Looking forward, on defense . . .

[j_y19]

You apparently are continuing to miss what I'm saying. I've already, as I've done countless times, admitted to the lack of personnel, via injuries or otherwise. My point is that Barry could've done better with them with a better gameplan in the GB game. Please note narrow focus of my point --> i.e., the game yesterday. As for other d-coors, I haven't looked yet, but I'm sure I could find one that would be better than Barry. I knew we were in trouble when Vic Fangio picked the Bears over us.

Oh, Im sure there are plenty of DCs better than Barry. Why would they come here? You just fired the one you hired a year ago who many believe did an OK job given the situation he was in with regards to injuries.

I also noticed you arent touching the explanation I asked of you as to the valid point you made that Barry did alter his scheme for the Giants game. It appears you are getting a bit crossed up?

 

[redskinsfan]

Oh, Im sure there are plenty of DCs better than Barry. Why would they come here? You just fired the one you hired a year ago who many believe did an OK job given the situation he was in with regards to injuries.

I also noticed you arent touching the explanation I asked of you as to the valid point you made that Barry did alter his scheme for the Giants game. It appears you are getting a bit crossed up?

No, I'm not getting crossed up. The fact that he adjusted in the Giants game shows how our defense can stack up to a good passing attack. In turn, my point then became, if we could stack up against that Giant passing attack, why not do the same thing with a Packer passing offense that was, as of yesterday, inferior to the Giants' passing attack we saw them the second time around?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Oh, Im sure there are plenty of DCs better than Barry. Why would they come here? You just fired the one you hired a year ago who many believe did an OK job given the situation he was in with regards to injuries.

I also noticed you arent touching the explanation I asked of you as to the valid point you made that Barry did alter his scheme for the Giants game. It appears you are getting a bit crossed up?

Yep - cut to the chase. Names please or else the pt is a joke. You can't just say "I know there are at least 5 D coordinators who would do better, but I can't even name one". This is the grass is greener syndrome.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

No, I'm not getting crossed up. The fact that he adjusted in the Giants game shows how our defense can stack up to a good passing attack. In turn, my point then became, if we could stack up against that Giant passing attack, why not do the same thing with a Packer passing offense that was, as of yesterday, inferior to the Giants' passing attack we saw them the second time around?

And again - a Packers offense that had an actual running game & a defense considerably better than the Giants. The Redskins also had a somewhat healthier defense at the time. Oh well - I guess none of that matters.

 

[redskinsfan]

Yep - cut to the chase. Names please or else the pt is a joke. You can't just say "I know there are at least 5 D coordinators who would do better, but I can't even name one". This is the grass is greener syndrome.

Well, give us time and we'll come up with some okay?

 

[redskinsfan]

And again - a Packers offense that had an actual running game & a defense considerably better than the Giants. The Redskins also had a somewhat healthier defense at the time. Oh well - I guess none of that matters.

What does the defense matter in an issue involving how we play their offense? Also, the Giants offense was ranked 8th overall and had the sixth best scoring offense. Not sure how this all helps your point.

Also, GB's offense finished 23rd overall and 15 in scoring.

 

[j_y19]

No, I'm not getting crossed up. The fact that he adjusted in the Giants game shows how our defense can stack up to a good passing attack. In turn, my point then became, if we could stack up against that Giant passing attack, why not do the same thing with a Packer passing offense that was, as of yesterday, inferior to the Giants' passing attack we saw them the second time around?

you are crossed up. Your claim was he never deviated from his philosophy on zone coverage and minimal blitzing. But then you pointed out he did. I think you used the phrase that he was too stupid, a moron, etc., and unable to adapt. You can't have it both ways. Since you already proved that he did adapt in the Giants game, ask yourself, honestly, why didn't he do it yesterday???? The rest of us know why and have explained it to you. You discount our explanation. What is yours?

 

[j_y19]

What does the defense matter in an issue involving how we play their offense? Also, the Giants offense was ranked 8th overall and had the sixth best scoring offense. Not sure how this all helps your point.

Huh??? What does the defense matter in how you play an opposing offense? Seriously???

 

[redskinsfan]

you are crossed up. Your claim was he never deviated from his philosophy on zone coverage and minimal blitzing. But then you pointed out he did. I think you used the phrase that he was too stupid, a moron, etc., and unable to adapt. You can't have it both ways. Since you already proved that he did adapt in the Giants game, ask yourself, honestly, why didn't he do it yesterday???? The rest of us know why and have explained it to you. You discount our explanation. What is yours?

Nope, I never said that. Read what I wrote. Barry did change up in certain situations and in certain games. To that end, he's to be commended. Overall, however, you're correct: my point has been that he's employed the same type of defense. While the Giants game proved to be an anomaly, he should've used that as a lesson going forward. He didn't.

