls. It never happened. Instead, a league official gave the Patriots a non-sanctioned ball to put into play while he took game balls to sell on the black market.

If the league allowed illegal balls to placed into play on the field, isn't that fraud?

Or is integrity what Roger Goodell says it is?

This is kind of shocking. Precedence had already been established. Players and teams both have been warned by the NFL when there was suspected wrongdoing. Why not this case. Not that I think that should be the norm but it has been established as such. So why let the AFCCG be tainted when it could've been avoided? This could get ugly before it gets better.

 

[CreepCreep2014]

If integrity was so important, then why were the Vikings giving a warning for heating up balls on the sidelines during a game on natl TV and they showed it. A warmer ball easier to kick, seems like competitive advantage to me. Yet we can call TB a cheater based on some texts from some ass clowns?

Also someone answer this for me....I am a little confused. The Refs used 2 gauges during halftime and one of them showed 8 balls from NE to be legal? I cannot remember if this was in the report, or I am imagining things.

 

[TP76]

Also someone answer this for me....I am a little confused. The Refs used 2 gauges during halftime and one of them showed 8 balls from NE to be legal? I cannot remember if this was in the report, or I am imagining things.

Well, they had two gauges, one evidently was showing lower reading fairly consistently from the other by .4 PSI on average. Initially I thought it was a drop due to lost air inserting the needle and possibly some air lost to fill the gauge but then saw that there were two gauges used. The gauges were not calibrated and looked to be fairly low quality (see pic). Another example if the NFL sparing no expense for quality equipment. Pretty sad actually.

Anderson stated that he wasn't sure which of the two gauges he checked the footballs with during pregame, but his best recollection was the gauge that indicated higher pressure. Now if it was the gauge that was indicating lower pressure at pregame inspection, the lower pressure gauge readings at the half would confirm that most of the balls (8 of 11) were beyond the predicted pressure loss due to game conditions - hence fitting the theory that air was released. Of the 8 balls below the 11.32-11.52PSI threshold predicted by the calculations in the Wells report, were below tolerance by an average of approximately 0.25PSI - which is basically what this whole sad episode is over.I just don't see the motive to take such a miniscule amount of air out of the ball - frankly. Hell, the average .4PSI difference between the gauges was more than the average the 8 balls were under according to the calculations in the report.

Wells basically threw Anderson's best recollection out (because it didn't fit the agenda) and assumed he was wrong.

If the gauge Anderson used for the initial pressure check was the higher pressure gauge. The vast majority of the balls are in the expected range predicted by the calculation in the report. Which would mean that - it's likely no air was taken out of the balls since 8 of 11 balls fall within expected parameters - Case closed.

Pressure gauge discrepancies undermine Wells report | ProFootballTalk

Long story short - if they prove on appeal, using the Well's own calculations in the report, that the vast majority of balls fall within acceptable parameters, the NFL's case literally falls apart.

Basically this one assumption by Wells cost the Patriots a 1st rounder, a 4th rounder, $1M in fines, sullied Brady's reputation, cost him playing time and $1.8M in income.

This is why I'm fairly confident in the strength of Brady's case.

 

[TxHeat]

If integrity was so important, then why were the Vikings giving a warning for heating up balls on the sidelines during a game on natl TV and they showed it. A warmer ball easier to kick, seems like competitive advantage to me. Yet we can call TB a cheater based on some texts from some ass clowns?

Also someone answer this for me....I am a little confused. The Refs used 2 gauges during halftime and one of them showed 8 balls from NE to be legal? I cannot remember if this was in the report, or I am imagining things.

for the report they used the gauge that gave them the findings they were seeking. I see no other way to look at that issue especially after yesterday when one of the investigators flatly said in a news conference it didn't matter which gauge was used.

 

[BigKen]

95% of the country believes that Ted Wells is also an aeronautical engineer as well as a slick attorney that got Wall Street Brokerages off clean when they nearly bankrupted the United States in 2008. He can scream all he wants about his reputation and integrity, but those of us who lost our IRAs and 401Ks in 2008 haven't forgotten the legal minds that made gazillions getting the NYSE thieves out clean.

 

[cdumler7]

This is kind of shocking. Precedence had already been established. Players and teams both have been warned by the NFL when there was suspected wrongdoing. Why not this case. Not that I think that should be the norm but it has been established as such. So why let the AFCCG be tainted when it could've been avoided? This could get ugly before it gets better.

