Kiper's 1st mock

[augustisback003]

Don't get me wrong, I'm actually a fan of Montee Ball but not in the 1st Round. 2nd Round maybe, 3rd Round absolutely but not with the 21st overall pick.


21st- Montee Ball Cincinnati Bengals (10-6)
COLLEGE: Wisconsin AGE: 22 HT: 5-11 WT: 212 POS: RB

Analysis: In terms of pure draft value, Ball might be a bit of a reach on my board at this spot, but in terms of fit, it's hard to find a better one among teams drafting in this range. Once fully healthy, Ball showed off a quick burst into and through the hole, and the ability to do major damage on the second level, both making defenders miss and simply running through tackles. If Cincinnati is healthy at guard to start the season (the Bengals weren't in 2012), Ball is a player who could take some pressure off Andy Dalton in 2013 by improving its ground game. A "nose for the end zone" is a bit of a throw-away phrase, but Ball truly has it.

2013 NFL draft - Mel Kiper's first mock draft - ESPN

 

[Tubbs1518]

Ball will be out of the league in 3 years. If we pick him at all I'll be pissed.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I agree with what you said August. Of course Tubbs will have a f'n cow even considering Ball more less mentioning him in the first 4 rounds.

So many good second teir players this year, hard to make decisions in rounds 2-5.

So few elite prospects in this years draft.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Ball will be out of the league in 3 years. If we pick him at all I'll be pissed.

Amazing how you crucify Jwil on his opinion when mentioning past track records, but the only real reason you can come up with any negativity about Ball is because "Wisconsin RB's come to the NFL to die".

 

[Tubbs1518]

Because Ball isn't fast, he doesn't have great power, he isn't really good at anything. He was a product of a system as all Wisconsin RB's are. Ball sucks.

 

[vancelot23]

I wouldn't be a fan of this pick in the 1st rd. The draft guys I talk to online have Ball ranked somewhere around 5th or 6th best RB in the draft. He shouldn't go any earlier than late 2nd.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I wouldn't be a fan of this pick in the 1st rd. The draft guys I talk to online have Ball ranked somewhere around 5th or 6th best RB in the draft. He shouldn't go any earlier than late 2nd.

I agree with this statement. He is definitely not a 1st round pick, but on the same note, he is not as f'n worthless as Tubbs likes to make him out to be.

Kid rushed for 1900+ yards, 1800+ yards and 55 TD's in 2 seasons. I don't give a F who your competition is, more or less the BIG 10 defenses, that is damn solid for a worthless back.

PS..Wisconsin's line was not all that good this year Tubbs, and he still managed those numbers.

 

[Tubbs1518]

He also has 900 carries already on those legs in this OH SO PHYSICAL division. Lots of back run for a shit ton of yards. That doesnt mean they are that good.

Lets see what he did agaisnt decent D's:

Oregon St. 61 yards 4.1 ypc
Michigan St. 40 yards 2.1 ypc
Penn St. 111 yards but only 4.1 ypc

He racked up his numbers against crappy crappy defenses. His ypc dropped over a yard this year. He isn't a very good NFL back.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

He also has 900 carries already on those legs in this OH SO PHYSICAL division. Lots of back run for a shit ton of yards. That doesnt mean they are that good.

Lets see what he did agaisnt decent D's:

Oregon St. 61 yards 4.1 ypc
Michigan St. 40 yards 2.1 ypc
Penn St. 111 yards but only 4.1 ypc

He racked up his numbers against crappy crappy defenses. His ypc dropped over a yard this year. He isn't a very good NFL back.

Most RB's rack up most of their yardage against crappy defenses. There are few RB's like Adrian Peterson where they can run all over any defense. If you are only willing to accept a guy like that, we may have to wait another 10 years for another.

He also struggled against those defenses, because his offensive line helped him almost none. A RB is only as good as his offensive line is for the most part. If he is having to side step, change direction and avoid tackles in the backfield half a game, it is going to be rough picking up yards.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Lol....ok whatever you say.

 

[DanBengalfan]

I dismiss any information coming from Mel Kiper, since most NFL scouting departments already do.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I dismiss any information coming from Mel Kiper, since most NFL scouting departments already do.

Yeah, Kiper in my opinion has kinda become a novelty item. His "expertise" is just not what it once was.

I would listen to Mayock and Lombardi way before him.

 

[vancelot23]

Mayock > everybody else.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Mayock > everybody else.

Mayock is whom Mike Brown should hire to be our GM. LOL

I know a lot of people would laugh at me about that, but I have always enjoyed his insight. He is truthful and usually point on. His Mock drafts are way more accurate than Kiper. Kiper is almost like a sideshow IMO.

 

[cincygrad]

Mayock: Luck is great, but not a ?once in a lifetime? prospect | ProFootballTalk

Mayock not overly enthused with Luck.

 

[cincygrad]

Mayock on Blaine Gabbert: ?He?s a top-one pick?

Mayock loves him some Blaine Gabbert.

 

[cincygrad]

2011 NFL Draft notebook on Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, more - Don Banks - SI.com

Mayock super high on Andy Dalton.

 

[cincygrad]

Sure dig that Mike Mayock.

 

[kramer1]

Sure dig that Mike Mayock.

These draft experts make me fucking sick. I'm already sick of draft talk too. These assholes don't know shit.

 

[DanBengalfan]

prognosticating is probably the hardest job in the world. That's why I'm glad I dream into the future, if I know in 90% of alternate universes today's supposed to be a rough day, I'll just stay in bed. If acid didn't rot your brain, it would be the key to becoming rich. And if pot didn't make you numb as hell to reality, we'd all be eating that shit for breakfast, and if Steroids didn't make your balls shrivel up, we'd be getting monthly shots of it from our doctors. put that in your pipe and smoke it... or don't, smoking causes cancer. have a bagel.