KC, The Shannys, and You - A guide

[Shenanihanigans]

First, KC:

He DID light it up today. He had the best day for a Washington Redskins QB this year. YES, BOTH of his INT's were his fault, and the one he threw from his endzone was scary-bad. The fumble wasn't on him though - it was on Tyler "the human turnstile" Polumbus.

What does it mean? Not much, unless KC also lights up Dallas, and NY Giants. That's entirely possible.

We'll see.

MIKE SHANAHAN:

We all know he's an asshole. And a meglomaniac. And a fantastic liar. So here's a rundown of the stories that have broken recently, and (IMO) his intentions:

"Dan Snyder / RG3 Relationship annoys the Shanny" - TRUE. Because The Shanny is an egomaniac.

"The Shanny was going to walk out on the team after the Seattle game." - FALSE. Too damaging to his ego. No WAY that's a true story.

"Benching RG3 is in the best interest of RG3" - FALSE - It's obviously in the best interest of KC and The Shanny. It's entirely possible that The Shanny actually DOES think that KC is the best option for qb, but can't say it for fear of reprisals from The Danny. After today's performance, it's hard to argue. KC lit up a crappy defense behind an even crappier oline, with crappy wr's not named Garcon. Aldrick Freakin' Robinson had 100 yds, and a 62 yard bomb. Of course, it doesn't HURT RG3 that he's been benched.... except maybe his fragile psyche, which I don't give a fuck about.

"I had Dan Snyder's backing 100% with the benching of RG3." - FALSE. Not 100%. But apparently, The Danny is doing a better job of keeping his fool-mouth shut, and letting The Shanny dig his own grave.

"Now I want to come back next year, with some caveats." - TRUE. The Shanny is not a quitter. It would hurt his reputation for Canton to quit after four years with the team at 3-13 or 5-11. As long as The Shanny can get assurances from The Danny that The Shanny can make whatever personnel decision he wants, he wants to come back and be vindicated.

KYLE SHANAHAN:

"I'm angry that nobody consulted me with benching RG3." - TRUE - Also, Sack up, you spoiled, petulant little simp, and go talk to your father. Also, you're not the head coach. Also, fuck you.

"There's no quarterback controversy." - FALSE. At least, not yet. If KC lights it up, we both know there will be a qb controversy.

RG3:

"I'm going to take this like a man. Be professional." FALSE. RG3 ALSO seems like an egomaniac. He's going to be worried shitless if KC plays against Dallas and NY like he played against Atlanta. How could he not be worried?

You're welcome.

 

[j_y19]

Pretty close. Only exception I take is there will be no QB controversy because cousins won't be here. Snyder will make sure of that.

 

[Shenanihanigans]

Pretty close. Only exception I take is there will be no QB controversy because cousins won't be here. Snyder will make sure of that.

I don't think that's true.

If KC has two more games like today's game, and if Mike Shanny really wants to finish out his contract / not look like the tremendous douchebag that he is / protect his massive ego, then it's possible that RG3 gets traded OR they keep KC for another year until they get the offer they like.

It wouldn't be that hard of a sell job either: if you tell yourself you MUST get rid of KC for a draft pick - if other teams know you're auditioning KC for picks, then you are negotiating from a disadvantage from the start.

Frankly, ONE second round pick seems like a waste to me. I'd rather keep KC then draft some dlineman with a second rounder. Even ONE first rounder doesn't really seem like enough to me...

 

[j_y19]

Shanahan is gone also. Rg3 is snyders star. He will be here. There won't be room for both he an Kirk and, quite frankly, we do need the pick, even if it's just a 2nd. A 2nd should net us with a quality starter at OL or ILB or secondary, or WR. We just don't have the luxury of having two starting caliber QBs on a team with so many glaring holes.

If Kirk play out the next two games like he did today, we will get more than just a 2nd.

