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[dredinis21]

LOL! " Bullshit technicality"! What a load of crap.
Sherman's sample was contaminated. Thus, no proof of anything at all. The NFL (which you state is a solid source) agrees on that point.
Give it up already.

Give WHAT up? Because a tech guy didn't document transferring sample from one cup to another, he gets off. That's about as bullshit as it gets. But the FACT that there was a drug in his urine is indisputable. Once again, that was on appeal, not the original verdict which was DUE PROCESS.

 

[JDM]

The rules are there for a reason. Proper maintenance is essential to the integrity of the test.

 

[cdumler7]

Fair enough.
I agree that it would be nice to have the high road taken but I am dealing in reality here and it ain't gonna happen on a message board, especially when it is a beef between 9er and Seahawks fans.

I agree it is expected especially on a message board like this that there are always going to be those few that respond in a way like we have seen. Message boards give people the ability to say what they would never say in person to a fan of another team. If I had a nickel for every time I have had somebody challenge me to a fight on these boards I would be a rich man (I usually like to follow up those threats with offering to give my home address to the person if they would like to come and find out who would win just because I want to see how they respond...been some pretty funny responses).

 

[cdumler7]

The rules are there for a reason. Proper maintenance is essential to the integrity of the test.

It does amaze me though how many of these samples end up getting tainted in professional sports these days. I know they have a pretty strict set of guidelines to ensure the integrity of the process but it just seems like these leaky samples or like in Ryan Braun's case the guy decided to keep the sample overnight or something like that? Just seems like there would be an easier way to figure out how to make sure this kind of stuff does not happen.

 

[jakedog56]

Give WHAT up? Because a tech guy didn't document transferring sample from one cup to another, he gets off. That's about as bullshit as it gets. But the FACT that there was a drug in his urine is indisputable. Once again, that was on appeal, not the original verdict which was DUE PROCESS.

Funny stuff! Look I readily admit that there is a possibility that Sherman was guilty but he was found to be not guilty due to contaminated evidence. I also readily admit that there is a strong possibility that Kaep is not guilty and even that Aldon is not guilty even after he stated he had a bomb in front of airport security! I will wait for the situation to play out.

What I have never heard, not even ONCE, is a 9er fan actually manning up and admitting that there is even a possibility that Sherman is not guilty! I have not seen one single 9er fan who had the guts to admit it in all of the months since it happened.

So I guess there is no chance in 9er fans sour grapes state of mind that innocent until proven guilty still applies in this country?

 

[dredinis21]

Funny stuff! Look I readily admit that there is a possibility that Sherman was guilty but he was found to be not guilty due to contaminated evidence. I also readily admit that there is a strong possibility that Kaep is not guilty and even that Aldon is not guilty even after he stated he had a bomb in front of airport security! I will wait for the situation to play out.

What I have never heard, not even ONCE, is a 9er fan actually manning up and admitting that there is even a possibility that Sherman is not guilty! I have not seen one single 9er fan who had the guts to admit it in all of the months since it happened.

So I guess there is no chance in 9er fans sour grapes state of mind that innocent until proven guilty still applies in this country?

I have no problem stating that Sherman COULD be innocent but the reality is that the chances of that are minimal at best given the facts of the case. The fact that you have not heard or seen that from Niner fans means that you probably haven't read the Niner board's long thread regarding Sherman's drug test because quite a few stated at the very least what I just said...but I also don't blame you for not frequenting the Niner board as it is very territorial.

Funny stuff indeed. He FAILED a test. Guilty. He appealed, was found that the test protocol was not followed and had his failed drug test overturned. Not Guilty due to a technicality. This isn't about "innocent until proven guilty" because he was innocent until he pissed into a cup and came up dirty. There's your guilty verdict. Now it's about him proving, not his innocence, but that the test protocol was not followed. Guilty verdict overturned and suspension lifted. So your patriotic "what ever happened to guilty until proven innocent in this country" grandstanding is not even applicable in this case.

 

[cezero]

I have no problem stating that Sherman COULD be innocent but the reality is that the chances of that are minimal at best given the facts of the case. The fact that you have not heard or seen that from Niner fans means that you probably haven't read the Niner board's long thread regarding Sherman's drug test because quite a few stated at the very least what I just said...but I also don't blame you for not frequenting the Niner board as it is very territorial.

Funny stuff indeed. He FAILED a test. Guilty. He appealed, was found that the test protocol was not followed and had his failed drug test overturned. Not Guilty due to a technicality. This isn't about "innocent until proven guilty" because he was innocent until he pissed into a cup and came up dirty. There's your guilty verdict. Now it's about him proving, not his innocence, but that the test protocol was not followed. Guilty verdict overturned and suspension lifted. So your patriotic "what ever happened to guilty until proven innocent in this country" grandstanding is not even applicable in this case.

All you had to say was "I am a bitter Sherman hater". The rest of the nonsensical drivel wasn't necessary.

 

[JDM]

I have no problem stating that Sherman COULD be innocent but the reality is that the chances of that are minimal at best given the facts of the case. The fact that you have not heard or seen that from Niner fans means that you probably haven't read the Niner board's long thread regarding Sherman's drug test because quite a few stated at the very least what I just said...but I also don't blame you for not frequenting the Niner board as it is very territorial.

