My Take On Penn State

[GNG]

Penn State is good but not great.

 

[PIBuckeye]

The college playoffs should be extended to the top 8 teams.

that isn't going to solve anything, then teams 9-11 will be arguing they should be in...... it won't stop.

 

[socaljim242]

Why are later games outweighing earlier games necessarily? Why play earlier games if they will not count? Again, the NFL counts every game and counts them equally. You simply have the best record to win a division. Ties are broken with automatic tie breakers that are under the control of the teams, not a committee. Everything is decided ONLY on the field. The NFL method works. So why does college football resist doing it the same way?

I would guess you can't do it because not everyone schedules the same. PAC teams play one more conference game than some conferences so thats extra losses and some conferences never leave their area for games. Heck Michigan played at home eight times.

 

[Craig24]

Penn State is good but not great.

That's interesting. I'm lobbying for the NFL playoff qualification method. Under the current FBS method, the 2007 NFL season would see The Patriots, Colts, Cowboys and Packers in the playoffs. But who actually won the Super Bowl?

 

[Craig24]

I would guess you can't do it because not everyone schedules the same. PAC teams play one more conference game than some conferences so thats extra losses and some conferences never leave their area for games. Heck Michigan played at home eight times.

The NFL method fixes that. You play the same number of home and road games. You don't play games against non FBS teams (do NFL teams schedule Canadian pro teams to fill out a non division or non conference schedule?). Lot's of changes would have to be made to make this work fairly.

 

[Deep Creek]

We can't be in the business of deciding titles on vague non definable objective measures.

You've defined a beauty contest. This is exactly what traditionalists really and truly desire. That way things can be manipulated to get what they want.

 

[Milkshake]

I don't require an opinion. In the head to head, PSU beat tOSU. Won their division and won the championship game.

tOSU was a no-show in the b1g championship and being in the playoffs is a gift.

And to save you a keystroke or two. Yes. I'm jealous.

I don't mind your jealousy -- however, the gift was there being no other 1 loss teams (Sorry W.Mich). And no other teams with that many high quality wins. Penn St got a gift in the form of a Hawkeye fg. Penn St advanced on a tie-breaker. Penn St doesn't lose twice - they are in.

The jealousy really shouldn't be on OSU anyway. Try redirecting to Washington's OOC or Clemson's five games they could have lost. In the end, the committee got it right - and again, I think it was easy for them.

 

[jonvi]

Why are later games outweighing earlier games necessarily? Why play earlier games if they will not count? Again, the NFL counts every game and counts them equally. You simply have the best record to win a division. Ties are broken with automatic tie breakers that are under the control of the teams, not a committee. Everything is decided ONLY on the field. The NFL method works. So why does college football resist doing it the same way?

There's about 100 more D1 teams than teams in the NFL.

 

[Craig24]

There's about 100 more D1 teams than teams in the NFL.

Why does that matter?

 

[jonvi]

You need to take into consideration what the committee considers more important than conference crowns. Like current top 25 rankings, record versus top 25 teams & the FPI. I think conference champs should get an automatic invite to the Playoff but the committee thinks otherwise.

All of the bolded are opinion only and not fact. Otherwise a top 3 tOSU would have pounded an unranked PSU. Those polls represent opinions of many people that hadn't held a football since grade school.

 

[Milkshake]

Why does that matter?

SOS and about 50 levels of transitive nonsense..

 

[socaljim242]

The NFL method fixes that. You play the same number of home and road games. You don't play games against non FBS teams (do NFL teams schedule Canadian pro teams to fill out a non division or non conference schedule?). Lot's of changes would have to be made to make this work fairly.

You mean get the SEC to stop playing Chatanooga- Towsend- North texas- Alabama A&M? Good luck with that.

 

[Craig24]

SOS and about 50 levels of transitive nonsense..

Why does that matter?

 

[Wamu]

All of the bolded are opinion only and not fact. Otherwise a top 3 tOSU would have pounded an unranked PSU. Those polls represent opinions of many people that hadn't held a football since grade school.

Not according to the committee. It's your opinion they don't matter.

 

[jonvi]

Why does that matter?

With 30 teams, the NFL is able to create a schedule that is a representation of each division and conference. With 130ish teams in CFB, that's just not possible....without major restructuring.

The nfl creates every teams schedule. In cbb, the occ is up to the school to decide. Bama has been notorious for not playing a decent D1 ooc.

I could see the point of consideration to the UM win over PSU.

But every team should play their way into the playoffs. That just didn't happen with tOSU.

 

[uncfan103]

I hear ya, but it appears the 16 team conference is here to stay. tOSU didn't even play last weekend and will still be in the playoff's because they were voted into it. We are right back to where we were a few years ago. What happened on the field doesn't matter.

There's many in the media and in coaching (all voters) that believe there is not a team that can compete with Bama this year. With that in mind, we should just vote Alabama the National Champions and move on to bball.

You have to agree though that finishing 11-1 with wins over Oklahoma, Michigan and Wisconsin happened on the field and are the reason Ohio State made it into the playoffs though, right?

Do you not believe OOC games should be relevant when it comes to National Championship discussion?

Ohio State had a win over Oklahoma. Penn State had a loss to Pittsburgh, and a win over Purdue. They both finished 2-1 against Ohio State/Penn State, Michigan and Wisconsin. I'm not sure the head to head conference tiebreaker is enough to offset the Oklahoma vs. Pitt/Purdue games.

 

[jonvi]

Not according to the committee. It's your opinion they don't matter.

wuh.....yeah. Like I think we all are pontificating our opinions. But just for you.....

@Shaggy. @Wamu would like this thread deleted because people are opinionated and the committee has made their decision.

 

[Wamu]

wuh.....yeah. Like I think we all are pontificating our opinions. But just for you.....

@Shaggy. @Wamu would like this thread deleted because people are opinionated and the committee has made their decision.

Odd thing to say only because I disagree w/ what you're saying. Is this how you always act when someone doesn't agree w/ your opinion?

 

[jonvi]

I don't mind your jealousy -- however, the gift was there being no other 1 loss teams (Sorry W.Mich). And no other teams with that many high quality wins. Penn St got a gift in the form of a Hawkeye fg. Penn St advanced on a tie-breaker. Penn St doesn't lose twice - they are in.

The jealousy really shouldn't be on OSU anyway. Try redirecting to Washington's OOC or Clemson's five games they could have lost. In the end, the committee got it right - and again, I think it was easy for them.

I hear brah. And their 26 - 13 drubbing by USC. Yeah....There's definitely a case for that one too. I keep looking for that 8 team playoff system.

And based on that....The committee didn't get it right. IMHO. Ok....not so humble today.

 

[jonvi]

Odd thing to say only because I disagree w/ what you're saying. Is this how you always act when someone doesn't agree w/ your opinion?

Well shit....you saying my opinion was unworthy when a thread full of other opinions including your own is "odd" as well. I did put a smily on it to let you know I really don't give two shits either way. I'm pretty sure SU wasn't a consideration.

I'm just trying to spur some thought and conversation.