 

[skinsdad62]

KC did well today and if he causes the HC to open the qb competition then so be it . the best guy plays

but this was a 3 win team and KC's TO's led to 17 points

now my question would be this how come a sacks fumble is blamed on the human turnstile but when the o/line is a turnstile for RG3 its "lack of pocket presence "

i guess its all on your point of view

KC does appear to be ahead on the mental side of things

 

[Shenanihanigans]

KC did well today and if he causes the HC to open the qb competition then so be it . the best guy plays

but this was a 3 win team and KC's TO's led to 17 points

now my question would be this how come a sacks fumble is blamed on the human turnstile but when the o/line is a turnstile for RG3 its "lack of pocket presence "

i guess its all on your point of view

KC does appear to be ahead on the mental side of things

Skinsdad, I know you love to repeat "KC's TO's led to 17 points," ad nauseum, for no apparent reason, but a little truth for you to chew on:

KC led the team to the tying touchdown DESPITE 7 to's.
KC had the best game of either qb this year, today.
KC had the only 3 td game today.
KC hit on the longest play from scrimmage of the year, today.
KC played behind the same horrific oline that RG3 played behind, today.
Was KC sacked today? Can't remember one other than the fumble.


And to answer your question:

Because unlike RG3, Cousins doesn't hold on to the ball for forever, and has the ability to immediately scan the field to find his second, third, or fourth options and hit them quickly, as opposed to RG3 who stares down his only option OR takes off. That's it.

Not even that hard.

 

[j_y19]

Skinsdad, I know you love to repeat "KC's TO's led to 17 points," ad nauseum, for no apparent reason, but a little truth for you to chew on:

KC led the team to the tying touchdown DESPITE 7 to's.
KC had the best game of either qb this year, today.
KC had the only 3 td game today.
KC hit on the longest play from scrimmage of the year, today.
KC played behind the same horrific oline that RG3 played behind, today.
Was KC sacked today? Can't remember one other than the fumble.


And to answer your question:

Because unlike RG3, Cousins doesn't hold on to the ball for forever, and has the ability to immediately scan the field to find his second, third, or fourth options and hit them quickly, as opposed to RG3 who stares down his only option OR takes off. That's it.

Not even that hard.

This is all true. Once RG3 learns to do these things, who do you thing will be the QB that will go further?

 

[skinsdad62]

Skinsdad, I know you love to repeat "KC's TO's led to 17 points," ad nauseum, for no apparent reason, but a little truth for you to chew on:

KC led the team to the tying touchdown DESPITE 7 to's.
KC had the best game of either qb this year, today.
KC had the only 3 td game today.
KC hit on the longest play from scrimmage of the year, today.
KC played behind the same horrific oline that RG3 played behind, today.
Was KC sacked today? Can't remember one other than the fumble.


And to answer your question:

Because unlike RG3, Cousins doesn't hold on to the ball for forever, and has the ability to immediately scan the field to find his second, third, or fourth options and hit them quickly, as opposed to RG3 who stares down his only option OR takes off. That's it.

Not even that hard.

geez , yes he holds the ball too long . its a flaw and a correctable one

my whole issue is the fan base here gets amnesia

this off season they all jumped on the "all in for week one " thing and now he is a diva because it didnt work out like we all thought

he has done everything he has been asked to do . and he is a diva

the press says he runs to snyder but he and his teammates say he didnt

the guy came back from a devastating injury in record time but he is a diva now . where waas this BS before all the losing ? where was the diva BS last year when he was setting records

since fucking when does WE not fucking include fucking ME but he is a diva because he didnt say i because the press and the fan base need a coloring book and crayons to understand fucking english

all i want is a little less hindsight 20/20 bs and less front running and more integrity and conviction to principals

i know exactly why Rg3 does the things he does . when a qb doesnt know what defenses are trying to do to him he relys on what he does best , pulling it down and try out athlete everyone

a real off season should help with most of it but instead he is a selfish diva who is all about me according to most the same people who were singing his praises and wouldnt listen to ANY possibilty that he would struggle

 

[Blunt8384]

geez , yes he holds the ball too long . its a flaw and a correctable one

my whole issue is the fan base here gets amnesia

this off season they all jumped on the "all in for week one " thing and now he is a diva because it didnt work out like we all thought

he has done everything he has been asked to do . and he is a diva

the press says he runs to snyder but he and his teammates say he didnt

the guy came back from a devastating injury in record time but he is a diva now . where waas this BS before all the losing ? where was the diva BS last year when he was setting records

since fucking when does WE not fucking include fucking ME but he is a diva because he didnt say i because the press and the fan base need a coloring book and crayons to understand fucking english

all i want is a little less hindsight 20/20 bs and less front running and more integrity and conviction to principals

i know exactly why Rg3 does the things he does . when a qb doesnt know what defenses are trying to do to him he relys on what he does best , pulling it down and try out athlete everyone

a real off season should help with most of it but instead he is a selfish diva who is all about me according to most the same people who were singing his praises and wouldnt listen to ANY possibilty that he would struggle

