Miami Police release Kaepernick incident's 911 tapes

[JDM]

How is getting off because the sample wasn't handled perfectly "proof he did nothing wrong"?

 

[Jikkle]

LOL! ......and so you continue to jump on Sherman despite the fact that he was proven to have done nothing wrong according to the rules and procedures sat in place (does this statement work better for you than "not guilty"???) while at the same time being upset that Kaep was accused of anything?
Sorry but things don't work like this on internet message boards.
Note that I personally have not jumped to any conclusions regarding Kaep, Aldon, Culliver, etc and their guilt. I am just noting that this is a 2 way street and 9er fans cannot reasonably expect everyone to treat them differently than some of their own have treated others. And I am not just referring to Stuporbreaker. There have been plenty of others in recent years.

Not Guilty does not equal innocent and just because you got off on a technicality doesn't mean you didn't do it.

Ryan Braun got off on a technicality as well so because of that we're supposed to believe he wasn't on steroids?

There was nothing to suggest in the process that his sample was tainted and he got off due to a documentation error on the test takers part.

Look I really don't care as like I said earlier that all 32 teams have cheaters on them and I don't think Adderall is some wonder drug that would make Sherman run faster, jump higher, and see a ball going towards him in slow motion.

But let's not pretend that he's some choirboy that would never take something like Adderall while other guys around him are taking it.

 

[cdumler7]

I've never understood why some fans feel like they have to support players in every aspect of their lives just because they are on your team. There are plenty of NFL players that are not perfect boy scouts. I can support their play on the field but it doesn't mean I have to support them as a person. I love Von Miller the player but the person is a whole different story. I think it is pretty obvious that Sherman got off on a technicality in the testing process. Kind of like OJ Simpson got off on a technicality (Yes I understand testing positive is not the same as murdering someone just showing technicalities don't mean innocent).


Again you don't have to support everything every player on the team does. I'm sure every team has somebody that you would rather not do the things they do.

 

[jakedog56]

Ok, forget all this talk about guilt and wrong doing. Was there Adderall found in the sample or not?

Actually I don't believe that what the test failed for was ever officially released. What we do know is that the tester had the sample and the cup was leaking. He then grabbed another cup THAT WAS ALREADY OPEN and transferred the sample into that.
Now, none of us here know anything about the situation beyond that. We have just not been given the details. It is easy to ASS-U-ME guilt but even the 9er fans should be able to admit that this chain of evidence is not valid. The replacement cup may have contained remnants if Browner's sample (he tested positive at the same time) or it could easily contained residue of another substance that triggered a positive result.
Assuming his guilt is apparently very easy but it is also very easy to show that there is a valid reason to believe that he was not.

I for one have never believed that Kaep was guilty of r*pe. The whole story was fishy from the start. But I do question that they are saying he was not there. He was with them earlier and had previously had relations with this psychobimbo (at least I have not heard him deny her statement to this effect) but I am also not going out of my way to convict him on this message board based on the evidence (or lack of it). But (again) you reap what you sow and 9er fans will have to put up with some backlash that some were so quick to inflict on others previously. Internet message board reality.

 

[JDM]

Again, none of that is being "proven to have done nothing wrong".

 

[jakedog56]

Again, none of that is being "proven to have done nothing wrong".

No. But none of it proves any guilt either. It is open to interpretation by the individuals and we all know 9er and Seahawks fans will never give each other the benefit of the doubt. My point is that the 9ers fans jump all over one situation but then are offended when they receive the same treatment in return (generalizing the fanbases here. Not speaking about individuals). Sorry but it is not a realistic expectation.

 

[cdumler7]

No. But none of it proves any guilt either. It is open to interpretation by the individuals and we all know 9er and Seahawks fans will never give each other the benefit of the doubt. My point is that the 9ers fans jump all over one situation but then are offended when they receive the same treatment in return (generalizing the fanbases here. Not speaking about individuals). Sorry but it is not a realistic expectation.