 

[redskinsfan]

Huh??? What does the defense matter in how you play an opposing offense? Seriously???

Read my point again: what does an opposing team's defense (i.e., Clay Matthews and others) matter when playing an opposing offense (i.e., Rodgers).

 

[j_y19]

Nope, I never said that. Read what I wrote. Barry did change up in certain situations and in certain games. To that end, he's to be commended. Overall, however, you're correct: my point has been that he's employed the same type of defense. While the Giants game proved to be an anomaly, he should've used that as a lesson going forward. He didn't.

I no longer have the patience to go back through your 100 posts and find it, but you did say it. Maybe the other term you used was he was unable, but I definitely remember you saying he wouldn't. Now you say it was an analmoly.....OK. Why didn't he do it yesterday?

 

[redskinsfan]

I no longer have the patience to go back through your 100 posts and find it, but you did say it. Maybe the other term you used was he was unable, but I definitely remember you saying he wouldn't. Now you say it was an analmoly.....OK. Why didn't he do it yesterday?

I did say that. Trust me. And why didn't he do that yesterday? Good question! That's my point. Why didn't he do it?

 

[redskinsfan]

As for changes in the offing, consider this. Not sure if this refers to changes in the coaching staff, but we shall see.

 

[j_y19]

here you go

With Barry, he's just an idiot who embraces a defensive strategy and sticks by it no matter what the situation or circumstances. Whether it's his refusal to blitz when an opposing QB has all day to throw, his insistence on keeping certain CBs on one side of the field that leave others like Will Blackmon or Quinton Dunbar on WRs like Odell Beckham, or what happened today, the guy lacks one key thing most coaches do, and that's the ability to adjust to what's happening on the field.

Apparently you did cross yourself up or at least contradicted yourself.

 

[redskinsfan]

here you go



Apparently you did cross yourself up or at least contradicted yourself.

That is a general statement, which is nothing different than saying that Rodgers is one of the best QBs in the NFL.

 

[j_y19]

I did say that. Trust me. And why didn't he do that yesterday? Good question! That's my point. Why didn't he do it?

We've attempted to explain why. We don't have the talent on the field to run that aggressive type of defense. We nether have the pass rush required nor the aggressive cover corners to do it. Breeland is the only one still standing that might be able to provide that type of coverage. And God forbid DHall has to cover deep. I don't think I've seen him break up one pass yet this year since he moved to FS. But I have seen him give up multiple long plays by being late to the coverage. When we have Seattle's secondary, we can play that type of defense.

What killed our defense yesterday wasn't the 220 yards we gave up in passes. It was the 140 yards of rushing and the no huddle offense employed by Rodgers to keep us from subbing. Our defense was completely gassed by the 4th QTR. That is why we could no longer apply pressure to Rodgers.

 

[j_y19]

That is a general statement, which is nothing different than saying that Rodgers is one of the best QBs in the NFL.

HA! Now that is a massive rationalization if Ive ever seen one. That was the whole premise of your need to fire Barry. Now you say it was just a general statement. That you never said. Or so you said. I'm done.

 

[redskinsfan]

We've attempted to explain why. We don't have the talent on the field to run that aggressive type of defense. We nether have the pass rush required nor the aggressive cover corners to do it. Breeland is the only one still standing that might be able to provide that type of coverage. And God forbid DHall has to cover deep. I don't think I've seen him break up one pass yet this year since he moved to FS. But I have seen him give up multiple long plays by being late to the coverage. When we have Seattle's secondary, we can play that type of defense.

What killed our defense yesterday wasn't the 220 yards we gave up in passes. It was the 140 yards of rushing and the no huddle offense employed by Rodgers to keep us from subbing. Our defense was completely gassed by the 4th QTR. That is why we could no longer apply pressure to Rodgers.

And the explanation is lacking. If we could play press coverage against the Giants, we could certainly do the same thing against the Pack. And why was our defense gassed? Because we let them play small ball most of the second and third quarter.

 

[redskinsfan]

HA! Now that is a massive rationalization if Ive ever seen one. That was the whole premise of your need to fire Barry. Now you say it was just a general statement. That you never said. Or so you said. I'm done.

It certainly is not. My statement about Barry was one that applied to his philosophy over the season. I can point to certain instances when he did deviate. Sorry if you can't appreciate that.

 

[j_y19]

And the explanation is lacking. If we could play press coverage against the Giants, we could certainly do the same thing against the Pack. And why was our defense gassed? Because we let them play small ball most of the second and third quarter.

Whatever you say. Because it makes no difference. You will deny it later.