Mayhew Draft Picks

[jayfan]

I see one very good draft, and 5 ok-to-poor ones.

 

[LPinSLC]

Nah, they all up and runnoft to form their own colony. Indiana, I believe is what they decided to cal it...

R U N N O F T

 

[LionsWhyMe]

Take off those blinders for a few minutes you homer fucking douche. You might enjoy seeing the real world for what it is.

I see the NFL as a Business and the Lions don't have the Fan Base to be winners in the NFL Script. The Lions are really over paid actors for the NFL. Can I put blinders on to see what you see?

 

[Dr. Evil-er]

I see the NFL as a Business and the Lions don't have the Fan Base to be winners in the NFL Script. The Lions are really over paid actors for the NFL. Can I put blinders on to see what you see?

Am I the one wearing blinders? That is certainly possible, I am most definitely in the minority with my view of the front office.

What I see is a team that has continually been held back by ownership and mgmt. Ford Sr.'s commitment to loyalty was horribly misplaced in the NFL game. It's commendable in the auto business to people working hard to support their families but the NFL is exclusively about winning in an environment of the top 1% of earners. There can't loyalty there, its win or get out. That's why they are compensated the way they are. They aren't on the streets or struggling to pay the bills when let go like an auto worker.

Mayhew didn't belong in a front office job to begin with, let alone a GM role. Zero qualifications, no background, and no skill set for the job. The dude was a player and had a law degree and absolutely nothing more. How does that find you a senior level role with an NFL franchise? He was a big part of the worst run in the history of any franchise and became our GM.

Lewand is far more incompetent than even Mayhew. He was basically a professional student who managed the U of M football team, whatever the hell that means. They don't have a salary cap to work with nor any of the other associated responsibilities that would be part of running an NFL franchise. He was somehow hired to be our cap specialist. Dear god on what qualifications did he bring? All he was prior to that was a fucking student. I hold five degrees, 10 years of managerial experience, and work with almost $700m of assets. In all honesty, which one of the two of us at least offers a background and qualifications for that job? (please don't take that to be me saying I should be the Lions president for crying out loud, its merely an example of how unqualified he was).

I don't think anyone is confused as to just how much I dislike those two asshats and that's why. I am not even remotely surprised that they haven't brought success to the team. What surprises and infuriates me is that they are still employed and seemingly so well thought of on this board. I'm fine being in the minority on this issue but until we have more to show than two wildcard losses and a never ending string of just baffling decisions on cap mgmt that has kept us in trouble for as long as I can remember (the Suh situation is a perfect example of that) I'm going to continue hating on those worthless fucks until they hit the unemployment line and never work in the NFL again.

 

[Dr. Evil-er]

Just so its known before I am thrown into the "hater" group I wrote that then promptly called the Lions to inquire about seat upgrades and possibly buying an additional block of four seats.

 

[Microwahevo]

Am I the one wearing blinders? That is certainly possible, I am most definitely in the minority with my view of the front office.

What I see is a team that has continually been held back by ownership and mgmt. Ford Sr.'s commitment to loyalty was horribly misplaced in the NFL game. It's commendable in the auto business to people working hard to support their families but the NFL is exclusively about winning in an environment of the top 1% of earners. There can't loyalty there, its win or get out. That's why they are compensated the way they are. They aren't on the streets or struggling to pay the bills when let go like an auto worker.

Mayhew didn't belong in a front office job to begin with, let alone a GM role. Zero qualifications, no background, and no skill set for the job. The dude was a player and had a law degree and absolutely nothing more. How does that find you a senior level role with an NFL franchise? He was a big part of the worst run in the history of any franchise and became our GM.

Lewand is far more incompetent than even Mayhew. He was basically a professional student who managed the U of M football team, whatever the hell that means. They don't have a salary cap to work with nor any of the other associated responsibilities that would be part of running an NFL franchise. He was somehow hired to be our cap specialist. Dear god on what qualifications did he bring? All he was prior to that was a fucking student. I hold five degrees, 10 years of managerial experience, and work with almost $700m of assets. In all honesty, which one of the two of us at least offers a background and qualifications for that job? (please don't take that to be me saying I should be the Lions president for crying out loud, its merely an example of how unqualified he was).

