lip reading 101

[puckhead]

Simmons to Avery:

ryan lambert - make up your own mind on what wayne simmonds called sean avery (could also have been "frodo baggins?"): - Twitvid

 

[flyersfan4706]

fucking faggot

 

[davnlaguna]

I miss Wayne and his references to popular movies.
I was on a cruise with Kings players a couple of years ago. Wayne's room was a couple of rooms down. He was swearing in the hall and then saw my wife and stopped and got this aw shucks look on his face. She laughed. Thought it was funny that a hockey player would be embarrassed about swearing.



edit oh my. Just read a few stories and they are tying the racial banana and this together and saying that the league should fine him like in Basket ball

 

[Automattic]

If the high heel fits...

 

[awaz]

the broadcast tonight got all the language you could want.. not sure if the link refers to it but

"you better calm down or i'm going to fucking kill giroux, fuck you"
-avery to sestito

aired loud and clear. couple more f-bombs afterwards too. no need for lip reading.

 

[awaz]

and yes, he's a fucking faggot.. turtled again tonight, then took a penalty for bitching to the ref after simmonds laid him out

 

[jstewismybastardson]

I am somewhat of an expert in this field (as I once aced Liguistics 101 ... the wonder of words )

what we have here is the perfect subject for lip reading ... a large tongued black man with pearly whites




i will concern myself only with the last word

first we see a voiceless labio dental fricative (say it with me: "fa" ... "fa" ... "fa")

next a voiced velar plosive (say it with me: "gah" ... "gah" ... "gah")

lastly a voicless alveolar plosive coming from the dorsal region (say it with me: "tuh" ... "tuh" ... "tuh")

 

[The Q stache]

Anyone who acts like Avery deserves having that said to him is being hypocritical. Simmonds has the banana thrown at him and everyone freaks out, as we should, but we just act like avery deserves to have himself called a F****t cause he is a douche. Slurs like that are just as bad as racial slurs, I lost alot of respect for simmonds right there.

 

[awaz]

Anyone who acts like Avery deserves having that said to him is being hypocritical. Simmonds has the banana thrown at him and everyone freaks out, as we should, but we just act like avery deserves to have himself called a F****t cause he is a douche. Slurs like that are just as bad as racial slurs, I lost alot of respect for simmonds right there.

i suppose thats valid.. however.. i think the two are slightly different.. the term used tonight has been used as a 'making fun of you' type term for similarly as long as its been used as a (not racial, but i cant think of the word) term (as far as i know, i'm pretty young though).. society has changed the meaning of that term IMO.. i know i use it more than i should, but i have no disrespect towards homosexuals.. as far as i'm concerned you can love whoever you want, just dont force your beliefs on me, and dont be an attention whore (i dont like straight attention whores either)..

you could argue that its kind of sad that the term has developed that way, but i do think they are different.. especially when used in a situation that doesn't involve homosexuals at all..

 

[awaz]

upon further review, i did forget avery backed same sex marriage.. so i guess homosexuality was related to the topic.. in that case, i'll agree, it was wrong

still think the way i do about the word itself though.. so the above is still true for other situations

 

[awaz]

so i'm ranting to myself here.. clearly your post got in my head, and i have nothing to do tonight haha

but back to defending simmonds.. he didnt make a big deal over the race incident, that was all the media.. his response to the questions was that it was unfortunate that it happened and that he isn't going to waste time talking about it... obviously a little biased, but i think this is a case of 'dont dish it out unless you can take it'.. with avery being the one dishing it out but not being able to take it..

fwiw, simmonds also said in the post game that he didnt remember anything specific (aka he said it) but that he didnt think he crossed any lines from what is normally said on the ice.. and when questioned about anything avery said that he thought was offensive he said he didn't remember again, and that he wasn't going to rat anyone out..

not that its a huge defense since being a bigger man than sean avery isn't a tough feat.. still a defense.. its not like simmonds threatened (empty threat or not) to kill another player..

 

[quoipourquoi]

upon further review, i did forget avery backed same sex marriage.. so i guess homosexuality was related to the topic.. in that case, i'll agree, it was wrong

still think the way i do about the word itself though.. so the above is still true for other situations

I understand what you mean, as the word itself has for a great many years been used as a common insult in sports, but as you have acknowledged, Avery's activism for the gay rights movement makes this a hard one to call.

The world isn't going to change overnight, so I do not anticipate every athlete to have expunged the F word from their vocabulary, especially when things get heated. But for this to have been used against Avery specifically is very much not a good situation.

