New Base Running Stats - by Statcast

[steveringo]

Great read:

https://www.mlb.com/news/breaking-down-statcast-s-new-baserunning-stats

Statcast Baserunning Run Value Leaderboard

Baseball Savant

baseballsavant.mlb.com

 

[MilkSpiller22]

IDK... stat seems more confusing than it should be... but it really doesnt matter... SBs are the baserunning king stat...

and bad baserunning will always feel low on the value priority list of a player...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I would be more interested in these individual stats

1. outs made attempting to extend a single into a double, a double into a triple, or a triple into a HR

2. fielding or throwing errors when player is on base and/or gives the player a base

 

[steveringo]

IDK... stat seems more confusing than it should be...

That is what baseball is all about nowadays....

Advanced sabrmetrics based on advanced analysis of sabrmetrics... I gave up looking up the formulas when BABIP and FIP came around. But I love using them!

 

[MilkSpiller22]

That is what baseball is all about nowadays....

Advanced sabrmetrics based on advanced analysis of sabrmetrics... I gave up looking up the formulas when BABIP and FIP came around. But I love using them!

yea... i am a stats head... love stats... but hate sabremetrics... really do... but not for the reasons you would think... Sabremetrics and other advanced stats give weight to specific raw data... i dont agree with the weight it gives...

I find generally speaking that Sabremetrics is more intended to predict players futures than it is to analyze what a player has actualy done...

 

[calsnowskier]

That is what baseball is all about nowadays....

Advanced sabrmetrics based on advanced analysis of sabrmetrics... I gave up looking up the formulas when BABIP and FIP came around. But I love using them!

BABIP is a simple calculation, though. I don’t utilize FIP, but I think it is a simple calc as well.

WAR or Game Score or RC or OPS+ are overly complicated and include too much subjectivity, imho. Not to say they are worthless stats (WAR and OPS+ are in my regular rotation for key stats I look at), but I can’t explain to you how they are calculated. I understand at a very basic level what they represent, but I would not be able to calculate them on my own.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

BABIP is a simple calculation, though. I don’t utilize FIP, but I think it is a simple calc as well.

WAR or Game Score or RC or OPS+ are overly complicated and include too much subjectivity, imho. Not to say they are worthless stats (WAR and OPS+ are in my regular rotation for key stats I look at), but I can’t explain to you how they are calculated. I understand at a very basic level what they represent, but I would not be able to calculate them on my own.

they are key stats to look at for a quick glance... but that is only because they are the ones given...

i used to make my own advanced stats using my own weights... havent done it in years... but i would love to do an adjusted stat that measures when players played better....

 

[calsnowskier]

they are key stats to look at for a quick glance... but that is only because they are the ones given...

i used to make my own advanced stats using my own weights... havent done it in years... but i would love to do an adjusted stat that measures when players played better....

OPS+ is OK for that purpose, but that looks at a flawed stat (OPS) and applies subjective weights.

 

[steveringo]

BABIP is a simple calculation, though. I don’t utilize FIP, but I think it is a simple calc as well.

WAR or Game Score or RC or OPS+ are overly complicated and include too much subjectivity, imho. Not to say they are worthless stats (WAR and OPS+ are in my regular rotation for key stats I look at), but I can’t explain to you how they are calculated. I understand at a very basic level what they represent, but I would not be able to calculate them on my own.

they are key stats to look at for a quick glance... but that is only because they are the ones given...

i used to make my own advanced stats using my own weights... havent done it in years... but i would love to do an adjusted stat that measures when players played better....

One of my dreams when I was a kid (I mean, when I was under 40), was to create a make-your-own-stats website. You would select from all the raw data and weight each how you want.

I imagine there are nerds stat-heads like us that could come up with very useful information....

 

[MilkSpiller22]

One of my dreams when I was a kid (I mean, when I was under 40), was to create a make-your-own-stats website. You would select from all the raw data and weight each how you want.

I imagine there are nerds stat-heads like us that could come up with very useful information....

i really wish baseball reference had something like this... they have the data base all set up already...

 

[calsnowskier]

One of my dreams when I was a kid (I mean, when I was under 40), was to create a make-your-own-stats website. You would select from all the raw data and weight each how you want.

I imagine there are nerds stat-heads like us that could come up with very useful information....

There are Access-based DBs out there that can be DL’d and played with. But many of the higher-end stats (WAR and Game Score, for example) take the game situation play-by-play into account for calculation (I think), so looking at stat compilers wont be robust enough to create THOSE types of stats.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

There are Access-based DBs out there that can be DL’d and played with. But many of the higher-end stats (WAR and Game Score, for example) take the game situation play-by-play into account for calculation (I think), so looking at stat compilers wont be robust enough to create THOSE types of stats.

game score will never be able to really be calculated...

but with all stat splits and game logs in some of these data bases, we could do a lot...

like i said about baserunning, i would love to see


1. outs made attempting to extend a single into a double, a double into a triple, or a triple into a HR

2. fielding or throwing errors when player is on base and/or gives the player a base

 

[calsnowskier]

game score will never be able to really be calculated...

but with all stat splits and game logs in some of these data bases, we could do a lot...

like i said about baserunning, i would love to see


1. outs made attempting to extend a single into a double, a double into a triple, or a triple into a HR

2. fielding or throwing errors when player is on base and/or gives the player a base

I don’t believe this is possible to measure, but I would be very interested in looking at “The Rickey Effect”. How do batters do when a particular player is on 1st base? 2nd base? 3rd base? How many balks can a base runner induce? How many errors?

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I don’t believe this is possible to measure, but I would be very interested in looking at “The Rickey Effect”. How do batters do when a particular player is on 1st base? 2nd base? 3rd base? How many balks can a base runner induce? How many errors?

of course it could be... they have the data... BAOTWOB- batting average of teamates when on base... and that can be separated more so for what base...

but all of that is a factor for elite baserunners...


but i do think it is a shame that fielding errors caused by speed is not a real stat...

 

[calsnowskier]

of course it could be... they have the data... BAOTWOB- batting average of teamates when on base... and that can be separated more so for what base...

but all of that is a factor for elite baserunners...


but i do think it is a shame that fielding errors caused by speed is not a real stat...

VERY few players are able to affect the game the way Rickey did. Coleman was probably similar and I would assume Brock did it as well. Lofton and Raines tried, but they just weren’t the same as Rickey or Coleman.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

VERY few players are able to affect the game the way Rickey did. Coleman was probably similar and I would assume Brock did it as well. Lofton and Raines tried, but they just weren’t the same as Rickey or Coleman.

i remember Dave Roberts in the 2024 ALCS... thought it was the WS... he single handedly won that series...

 

[calsnowskier]

i remember Dave Roberts in the 2024 ALCS... thought it was the WS... he single handedly won that series...

There was no World Series in 2024.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

There was no World Series in 2024.

LOL... meant 2004

 

[calsnowskier]

LOL... meant 2004

Ooooooohhhh…

That makes more sense.

 

[navamind]

yea... i am a stats head... love stats... but hate sabremetrics... really do... but not for the reasons you would think... Sabremetrics and other advanced stats give weight to specific raw data... i dont agree with the weight it gives...

I find generally speaking that Sabremetrics is more intended to predict players futures than it is to analyze what a player has actualy done...

I feel like that's more true of pitching metrics, particularly FIP/xFIP (which are ERA predictors). I feel like stats like wRC+ and wOBA give you a general sense of what batters have done at the plate. Statcast metrics such as exit velocity and xBA/xSLG, however, feel like they're more valuable for predicting future success.