money for kirk

[Sharkinva]

This is a tough situation even though right it seems like a no-brainer due to the Skins hot run and Kirk's play. But we've all seen this before. QBs can go on a hot streak like this and it turns into fool's gold. Look at the run Nick Foles had a few years ago with Philly for a very recent example. It's hard to forget he was probably going to benched if he didn't turn things around vs Tampa after halftime. This is a guy that coming into this season had highest INT rate of any QB in the NFL. Each situation is different, so hopefully Kirk is more substance than streak and he's truly turned the corner. Problem is how do you determine what to pay to find out.

I hope Kirk realizes he has something in Washington that might not transfer over to another team that could throw money at him like Cleveland. Will Kirk and his agent take a "show me" deal as a slap in the face?

I think comparing him to Foles is an insult. Foles had success largely due to a some what gimmick system that teams eventually adjusted to. Kirk is doing it like a true pocket passer. His skills will translate to any system where they stress QB fundamentals. Reading defenses, throwing on time, and not taking needless sacks. Is he a sure thing?? Not at all. Is he as system reliant as Foles was on Chip Kelly's system working?? Not in the least.

 

[j_y19]

This was kirk's show me year. Can this year be a fluke? Maybe, but as shark posted, he succeeded by showing the skills of a proto typical NFL QB. Those skills translate to almost any team. The Redskins are going to have to pay him to keep him. hopefully they can work a deal that gives the team some outs in the later years. Expect the first 2-3 years to be guaranteed.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Been there done that with regards to comparing Kirk to his skill level contemporaries, but for the sake of this conversation and in keeping on topic, let's say that Kirk chooses to go elsewhere, do you really believe that SM won't find or don't already have a few targets in mind? His track record this season alone tells us that, QB will be no different.

Beg to differ - QB is completely different than replacing other positions. First of all it takes a very long time to groom a QB to be effective and click with the rest of the offense. Secondly - good QBs are very hard to find & your options are extremely limited.

You can basically go one of two directions - 1. draft a QB - this is a total crapshoot & at best will take 2-3 years - not a good fit with where this team currently stands. 2. Hope & pray that an effective vet is available - good luck with that since most likely the QB is available since he has some type of flaws.

I am certain that SM realizes the value of someone like Cousins & I have no doubt that he will be re-signed by the Redskins.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

This was kirk's show me year. Can this year be a fluke? Maybe, but as shark posted, he succeeded by showing the skills of a proto typical NFL QB. Those skills translate to almost any team. The Redskins are going to have to pay him to keep him. hopefully they can work a deal that gives the team some outs in the later years. Expect the first 2-3 years to be guaranteed.

They will get it done since they both truly need each other, and I believe that this will result in sincere negotiations by both sides. I believe that Cousins is definitely about more than money. That being the case - where could he go & find a situation even remotely close to his situation with the Redskins?

 

[skinsdad62]

i dont know why this is a debate . the skins can franchise him so end of discussion . he isnt going anywhere so the debate is do you franchise him like Rak and make him prove it or do you go long term ?

one thing to remember is the whole team is watching so making the right choice is important

some of you love to low ball and you cant do that if you want some loyalty back

and again whom do you replace him with ? SM has an answer is a refrain

well the realistic possibilities that make sense are

RG3 , kaep , osweiler , or taylor all are young , sign a luke mcckown or fitz is a complete joke and we arent getting a good qb class coming out this year and we draft late to boot

face it you will get KC back either for 1 year or more

what more does he have to prove ? he put the numbers up and got us to the playoffs nobody thought we could get (2.6% chance at the beginning of the season )

so the skins will have to stick their necks out like gruden did this season

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Good reply Skinsdad - totally agree. I guess that some folks are going to be somewhat down on Cousins no matter what. I was initially & admit to being wrong. The reality is that they cannot replace him with equal value at this time. Any vet that they sign at this time will be someone else's reject. In no way is this like replacing a DB, RB or LB. Anyone with knowledge of the NFL knows that.

 

[skinsdad62]

Theismann on Cousins: Redskins should pay him $80-$100 million

this is a figure his agent is sure to follow 80-100 mil now gulp low ballers

 

[gkekoa]

KC will get around 17 mil/season.

 

[gkekoa]

I am not sure how Theisman thinks KC is better than those other QBs. Over the last 8 games...no doubt. Over the entire season, you cannot make that claim.

