Kliff Kingsbury

[kbso83432]

Sorry but I think he would be a fool to take either of those jobs.

I am just not impressed by Caleb because for every wow play he makes, there is the “how did you miss that badly“ throw. He didn’t get picked off because he was so far off on his passes, nobody was going to catch it.

NE would be interesting but I think Ben is getting that one.

He'll have to be very careful. He might not get a third shot.

Ben is in a power struggle right now with the Bears GM. If the Bears GM wins that, I could see him take the Pats job. If I'm KK, I don't touch the Saints job. That's a bad job.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I think Vrabel is a pretty safe bet to coach NE next season. I don't think KK is going anywhere.

But there is one thing nobody in Commanders land does not want to acknowledge. This is not the same offense we saw in October. They are really struggling to run the ball, Jayden is taking a ton of sacks often because he can't find an open receiver. The dirty little secret is the infamous KK mid-season droppoff has occurred in Washington as well, just noboby wants to talk about it,.

 

[Stymietee]

I think Vrabel is a pretty safe bet to coach NE next season. I don't think KK is going spots anywhere.

But there is one thing nobody in Commanders land does not want to acknowledge. This is not the same offense we saw in October. They are really struggling to run the ball, Jayden is taking a ton of sacks often because he can't find an open receiver. The dirty little secret is the infamous KK mid-season droppoff has occurred in Washington as well, just noboby wants to talk about it,.

I don't see this as a function or as you've stated dysfunction of Kingsbury's offense. They have two pro-bowl caliber guys on the entire team, ( TM &JD) and to me it appears as if the rest of them have given everything that they have, all season and lack that extra something that naturally comes with better talents. JD IS "that guy" and that guy erases a lot of weak spots on this team, as noted in him accounting for both most rushing and passing yards. There's a great argument in favor of JD being the MVP this year and almost all of it is based on producing more with less around him.

 

[gkekoa]

I don't see this as a function or as you've stated dysfunction of Kingsbury's offense. They have two pro-bowl caliber guys on the entire team, ( TM &JD) and to me it appears as if the rest of them have given everything that they have, all season and lack that extra something that naturally comes with better talents. JD IS "that guy" and that guy erases a lot of weak spots on this team, as noted in him accounting for both most rushing and passing yards. There's a great argument in favor of JD being the MVP this year and almost all of it is based on producing more with less around him.

I think Biadasz is PB caliber.

 

[kbso83432]

 

[Stymietee]

I think Biadasz is PB caliber.

Ok, I see him more as an alternate.

 

[skinsdad62]

I don't see this as a function or as you've stated dysfunction of Kingsbury's offense. They have two pro-bowl caliber guys on the entire team, ( TM &JD) and to me it appears as if the rest of them have given everything that they have, all season and lack that extra something that naturally comes with better talents. JD IS "that guy" and that guy erases a lot of weak spots on this team, as noted in him accounting for both most rushing and passing yards. There's a great argument in favor of JD being the MVP this year and almost all of it is based on producing more with less around him.

KK as a HC fits the narrative DGF. Wants to push . KK the OC on the other hand is a different story . Perhaps we have 3 pro bowl caliber guys on the team and that’s it and we have work to do this off season . When the season is actually over then I will get into it . As for the run game hopefully a healthy bad ass and Wylie will help but penalties on the o/line kill us .

We can beat the Bucs but we have to play smart football

 

[gkekoa]

Ok, I see him more as an alternate.

I think Biadasz is being overlooked because the improvement of this OL is a result of him. We have a rookie LT, a RT nobody can stand, a LG who is a realistic backup, and a rookie QB.

 

[Stymietee]

KK as a HC fits the narrative DGF. Wants to push . KK the OC on the other hand is a different story . Perhaps we have 3 pro bowl caliber guys on the team and that’s it and we have work to do this off season . When the season is actually over then I will get into it . As for the run game hopefully a healthy bad ass and Wylie will help but penalties on the o/line kill us .

We can beat the Bucs but we have to play smart football

I'm firmly convinced that KKs offense improves with better talent, if for no other reason better talent executes more effectively and efficiently. It will be nice to have highly talented offensive alternatives to TM and BRob, so that JD doesn’t have to carry the load as he's doing now.

 

[Sportster 72]

I think Vrabel is a pretty safe bet to coach NE next season. I don't think KK is going anywhere.