The biggest reason that being a diva is a problem is because it gets in the way of his development. There was a report that came out earlier this year saying Robert pulled the coaches aside and asked them not to critique him in front of the other players. lol. His attitude stinks and if Coach cant discipline Robert because of his relationship with the owner then how can Coach correct his behavior and begin the developmental process. Also reports of Griffin and his dad going to the coaches with a list of plays they didn't want to run because they worried that the plays were too risky. Coach want's to win. Coach wants to protect RG3. Coach wants RG3 to learn how to slide. RG3 is a no it all and will never develop unless the coach has the power to bench him and embarrass him. Whatever it takes for RG3 to get the point. Wish I could put KC head on RG3 body then we would have a hall of fame QB for sure lol.

 

[Shenanihanigans]

This is all true. Once RG3 learns to do these things, who do you thing will be the QB that will go further?

This is a good question, jy.

On the one hand, RG3 is clearly the better athlete. On the other hand, so was kordell Stewart, Michael Vick, Randall Cunningham, Heath shuler, etc.

I haveno doubt that RG3 COULD learn those things, but he has yet to show that he has.

On the other hand, KC might not be the most gifted athlete as qb, but the sidearmed throw to Morgan off he bootleg from today, the finding of 8 different wr's, the finding of Aldrick Robinson five times for 100 dyes, and the ZERO sacks for today suggests that it is worth a longer audition to see exactly what the redskins DO have in KC.

 

[Shenanihanigans]

geez , yes he holds the ball too long . its a flaw and a correctable one

my whole issue is the fan base here gets amnesia

this off season they all jumped on the "all in for week one " thing and now he is a diva because it didnt work out like we all thought

he has done everything he has been asked to do . and he is a diva

the press says he runs to snyder but he and his teammates say he didnt

the guy came back from a devastating injury in record time but he is a diva now . where waas this BS before all the losing ? where was the diva BS last year when he was setting records

since fucking when does WE not fucking include fucking ME but he is a diva because he didnt say i because the press and the fan base need a coloring book and crayons to understand fucking english

all i want is a little less hindsight 20/20 bs and less front running and more integrity and conviction to principals

i know exactly why Rg3 does the things he does . when a qb doesnt know what defenses are trying to do to him he relys on what he does best , pulling it down and try out athlete everyone

a real off season should help with most of it but instead he is a selfish diva who is all about me according to most the same people who were singing his praises and wouldnt listen to ANY possibilty that he would struggle

This is easy to answer, skinsdad:

I'm not RG3's daddy, I don't give a shit if he's supposedly "done everything he's been asked to do," because neither you or I know that to be true or not true, and I'm tired of my beloved redskins sucking moose dong.

I'd also include such cliche's as, "It's a what have you done for me lately" kind of league, etc, but you'd probably be against that too.

As far as sticking to my principles: in general, I don't lie, I try to think of others, and I wouldn't consider myself an egomaniac. Can you honestly say that The Shanny or RG3 have displayed that kind of integrity over the course of this season?

If you answered yes to that. Question, you are either lying or delusional.

 

[j_y19]

This is a good question, jy.

On the one hand, RG3 is clearly the better athlete. On the other hand, so was kordell Stewart, Michael Vick, Randall Cunningham, Heath shuler, etc.

I haveno doubt that RG3 COULD learn those things, but he has yet to show that he has.

On the other hand, KC might not be the most gifted athlete as qb, but the sidearmed throw to Morgan off he bootleg from today, the finding of 8 different wr's, the finding of Aldrick Robinson five times for 100 dyes, and the ZERO sacks for today suggests that it is worth a longer audition to see exactly what the redskins DO have in KC.