I don't think anyone is confused as to just how much I dislike those two asshats and that's why. I am not even remotely surprised that they haven't brought success to the team. What surprises and infuriates me is that they are still employed and seemingly so well thought of on this board. I'm fine being in the minority on this issue but until we have more to show than two wildcard losses and a never ending string of just baffling decisions on cap mgmt that has kept us in trouble for as long as I can remember (the Suh situation is a perfect example of that) I'm going to continue hating on those worthless fucks until they hit the unemployment line and never work in the NFL again.

 

[LionsWhyMe]

Am I the one wearing blinders? That is certainly possible, I am most definitely in the minority with my view of the front office.

I believe so... if any "TWO PEOPLE" deserve the blame for the Lions Organization state it would fall on William Clay Ford's old age and Matt Millen. "The Wonder Twins" had nothing to with the "NFL" changing the way Rookies get paid. The Lions have 3 HUGE CONTRACTS on the wrong side of NFL changes. More than half of the Salary Cap for three players and everyone wants miracles for 50 other players for what's left. You wont find another Trio of players in the NFL taking up so much Cap Space.

 

[jdwills126]

I don't think Roary is incompetent. Took out Charles good a few years ago.

Overall personnel decisions in the last 5 years have been good, but not great, for me. Draft picks have been, IMO, above average. The signing of CJ's extension was not well managed financially (overall dollars fine, but some of the cap hits stupid). The Suh situation is a pure management failure that should get somebody canned. The past coaching staffs were abysmal failures. The current coaching staff so far appear to be excellent hires except OC. I liked the old Lions logo better than the new one. Someone needs to get Barry back on the payroll come hell or high water. Make him VP of hand-shaking and picture appearance.

I would really like to know who was responsible for some of the moves Mayhew or Xanders.

Overall Detroit's drafting ability is average to poor. Yes you get credit for Levy, Slay, and Ansah but that pales when looking at high picks that are huge bust like LeShoure, Young, and Broyles. Not to mention risk reward that turned out to be risk like Best. And I am not holding out hope for Ebron but it is to soon to call him a bust.

As for the Suh situation I think that is an fate that would play out regardless who was in charge, he wants to leave. He wants to play on the West Coast.

 

[tpaulus_2]

R U N N O F T

Never trust a Hogwallop.

 

[Old Lion]

Don't forget about the inbred hillbillies with fourteen toes and a third ball that you grow there as well.

 

[Dr. Evil-er]

I just don't agree

I believe so... if any "TWO PEOPLE" deserve the blame for the Lions Organization state it would fall on William Clay Ford's old age and Matt Millen. "The Wonder Twins" had nothing to with the "NFL" changing the way Rookies get paid. The Lions have 3 HUGE CONTRACTS on the wrong side of NFL changes. More than half of the Salary Cap for three players and everyone wants miracles for 50 other players for what's left. You wont find another Trio of players in the NFL taking up so much Cap Space.

Those contracts were all workable. It's all a matter of how you layer in the hits amongst all of the contracts on the team. Just because you have 3 players who each have $18m/avg deals does not mean that you have $54m spent each year on them.

Dead $ is a part of the cap game as well and is a tool when used correctly can be a huge benefit. So is the rollover option. I talked about this last offseason when I argued with TP about keep Sims. I suggested cutting him, not just because he absolutely sucks donkey balks, but his $3m+ in savings could be rolled into this year.

Instead we kept him and restructured Bush's contract so the cap savings in cutting him is now greatly reduced. The business end of the game can be almost as important as roster construction because one supports the other and we are simply dreadful on the business end.

I don't have a scouting background to evaluate players but I do have a business background and that's much easier to evaluate. We fucking suck there!! It's that simple. You cannot use restructuring as your only tool for cap mgmt. that's what got us in trouble, not large rookie contracts. Lewand lacks the vision, creativity, and forethought for the job and it shows in his complete lack of success.

 

[LionsWhyMe]

Those contracts were all workable. It's all a matter of how you layer in the hits amongst all of the contracts on the team. Just because you have 3 players who each have $18m/avg deals does not mean that you have $54m spent each year on them.

Those contracts are workable "IF" the players are in agreement.