If it was anyone but Wayne Simmonds, it would be easy to say we should throw the book at him to make an example, but with what happened to Simmonds just this past week, it puts a terrible awkward spin on everything. I do not envy Brendan Shanahan right now, but despite the horrifically offensive banana incident, if I was in Shanahan's shoes, I would set the precedent here: That word is not acceptable in the NHL and Simmonds needs to be suspended just like James "Cock Sucker" Wisniewski.

 

[awaz]

I understand what you mean, as the word itself has for a great many years been used as a common insult in sports, but as you have acknowledged, Avery's activism for the gay rights movement makes this a hard one to call.

The world isn't going to change overnight, so I do not anticipate every athlete to have expunged the F word from their vocabulary, especially when things get heated. But for this to have been used against Avery specifically is very much not a good situation.

If it was anyone but Wayne Simmonds, it would be easy to say we should throw the book at him to make an example, but with what happened to Simmonds just this past week, it puts a terrible awkward spin on everything. I do not envy Brendan Shanahan right now, but despite the horrifically offensive banana incident, if I was in Shanahan's shoes, I would set the precedent here: That word is not acceptable in the NHL and Simmonds needs to be suspended just like James "Cock Sucker" Wisniewski.

unfortunately i think thats what they should, and probably will do

but honestly, the world needs to get thicker skin.. they're words.. what happened to 'sticks and stones'?

 

[Vadered]

unfortunately i think thats what they should, and probably will do

but honestly, the world needs to get thicker skin.. they're words.. what happened to 'sticks and stones'?

And let's say somebody called Simmonds the n-word. He should just let that roll off his back, right?

The whole reason that racial and homophobic slurs are bad isn't because they are a descriptor of a race or sexual preference. If that were the case, then describing somebody as gay or black would be just as bad as the slurs. The reason that they are bad is because people use them as insults. When somebody uses an insult as a descriptor, they create a connotation between that insult and everyone it is describing. It's surprising how toxic that can be both to them and society around them. And yeah, sticks and stones apply when somebody is calling you a terrible player or insulting your mother, but not for hate speech.

And I think Simmonds (and every player who uses any kind of slurs) should get sensitivity training. You can't make excuses because he's black - a homophobic black guy is just as much a prick as a racist gay guy. You just can't say stuff like that on TV while you represent a sports team. You have to be role models, and stuff like that sets the league back.

 

[Automattic]

This is only really a story because a lot of media, that doesn't give two shits about hockey, all of the sudden had a shocking story.


My favorite part of the whole thing is that Avery said he was going to kill somebody, but instead...."OH NO, SOMEBODY QUESTIONED MY MANHOOD!!"

Don't worry Sean, nobody thinks your a homosexual. We think you don't have any testicles.

 

[SLY]

Senisitivity training? Were going a little too far here...

 

[SuperFlyer13]

I can't believe you fuckin faggots are even entertaining sticking up for Avery, lol.

 

[Automattic]

And let's say somebody called Simmonds the n-word. He should just let that roll off his back, right?
The whole reason that racial and homophobic slurs are bad isn't because they are a descriptor of a race or sexual preference. If that were the case, then describing somebody as gay or black would be just as bad as the slurs. The reason that they are bad is because people use them as insults. When somebody uses an insult as a descriptor, they create a connotation between that insult and everyone it is describing. It's surprising how toxic that can be both to them and society around them. And yeah, sticks and stones apply when somebody is calling you a terrible player or insulting your mother, but not for hate speech.

And I think Simmonds (and every player who uses any kind of slurs) should get sensitivity training. You can't make excuses because he's black - a homophobic black guy is just as much a prick as a racist gay guy. You just can't say stuff like that on TV while you represent a sports team. You have to be role models, and stuff like that sets the league back.

That's the thing. I bet it does happen all the time. And he does let it roll off his back. Actually, he said so earlier this week.


Bottom line in this case, imo, is that Sean's feelings we're never hurt. He just wanted attention. Imagine that!?

 

[dash]

Maybe Wayne was just singing "Money for Nothing"?!?

 

[jstewismybastardson]

Bobmac:

DD (dreger) also says $2,500 fine is likely most Simmonds gets for uttering slur (no audio, only video). Jacques (ANA) hearing 2day, Sestito 2morrow.

lebrun:

Colin Campbell, not Brendan Shanahan, will be chatting shortly with Wayne Simmonds for his alleged slur towards Sean Avery

little known fact, Colie is vice president of gay related discipline