I said it in another thread. Kirk will be a starter in this league. He has poise, intelligence, and a very good arm. But RG3 has the greater upside. Its not fair to compare RG3 to Stewart, vick, or Shuler for this reason only. RG3 is a worker. He will put in the hours to hone his craft (unlike Vick). He is also highly intelligent (unlike Shuler). He has never had to pre read a defense before nor go through a route tree progression. SO of course this is all new to him and he will struggle with it. IF he has the proper coaching (and if he will take it, which is my concern), I have no doubt he can learn the skills to be a pocket passer. But it will take an offseason and time.

If I had to bet, in 5 years I would bet that RG3 was a multiple Pro Bowl player and Kirk was not. Kirk will be a better than average QB that will put up a season or 2 of great numbers, but may also suffer a season or 2.

As far as keeping them both, I would love to. But we just can't afford that luxury. We have too many holes that have to be filled. One has to go and it is going to be Kirk. He will be traded this offseason as long as we can get a 2nd or better. Based on how he played yesterday, I think that is realistic if he closes out the season with the same level of play.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

At this pt I have no issue with either QB. Obviously they can only keep one next season (or risk completely dividing the players & fan base) & that one is most likely RG3 for several reasons. However - don't really care - let them handle it as they see fit.

My bigger concern is this statement from Shanahan that he would like to return only if things are done his way. WTF? How does a (most likely) 3-13 or 4-12 coach get to make these type of demands? What an ego maniac. I dread this scenario not because of the QB situation but because of everything else that he will most likely mismanage. If he returns there is a decent chance that he will bring back those two clowns that coach defense & special teams (why hasn't the ST coach already been fired?). What a nightmare.

I want Shanahan gone two seconds after the season ends. To me - he doesn't appear to care about any of us so why should we give a crap about him? Take the act elsewhere. He can then be proud of a 3-11 team barely losing to another horrible team - pretty pathetic. Not stating this because of Cousins (who did well) but overall people should not read much into these remaining games. Yesterday's game was one between two very, very bad teams who played one of the sloppiest games in ages.

HTTR.

 

[elocomotive]

The fumble wasn't on him though - it was on Tyler "the human turnstile" Polumbus.

"Duh, tickets please. Hey! Slow down. No running!"

 

[deanpet21]

I agree with all you said Shenanihanigans

 

[skinz2winz]

At this pt I have no issue with either QB. Obviously they can only keep one next season (or risk completely dividing the players & fan base) & that one is most likely RG3 for several reasons. However - don't really care - let them handle it as they see fit.

My bigger concern is this statement from Shanahan that he would like to return only if things are done his way. WTF? How does a (most likely) 3-13 or 4-12 coach get to make these type of demands? What an ego maniac. I dread this scenario not because of the QB situation but because of everything else that he will most likely mismanage. If he returns there is a decent chance that he will bring back those two clowns that coach defense & special teams (why hasn't the ST coach already been fired?). What a nightmare.

I want Shanahan gone two seconds after the season ends. To me - he doesn't appear to care about any of us so why should we give a crap about him? Take the act elsewhere. He can then be proud of a 3-11 team barely losing to another horrible team - pretty pathetic. Not stating this because of Cousins (who did well) but overall people should not read much into these remaining games. Yesterday's game was one between two very, very bad teams who played one of the sloppiest games in ages.

HTTR.

I'm with SoCal, Shanahan has to go immediately after our last game. These past few weeks have been nothing short of comical, shameful and unprofessional. He also hired ST coordinator Keith Burns but refuses to admit he made the mistake of hiring him. Does he not already realize the fan base thinks he is an egomaniac and control freak? Now his own Son wants to separate himself from this mess. Kyle said in his interview no one spoke with him about the QB change. Really? Forget he is the Son of the head coach, he is the OC on a proud professional franchise and you don't sit down and talk with him first? That says a lot about Mike Shanahan as a person, professional and Father. My guess is you could ask a few Broncos fans about how controlling Mike is and you would get some interesting answers.

As for yesterday, two very bad teams played a turnover fest football game and the lesser of two evils won. Sure, Kirk had a good day and that is good for the team as it drives up his value some what. But, the two turnovers were bad and brings that value right back into perspective. Same issues yesterday with poor execution, poor tackling, poor blocking, poor play calling etc... It's time for change in DC.