Dead $ is a part of the cap game as well and is a tool when used correctly can be a huge benefit. So is the rollover option. I talked about this last offseason when I argued with TP about keep Sims. I suggested cutting him, not just because he absolutely sucks donkey balks, but his $3m+ in savings could be rolled into this year.

Instead we kept him and restructured Bush's contract so the cap savings in cutting him is now greatly reduced. The business end of the game can be almost as important as roster construction because one supports the other and we are simply dreadful on the business end.

Were up to 5 players now and 48 other players wanna get paid. But I'm guessing 3 HUGE Contracts had nothing to with that, RIGHT? Rookies don't get to hold out until they get what they think their worth anymore. But since the Lions have three of the best players in the NFL were now running into the veterans pay of what they think their worth.

I don't have a scouting background to evaluate players but I do have a business background and that's much easier to evaluate. We fucking suck there!! It's that simple. You cannot use restructuring as your only tool for cap mgmt. that's what got us in trouble, not large rookie contracts.

I disagree... what got us in trouble was WC Ford signing Millen to another 5 extension and the NFL changing the Rookie pay scale. By your standards the Wonder Twins are going to be Damn if they sign Suh and Damn if they don't. You can't set there and tell me that Suh isn't in the Drivers Seat.

 

[jdwills126]

Those contracts were all workable. It's all a matter of how you layer in the hits amongst all of the contracts on the team. Just because you have 3 players who each have $18m/avg deals does not mean that you have $54m spent each year on them.

Dead $ is a part of the cap game as well and is a tool when used correctly can be a huge benefit. So is the rollover option. I talked about this last offseason when I argued with TP about keep Sims. I suggested cutting him, not just because he absolutely sucks donkey balks, but his $3m+ in savings could be rolled into this year.

Instead we kept him and restructured Bush's contract so the cap savings in cutting him is now greatly reduced. The business end of the game can be almost as important as roster construction because one supports the other and we are simply dreadful on the business end.

I don't have a scouting background to evaluate players but I do have a business background and that's much easier to evaluate. We fucking suck there!! It's that simple. You cannot use restructuring as your only tool for cap mgmt. that's what got us in trouble, not large rookie contracts. Lewand lacks the vision, creativity, and forethought for the job and it shows in his complete lack of success.

My biggest problem with continuous reworking of large deals is the Lions are just adding more years and cost. The Lions need to stop kicking CJ's and Stafford's cans down the road. CJ's production will not be worth the cost and if Stafford can't get over the hump at some point you have to think about replacing him.

If you keep deferring salary the Lions will be paying a 34-35 year old for the production of a 3-4 year star receiver.

I don't get the sentimental affliction most fans have for some guys. Teams like New England win because they move on from players on the downside of their careers. CJ has been a great receiver but he is now an 1100-1200 yard guy at best with injury concerns. Not a 1500-1600 guy that will play 14-16 games a season.

I get wanting to keep Suh but I would not want to be saddled with CJ at 15-18 million a year for 5 years or Stafford for 8 years at 18 million.

 

[LionsWhyMe]

Teams like New England win because they move on from players on the downside of their careers.

1. The NFL will allow the Patriots to win and they'll even help them from time to time on calls.
2. Pro Bowlers will take a pay cut to play for the Patriots.
3. The Patriots can cheat and only lose Draft pick(s) and/or Find.
4. The Patriots have a top 10 Fan Base.

The Patriots are the AFC East League's Pet just like the Packers are the NFC North League's Pet.

 

[tpaulus_2]

1. The NFL will allow the Patriots to win and they'll even help them from time to time on calls.
2. Pro Bowlers will take a pay cut to play for the Patriots.
3. The Patriots can cheat and only lose Draft pick(s) and/or Find.
4. The Patriots have a top 10 Fan Base.

The Patriots are the AFC East League's Pet just like the Packers are the NFC North League's Pet.

The Lions have a top 10 fan base, too. And I'm not saying that because I'm biased, in terms of sheer numbers, we always crack the top ten when they rank the "biggest" fan bases. I've also seen us go relatively high when ESPN ranked the "best" fan bases as far as most loyal/avid. We got big props on that one for sticking around with such a perpetually horrible team (this was in like '07, I think...).

 

[Microwahevo]

CJ has been a great receiver but he is now an 1100-1200 yard guy at best with injury concerns. Not a 1500-1600 guy that will play 14-16 games a season.