Wouldn't you rather be recognized as the bigger person in the situation that doesn't act like them though? I mean you are upset with 49er fans for doing the very same thing that many Seahawk fans are now doing to them...I guess you can view it as giving them a taste of their own medicine but in reality it is just sinking to that level and making both sides look like jack asses.

 

[JDM]

No. But none of it proves any guilt either. It is open to interpretation by the individuals and we all know 9er and Seahawks fans will never give each other the benefit of the doubt. My point is that the 9ers fans jump all over one situation but then are offended when they receive the same treatment in return (generalizing the fanbases here. Not speaking about individuals). Sorry but it is not a realistic expectation.

But you specifically stated he was proven to have done nothing wrong (which is impossible).

 

[jakedog56]

Wouldn't you rather be recognized as the bigger person in the situation that doesn't act like them though? I mean you are upset with 49er fans for doing the very same thing that many Seahawk fans are now doing to them...I guess you can view it as giving them a taste of their own medicine but in reality it is just sinking to that level and making both sides look like jack asses.

Ummmmm......WTF are you talking about??

Please show me where I have accused Kaep or Aldon or Culliver or any 9er player of being guilty of wrongdoings or gloated about their misadventures/misfortunes. You can't because I haven't done that. In fact I specifically stated earlier that I hadn't so why are you acting like I have?

Sorry. Try again.

 

[cdumler7]

Ummmmm......WTF are you talking about??

Please show me where I have accused Kaep or Aldon or Culliver or any 9er player of being guilty of wrongdoings or gloated about their misadventures/misfortunes. You can't because I haven't done that. In fact I specifically stated earlier that I hadn't so why are you acting like I have?

Sorry. Try again.

Did I say you specifically did this? I think I actually said "many Seahawk fans" not jakedog56. That doesn't mean you. You actually said in your post I responded to that you were not speaking of individuals and neither was I. I was more directing my post to all fans as at some point we all have done this of make fun of our rival for something before the final verdict comes out. It is part of sports I guess. Me personally I like actually talking football not all of this off the field crap that happens during the off season. I know the off season can be long and you begin to run out of things to talk about so I understand why this kind of thing becomes front page news just would rather be talking about the draft right now on here than this crap especially when very little is actually known of what all happened.

 

[dredinis21]

Some 9ers fans harassed Seattle incessantly last year over the PEDs and when Seattle fans noted that they should wait for due process to play out they were laughed at. Even after Sherman was found not guilty 9er fans still insist that he was!

Sorry RV, Robo, etc. The shoe is on the other foot now. 9er fans need to accept that between past fanbase behavior, the offseason arrest flood, and Harbaugh's ridiculous "Above reproach" comment, your team is now subject to some message board abuse. That's the way it is so deal with it.

The draft is here now so this will start fading.

The bolded is the key to what you said. That, IMO, has more to do with your inability to understand the difference between PEDs/Sherman and what happened to Kaep.

How was the PED/Sherman thing leaked? The NFL Front Office

How was the Kaep situation leaked? TMZ

Which of these is more reputable with regards to what is being reported?

With a potential criminal charge, there is due process that must be followed.

A drug test is a pass/fail and Sherman failed.

So the NFL concluded that Sherman failed his drug test. That is due process.

The police hadn't even arrested Kaep yet SEA fans concluded he was guilty of r*pe. That is NOT due process.

Go ahead and try to spin this. I'll wait.

 

[jakedog56]

I am not trying to spin anything. I thought the story seemed pretty bogus from the start.

 

[jakedog56]

Did I say you specifically did this? I think I actually said "many Seahawk fans" not jakedog56. That doesn't mean you. You actually said in your post I responded to that you were not speaking of individuals and neither was I. I was more directing my post to all fans as at some point we all have done this of make fun of our rival for something before the final verdict comes out. It is part of sports I guess. Me personally I like actually talking football not all of this off the field crap that happens during the off season. I know the off season can be long and you begin to run out of things to talk about so I understand why this kind of thing becomes front page news just would rather be talking about the draft right now on here than this crap especially when very little is actually known of what all happened.