 

[skinsdad62]

KC will get around 17 mil/season.

it will be more at least the FT area

 

[Sharkinva]

I am not sure how Theisman thinks KC is better than those other QBs. Over the last 8 games...no doubt. Over the entire season, you cannot make that claim.

Every QB has a stinker or two out there on film. As far as Kirk being better than Kaep or Stafford.... Kaep might actually be released, and once the niners defense shit the bed, so too did Kaep.

Stafford.... Kirk has out played him this season period.

 

[j_y19]

I am not sure how Theisman thinks KC is better than those other QBs. Over the last 8 games...no doubt. Over the entire season, you cannot make that claim.

This season? Better than cutler and stafford? Don't know how you can't make that claim. What stats are you looking at? Did they lead their teams to the playoffs? I'm not saying that over the long haul, he is better, but he was more productive than either of those guys this year.

 

[j_y19]

KC will get around 17 mil/season.

Well, you've come up quite a bit from your original stance, but you're still too low.

 

[kcglasonion_1981]

KC will get around 17 mil/season.

I'm think 18 million. 5 year 90 million, 40+ million guaranteed

 

[skinsdad62]

it will be the FT or better . GK is living in fantasy world if he thinks KC will settle for 17 mil a season . he will get FT or better if for nothing else then he has great leverage

 

[skinsdad62]

I'm think 18 million. 5 year 90 million, 40+ million guaranteed

a blast from the past KC , good to see ya here

 

[kcglasonion_1981]

a blast from the past KC , good to see ya here

Ha. Thanks Skinsdad. I will be on here more often. Was so bummed when the ESPN forums were closed.
Any Dallas trolls on here still?

 

[redskinsfan]

Been there done that with regards to comparing Kirk to his skill level contemporaries, but for the sake of this conversation and in keeping on topic, let's say that Kirk chooses to go elsewhere, do you really believe that SM won't find or don't already have a few targets in mind? His track record this season alone tells us that, QB will be no different.

If Jabba The Hutt ate Princess Leia, what other fetching, young, human lass would there be on Tatooine to tame the carnal desires of a red-blooded American male there? Might there be others to replace the Princess? Perhaps. Problem is I can't think of any. Same thing with Kirk.

Ball's in your court on this one. Unless you'd be happy with Jabba.

 

[JonBlaze]

I think comparing him to Foles is an insult. Foles had success largely due to a some what gimmick system that teams eventually adjusted to. Kirk is doing it like a true pocket passer. His skills will translate to any system where they stress QB fundamentals. Reading defenses, throwing on time, and not taking needless sacks. Is he a sure thing?? Not at all. Is he as system reliant as Foles was on Chip Kelly's system working?? Not in the least.

Nick Foles was not some running spread QB, but that's not the point. Foles is just one example of a QB that played very well for a long stretch in one season and flamed out later. It is not crazy to consider he COULD be one. Not like every single statistical measurement and trend re: KC coming into this season showed he was a pretty below average starting QB.

I mean shit RG3 did the same thing just a few years ago. Yes, KC is showing more staying power as a prototypical pocket QB in a more pro-style system. It looks and feels legit. I hope it is. Just saying we've seen this before so there's a chance of it not being real.

 

[Sharkinva]

Nick Foles was not some running spread QB, but that's not the point. Foles is just one example of a QB that played very well for a long stretch in one season and flamed out later. It is not crazy to consider he COULD be one. Not like every single statistical measurement and trend re: KC coming into this season showed he was a pretty below average starting QB.

I mean shit RG3 did the same thing just a few years ago. Yes, KC is showing more staying power as a prototypical pocket QB in a more pro-style system. It looks and feels legit. I hope it is. Just saying we've seen this before so there's a chance of it not being real.

And there in is the REAL issue here. I didnt mention Griffin. But he is closer to a one year wonder ala Foles than Cousins is. Both Foles and RG3 excelled in systems that were built on the system alone. And once the system got figured out, the player couldnt adjust in the case of Foles. The player just didnt want to run the system in the case of Griffin. Again IM not saying Cousins is a franchise QB (yet). But he doesnt rely on the system so much as the system fits his skill set. Griffin would no more succeed in this system than he would in the Patriots system. At worse Cousins is an average starting QB. But reality is, he has gotten better as the season progressed... and it aint because no one can figure out the system.