Huh? So b/c he played last season with an injury, and still put up over 1,000 yards and played 13 games, means he'll NEVER hit 1500 yards again? Let's not forget our O-coordinator was brand new to the position and imo sucked ass. He even admitted he didn't know how to use CJ properly til near the end of the season.

However, if CJ only gets 1100-1200 yards a season, but Tate also has over 1,000 yards in those seasons, and we consistently get double digit wins, then CJ is well worth his money. And I will take that every season. How soon we forget the horrible seasons and players we've had before.

 

[jdwills126]

Huh? So b/c he played last season with an injury, and still put up over 1,000 yards and played 13 games, means he'll NEVER hit 1500 yards again? Let's not forget our O-coordinator was brand new to the position and imo sucked ass. He even admitted he didn't know how to use CJ properly til near the end of the season.

However, if CJ only gets 1100-1200 yards a season, but Tate also has over 1,000 yards in those seasons, and we consistently get double digit wins, then CJ is well worth his money. And I will take that every season. How soon we forget the horrible seasons and players we've had before.

You believe CJ is going to be a 1500 yard guy again? Not only is Detroit's offense more conservative but he will have more and more injury concerns. I will not go as far as saying he will not but I don't like his chances. The Lions pay guys for past performance and they will not get to the point of New England until they pay guys for future performance. I appreciate what CJ has done but I would not pay him going forward for what he did in the past when I doubt he will revisit those numbers. I would not pay him like a 1500 yard guy for the next 5 years but thats what happens when you rework deals to spread the signing bonus out longer. They become untraceable and uncuttable.

As for the Patriots getting help? Same way Dallas did, and then Green Bay did? They are a well run organization that makes very few mistakes with contracts. Letting guys like Wes Welker go a year or two early than a year or two late is why they don't have salary cap issues like Detroit.

Since Mayhew has been in charge of the cap Detroit has had constant issues. From dead money on wideouts to over paying guys like Cory Redding.

 

[tpaulus_2]

You believe CJ is going to be a 1500 yard guy again? Not only is Detroit's offense more conservative but he will have more and more injury concerns. I will not go as far as saying he will not but I don't like his chances. The Lions pay guys for past performance and they will not get to the point of New England until they pay guys for future performance. I appreciate what CJ has done but I would not pay him going forward for what he did in the past when I doubt he will revisit those numbers. I would not pay him like a 1500 yard guy for the next 5 years but thats what happens when you rework deals to spread the signing bonus out longer. They become untraceable and uncuttable.

As for the Patriots getting help? Same way Dallas did, and then Green Bay did? They are a well run organization that makes very few mistakes with contracts. Letting guys like Wes Welker go a year or two early than a year or two late is why they don't have salary cap issues like Detroit.

Since Mayhew has been in charge of the cap Detroit has had constant issues. From dead money on wideouts to over paying guys like Cory Redding.

Can I get the winning lottery numbers this week? I can't see into the future like you apparently have figured out how to do. That's a handy skill to have...

 

[tpaulus_2]

You believe CJ is going to be a 1500 yard guy again? Not only is Detroit's offense more conservative but he will have more and more injury concerns. I will not go as far as saying he will not but I don't like his chances. The Lions pay guys for past performance and they will not get to the point of New England until they pay guys for future performance. I appreciate what CJ has done but I would not pay him going forward for what he did in the past when I doubt he will revisit those numbers. I would not pay him like a 1500 yard guy for the next 5 years but thats what happens when you rework deals to spread the signing bonus out longer. They become untraceable and uncuttable.

As for the Patriots getting help? Same way Dallas did, and then Green Bay did? They are a well run organization that makes very few mistakes with contracts. Letting guys like Wes Welker go a year or two early than a year or two late is why they don't have salary cap issues like Detroit.

Since Mayhew has been in charge of the cap Detroit has had constant issues. From dead money on wideouts to over paying guys like Cory Redding.

One of the first things Mayhew did when he took over was to trade Redding for Julian Peterson. Redding got his deal done in 2007, when Millen was in charge.

 

[Rollingthndr]

Jamies Winston- Feel bad for Bucs fans. At least they have a stud in Mike Evans