But there is one thing nobody in Commanders land does not want to acknowledge. This is not the same offense we saw in October. They are really struggling to run the ball, Jayden is taking a ton of sacks often because he can't find an open receiver. The dirty little secret is the infamous KK mid-season droppoff has occurred in Washington as well, just noboby wants to talk about it,.

Is that the offense that needed 7 FGs to win a game?

I can't agree with this is KK's 2nd half dropoff. Jayden struggled against Dallas while Mariota was on fire. How come? Experience. Defenses have a years worth of watching Jayden and are defending him differently Note that 1st halffs have been slow and 2nd halves much more productive. JMO but it's about a young QB learning.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I don't see this as a function or as you've stated dysfunction of Kingsbury's offense. They have two pro-bowl caliber guys on the entire team, ( TM &JD) and to me it appears as if the rest of them have given everything that they have, all season and lack that extra something that naturally comes with better talents. JD IS "that guy" and that guy erases a lot of weak spots on this team, as noted in him accounting for both most rushing and passing yards. There's a great argument in favor of JD being the MVP this year and almost all of it is based on producing more with less around him.

I understand this. But we had the same lack of talent in October when they were regularly hanging up 40 points. They aren't doing that now and haven't for several games, we can't blame it all on the center missing a week or rookie growing pains, which I do not believe exists with Jayden Daniels.

 

[Sportster 72]

The end of September and October was probably the weakest part of Washington's schedule.

I have to agree with Sty, the team has done more with less. I have also said if you scored the 4th or 5th most points in the league with less how much can you improve? Scoring as many points as Washington has with little help in the way of defensive TDs or short fields is impressive.

 

[skinz2winz]

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Kliff will be fine passing this go around. JD5's upward trajectory will ensure KK receives another opportunity to be a HC in the league. Patience!

 

[Stymietee]

I understand this. But we had the same lack of talent in October when they were regularly hanging up 40 points. They aren't doing that now and haven't for several games, we can't blame it all on the center missing a week or rookie growing pains, which I do not believe exists with Jayden Daniels.

To me, it's just a matter of familiarity with other teams in the league. The more they see you and have film/video of you the harder it becomes to do those things when they are new.

 

[Stymietee]

I think Biadasz is being overlooked because the improvement of this OL is a result of him. We have a rookie LT, a RT nobody can stand, a LG who is a realistic backup, and a rookie QB.

I can't honestly dispute this perspective, badass has been a rock anchoring this patchwork offensive line. That said, looking back at training camp and all of those unusual drills that Quin had them doing, you'd have to say that their design was all an effort to get this team and their lack of talent working together, therefore playing together, giving everything that they have to make up for that lack of talent. Quinn has to get some consideration for Coach of the Year... Daniels is not the only one doing more with less!

 

[gkekoa]

I can't honestly dispute this perspective, badass has been a rock anchoring this patchwork offensive line. That said, looking back at training camp and all of those unusual drills that Quin had them doing, you'd have to say that their design was all an effort to get this team and their lack of talent working together, therefore playing together, giving everything that they have to make up for that lack of talent. Quinn has to get some consideration for Coach of the Year... Daniels is not the only one doing more with less!

I think Quinn should be Coach of the Year and Adam GM of the Year. This team exceeded expectations far more than any other.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

To me, it's just a matter of familiarity with other teams in the league. The more they see you and have film/video of you the harder it becomes to do those things when they are new.

Agreed. But every team faces this and it appears as if KK is not as good at making adjustments. If he didn't have this history I would not be making these points but I can't ignore the elephant in the room.

 

[Stymietee]

Agreed. But every team faces this and it appears as if KK is not as good at making adjustments. If he didn't have this history I would not be making these points but I can't ignore the elephant in the room.

Fair enough!
This is the first year for everyone connected to the team, the real test comes with what happens next year, the year after that and so on. Time like it has with everything else reveals all, including the elephant in the room.
SN: I know that you didn't intend to do it but your reference to "Elephant in the room" reminded me of one of my favorite comedians, the late great Patrice O'Neal.

 

[Sportster 72]

I'd like to see Kliff stay at least two more years. I'd like Jayden to have some stability for a while. I don't see an elephant in the room. This team is often better in the 2nd half than the 1st.

I'd also like to see Kliff get a good job instead of just a HC job. I think time spent with DQ will help him in the long run. This was not my opinion at the start of the year. I was nervous about KK when he was hired. 4th in points with an offense that needs more help is nothing to sneeze at.

 

[skinz2winz]

I think Quinn should be Coach of the Year and Adam GM of the Year. This team exceeded expectations far more than any other.

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