Actually the Patriots have been warned in the past about tampering with the balls. Back in 2004 McNally was given a warning by the league for what he was doing to the balls that went against the rules. I do agree though the whole letting a game start the way they did is a bit strange. If anything what they should have done is right before the game started take the balls and check them. I wouldn't have let them actually get on the field of play.

 

[TxHeat]

Actually the Patriots have been warned in the past about tampering with the balls. Back in 2004 McNally was given a warning by the league for what he was doing to the balls that went against the rules. I do agree though the whole letting a game start the way they did is a bit strange. If anything what they should have done is right before the game started take the balls and check them. I wouldn't have let them actually get on the field of play.

don't you think then that for 10 years the refs didn't say anything is strange? that this all came about because of an email from the Colts to Mike Kensil? A guy with a serious axe to grind with the Pats.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Actually the Patriots have been warned in the past about tampering with the balls. Back in 2004 McNally was given a warning by the league for what he was doing to the balls that went against the rules. I do agree though the whole letting a game start the way they did is a bit strange. If anything what they should have done is right before the game started take the balls and check them. I wouldn't have let them actually get on the field of play.

Good points. Do you have a link to the 2004 incident? this is the first I'm hearing about that.

 

[cdumler7]

Good points. Do you have a link to the 2004 incident? this is the first I'm hearing about that.

Here is a link for you Wells Report: NFL Warned Patriots In 2004 About Improper Game Footballs | New England Patriots | NESN.com

 

[TxHeat]

Here is a link for you Wells Report: NFL Warned Patriots In 2004 About Improper Game Footballs | New England Patriots | NESN.com

and that letter has the wrong date (no game played that day) and a James McNulty that didn't exist on the Pats. A fine piece of work by Wells tying that in to this saga...10+ years later. I call bullshit!!!

 

[cdumler7]

and that letter has the wrong date (no game played that day) and a James McNulty that didn't exist on the Pats. A fine piece of work by Wells tying that in to this saga...10+ years later. I call bullshit!!!

Which is your right. Have you ever called somebody by the wrong name or wrote the wrong date before? Not saying it was the best work by any means but it does show that the Pats have been warned about what Balls they were using in the past.

 

[Southieinnc]

Which is your right. Have you ever called somebody by the wrong name or wrote the wrong date before? Not saying it was the best work by any means but it does show that the Pats have been warned about what Balls they were using in the past.

$5 million dollars worth of mistakes?

 

[GNG]

Here is a link for you Wells Report: NFL Warned Patriots In 2004 About Improper Game Footballs | New England Patriots | NESN.com

There was a pattern of misbehavior.

 

[redseat]

And didn't this same report state the NFL didn't care too much about the deflated balls when it was initially reported to them? But yeah.... the league has a crap load of integrity!

Suspend a player for 4 games over a football but only 2 games for a wife beater....I get it the ball has more of an "on the field" impact but that is far less of a crime or hideous than actually knocking out a human being!

 

[MISKO]

And didn't this same report state the NFL didn't care too much about the deflated balls when it was initially reported to them? But yeah.... the league has a crap load of integrity!

Suspend a player for 4 games over a football but only 2 games for a wife beater....I get it the ball has more of an "on the field" impact but that is far less of a crime or hideous than actually knocking out a human being!

she kinda deserved it and asked for it .. if she was acting like a proper lady instead of a pos ghetto trash , she would not have got hit .. its her own fault .. rice was rail roaded by all of you pseudo males that are in touch with their feelings

 

[TxHeat]

$5 million dollars worth of mistakes?

it sure doesn't buy what it used to.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

she kinda deserved it and asked for it .. if she was acting like a proper lady instead of a pos ghetto trash , she would not have got hit .. its her own fault .. rice was rail roaded by all of you pseudo males that are in touch with their feelings

Oh, you just added so much weight to your opinions there.
She deserved it.
Just fuckin wow.
What a nutless fuck.

 

[MISKO]

Oh, you just added so much weight to your opinions there.
She deserved it.
Just fuckin wow.
What a nutless fuck.

im nutless ??? did you eat them ?

 

[TxHeat]

This is how the NFL let deflate-gate get out of control and ridiculous - Yahoo Sports

this is the best article on the circus I've read yet!