You quoted my post in your response. That would seem to indicate that it was directed at me.

 

[dredinis21]

I am not trying to spin anything. I thought the story seemed pretty bogus from the start.

You cannot come down on Niner fans as if they jumped the gun and claimed something before due process was seen when in fact it had. That was my point.

 

[jakedog56]

The bolded is the key to what you said. That, IMO, has more to do with your inability to understand the difference between PEDs/Sherman and what happened to Kaep.

How was the PED/Sherman thing leaked? The NFL Front Office

How was the Kaep situation leaked? TMZ

Which of these is more reputable with regards to what is being reported?

With a potential criminal charge, there is due process that must be followed.

A drug test is a pass/fail and Sherman failed.

So the NFL concluded that Sherman failed his drug test. That is due process.

The police hadn't even arrested Kaep yet SEA fans concluded he was guilty of r*pe. That is NOT due process.

Go ahead and try to spin this. I'll wait.

I will state you are correct in a drug test is pass/fail but the NFL has agreed that he did not fail. So where does that leave your lynch-mob theory?

 

[dredinis21]

I will state you are correct in a drug test is pass/fail but the NFL has agreed that he did not fail. So where does that leave your lynch-mob theory?

That was an appeal to the original verdict. The verdict was overturned on a bullshit technicality but the original verdict was in fact DUE PROCESS.

 

[cdumler7]

You quoted my post in your response. That would seem to indicate that it was directed at me.

You had made the comment that 49er fans should have expected this from Seattle fans since they did it first. I was just responding to that comment that just because somebody did something first doesn't mean you have to do the exact same thing back to them. Again it wasn't calling you out as one of those people doing that it was just in response to what you wrote.

 

[jakedog56]

You had made the comment that 49er fans should have expected this from Seattle fans since they did it first. I was just responding to that comment that just because somebody did something first doesn't mean you have to do the exact same thing back to them. Again it wasn't calling you out as one of those people doing that it was just in response to what you wrote.

Fair enough.
I agree that it would be nice to have the high road taken but I am dealing in reality here and it ain't gonna happen on a message board, especially when it is a beef between 9er and Seahawks fans.

 

[jakedog56]

That was an appeal to the original verdict. The verdict was overturned on a bullshit technicality but the original verdict was in fact DUE PROCESS.

LOL! " Bullshit technicality"! What a load of crap.
Sherman's sample was contaminated. Thus, no proof of anything at all. The NFL (which you state is a solid source) agrees on that point.
Give it up already.

 

[WizardHawk]

Ok, forget all this talk about guilt and wrong doing. Was there Adderall found in the sample or not?

I love all of these experts on this site.

We have no idea what was in that sample. It is against the CBA rules for that information to be disclosed to the public EVER. All we know is it came up dirty for something. What that was is nothing but speculation. Could have been far worse than adderall or something even less. We don't know and will never know.

What do we know about this incident? Kaepernick WAS there with two other players and some chick he had reportedly had sex with at some prior date/time. There was alcohol and pot in use. Kaepernick allegedly took the girl into a room and got her undressed and left saying he would return. Lockett called the cops a couple of times trying to get the chick out of the room. She is reported to have been refusing to get dressed and leave apparently waiting for Kaepernick to return.

Those are the facts as we know it. If SF fans are happy about their QB being in those kinds of situations then by all means support and defend him to your hearts content. To not expect others to make fun of it makes you look kind of stupid. He used questionable judgement all over the place that day. That others are making more out of it than what is known shouldn't surprise anyone. Maybe spend more of your energy pushing for your franchise QB to grow the fuck up and stop being such a douche in the public spotlight. Might be more productive.