Funny stuff indeed. He FAILED a test. Guilty. He appealed, was found that the test protocol was not followed and had his failed drug test overturned. Not Guilty due to a technicality. This isn't about "innocent until proven guilty" because he was innocent until he pissed into a cup and came up dirty. There's your guilty verdict. Now it's about him proving, not his innocence, but that the test protocol was not followed. Guilty verdict overturned and suspension lifted. So your patriotic "what ever happened to guilty until proven innocent in this country" grandstanding is not even applicable in this case.

Innocent until proven guilty by due process of law. We'll ignore that this isn't a legal case, and hold simply the due process concept, and he was not shown guilty by due process. The process was violated, thus any results of the process have no meaning.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

As expected this turned into a ''he said'' ''she said'' thread by Niner and Seahawks's fans. Didn't see that one coming... :rollseyes:

Yeah, but the "he" in this case is a Seahawk.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

I will state you are correct in a drug test is pass/fail but the NFL has agreed that he did not fail. So where does that leave your lynch-mob theory?

You don't seem to be getting this. The NFL agreed that the sample was not maintained according to the proper procedures, and thus the NFL reversed its determination that he failed. That is not close to agreeing that he didn't fail.

Look, if the police show up at your house without a warrant, kick down your door, and find a large-scale marijuana grow (assuming private grows are still illegal in WA), you'll likely get off because the cops violated the 4th Amendment. It doesn't mean you aren't guilty, it just means the authorities didn't do what they were supposed to. The Sherman thing is similar. The end result does not indicate that he was clean, and given the circumstances it is somewhat unlikely that he was. However, the sloppy work of the lab tech prevents the NFL from using the evidence against him. Is there some scenario in which the empty but open cup the sample was transferred into was contaminated? Sure, it's possible, but it's pretty unlikely.

 

[sjballer03]

I love all of these experts on this site.

We have no idea what was in that sample. It is against the CBA rules for that information to be disclosed to the public EVER. All we know is it came up dirty for something. What that was is nothing but speculation. Could have been far worse than adderall or something even less. We don't know and will never know.

I rest my case.

 

[JDM]

You don't seem to be getting this. The NFL agreed that the sample was not maintained according to the proper procedures, and thus the NFL reversed its determination that he failed. That is not close to agreeing that he didn't fail.

Look, if the police show up at your house without a warrant, kick down your door, and find a large-scale marijuana grow (assuming private grows are still illegal in WA), you'll likely get off because the cops violated the 4th Amendment. It doesn't mean you aren't guilty, it just means the authorities didn't do what they were supposed to. The Sherman thing is similar. The end result does not indicate that he was clean, and given the circumstances it is somewhat unlikely that he was. However, the sloppy work of the lab tech prevents the NFL from using the evidence against him. Is there some scenario in which the empty but open cup the sample was transferred into was contaminated? Sure, it's possible, but it's pretty unlikely.

This is much more comparable to putting evidence in the same container as something containing the suspect's DNA than it is to a warrant less search. These procedures exist to protect the integrity of the, and when the procedures are violated, so is the integrity and reliability of the test.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

This is much more comparable to putting evidence in the same container as something containing the suspect's DNA than it is to a warrant less search. These procedures exist to protect the integrity of the, and when the procedures are violated, so is the integrity and reliability of the test.

I'm not a big believer in that. There is always the chance of "contamination" when the process isn't followed precisely, but the bigger issue IMO, and the reasons for the set procedure, is the appearance of impropriety. A better example than the warrantless search would be a blood sample not being stored properly in a DUI case. The alcohol still got in the blood somehow, but the person still gets off. In, oh, 98% of cases, the test is still perfectly reliable and the person is guilty. It's entirely possible Sherman was not actually on anything. It's also pretty unlikely given the positive test and the rash of positive tests coming out of his locker room at that time.

 

[JDM]

The exact likelihood doesn't matter. What does is that the chance it is inaccurate is multiplied by several thousand times. The integrity of the test result is completely gone the second the procedures break. A drug test that was 98% successful, using your numbers, isn't acceptable.

 

[cezero]

it's hilarious that anybody gets sand in their clits about PED testing in the NFL.

every player out there does them outside of maybe some quarterbacks. only a complete moron doesn't understand this about the NFL.

the "testing" system is a complete joke. you will never see the NFL or player's association ever vote to implement a legitimate testing system. the only reason MLB is going through the motions with it is because congress got involved thanks to some politicians trying to score some cheap points. politicians will never go near football like that because it would become unwatchable without ubiquitous PED use.

sherman's only crime was being stupid enough to have anything in his system that was detectable. and yeah, it was really stupid of him.

 

[WizardHawk]

I rest my case.

You rest what case? Tell me what I said that proves anything for you.

We know his test results came up dirty for something. What, we don't know. Was it dirty because he was doing something, or was it dirty because of cross contamination due to sloppy transfers at the same time they had been working with other samples that also were dirty (Browner).

He might have done something. Don't know. Just like Kraperdink might have smoked pot while he was drinking with those two losers and the bimbo in that room.

9'er fans can keep trying to change the subject, but it won't work. We get it. I mean I'd be as embarrassed as hell if my teams QB kept representing my team the way he does. Why wouldn't you try to make everything about Sherman, or anyone else. That's all you have here.

 

[cezero]

9'er fans can keep trying to change the subject...

The reality is harsh, so of course they prefer to "Yeah, but Sherman..." instead of face reality.

I pity most 4-9years fans right now. Truly.