Justin Smoak/Dustin Ackley Since May 1

[SeattleCoug]

Smoak: .180/.264/.320

Ackley: .220/.284/.370

I think I'm preaching to the choir here, but I think its safe to say these guys are what they are at this point. They arent the two core players that Z acquired/drafted to turn this franchise around. As much as I want to complain about a guy like Brad Miller, he's really only been bad for 2 months. Smoak has had 2183 career Abs in parts of 5 seasons. Ackley has 1664 Abs in parts of 4 seasons. We are probably stuck for this year but its my hope that we dont go in to 2015 with relying on these guys. I doubt either has serious trade value other then a secondary piece in another deal, but I think 1B needs to be addressed from outside the organization. Its time for Z to swallow his pride and admit he missed with these two and move on, assuming I guess he is still here next year.

 

[NWinAZ]

Don't pick on the golden boys. They have so much promise and blah, blah, blah.

Make a deal with Philly already!!!!!

 

[Logicallylethal]

I defended Smoak all last year, I defended him at the beginning of the year, I also defended him when his batting avg started to dip but he was still hitting the ball hard and driving in runs

...I'm done defending him

He has completely regressed


As for Ackley I'm still rooting for him to succeed, but it's becoming clear that all he is at best is a .240 to .250 hitter with below avg power, an avg glove, and good speed but not enough steals.

 

[SeattleCoug]

Don't pick on the golden boys. They have so much promise and blah, blah, blah.

Make a deal with Philly already!!!!!

Not any more!

 

[seahawksfan234]

You know the Mariners have organizational depth problems at 1B when Willie Bloomquist is Smoak's replacement at 1st.

 

[1905 Giants]

I too was a Smoak fan at least (nothing against Ackley, but not a huge fan) but I'm backing off of that.

 

[johnfree63]

Smoak has been the worst everyday 1B since 2010. I don't know why they keep running him out there. Don't believe me?

# Name Team G PA HR R RBI SB BB% K% ISO BABIP AVG OBP SLG wOBA wRC+ BsR Off Def WAR
1 Miguel Cabrera Tigers 677 2929 167 466 557 12 12.7 % 14.2 % .271 .346 .335 .420 .606 .431 174 -10.4 239.4 -57.3 29.4
2 Joey Votto Reds 623 2741 110 386 357 36 16.9 % 18.5 % .225 .360 .313 .433 .538 .416 163 -11.5 190.5 -29.0 26.0
3 Adrian Gonzalez - - - 696 2992 110 370 464 5 9.5 % 16.2 % .191 .332 .303 .369 .494 .368 134 -23.0 94.8 -19.1 17.9
4 Albert Pujols - - - 618 2725 141 389 421 34 10.1 % 10.9 % .240 .275 .287 .361 .527 .373 139 -10.3 115.0 -41.9 16.8
5 Mike Napoli - - - 543 2124 108 281 313 10 12.2 % 27.4 % .240 .321 .260 .360 .501 .373 133 -5.8 74.9 -3.8 14.9
6 Prince Fielder - - - 689 2986 128 373 433 4 13.6 % 15.7 % .210 .305 .285 .395 .496 .382 140 -27.9 110.6 -70.8 14.3
7 Edwin Encarnacion Blue Jays 584 2425 135 341 370 31 11.1 % 13.8 % .251 .262 .270 .355 .521 .376 136 2.7 104.4 -58.1 13.4
8 Nick Swisher - - - 642 2746 101 338 349 6 12.2 % 21.6 % .190 .307 .262 .356 .453 .354 122 -9.7 61.1 -25.6 13.2
9 Mark Teixeira Yankees 493 2154 109 297 342 6 11.8 % 17.2 % .231 .251 .248 .347 .479 .358 122 -8.2 47.7 -21.6 10.2
10 Freddie Freeman Braves 530 2164 77 286 312 7 9.8 % 20.6 % .183 .333 .286 .361 .469 .360 129 -7.8 64.4 -51.5 8.5
11 Michael Cuddyer - - - 558 2324 75 306 309 39 8.3 % 16.4 % .182 .321 .289 .349 .471 .356 117 4.8 50.8 -57.9 7.1
12 Paul Konerko White Sox 606 2487 111 272 359 1 10.2 % 15.0 % .198 .298 .286 .363 .485 .366 127 -30.1 49.2 -74.5 5.8
13 Justin Morneau - - - 494 2069 68 220 274 1 8.7 % 16.7 % .178 .300 .273 .340 .451 .342 114 -11.0 23.4 -34.8 5.8
14 Gaby Sanchez - - - 594 2054 57 217 244 11 10.0 % 16.0 % .163 .284 .258 .336 .421 .333 107 -0.7 16.2 -25.3 5.8
15 James Loney - - - 681 2544 43 236 298 18 7.3 % 12.5 % .117 .304 .278 .331 .395 .317 101 -5.8 -3.5 -26.0 5.5
16 Adam LaRoche - - - 542 2206 89 261 307 6 10.8 % 23.1 % .196 .297 .254 .335 .451 .340 111 -17.0 11.4 -30.4 5.2
17 Mark Reynolds - - - 621 2465 126 307 335 20 12.3 % 31.9 % .223 .269 .215 .319 .438 .331 104 -6.8 5.6 -53.6 3.3
18 Carlos Pena - - - 546 2116 83 246 250 10 15.0 % 28.0 % .192 .255 .206 .335 .398 .325 105 -7.8 4.2 -43.5 3.1
19 Garrett Jones - - - 653 2323 87 256 307 17 8.0 % 20.9 % .195 .286 .253 .311 .448 .329 107 -11.5 7.7 -55.6 2.5
20 Adam Lind Blue Jays 547 2156 86 234 289 2 7.7 % 20.2 % .189 .293 .262 .319 .451 .333 107 -11.6 4.3 -56.3 2.1
21 Adam Dunn - - - 631 2613 134 289 354 4 14.2 % 32.5 % .227 .276 .216 .331 .442 .338 109 -21.4 6.0 -71.6 1.9
22 Ryan Howard Phillies 504 2123 100 259 364 2 9.7 % 28.3 % .218 .315 .254 .332 .472 .343 114 -25.5 9.3 -58.5 1.7
23 Eric Hosmer Royals 500 2111 51 244 242 38 7.3 % 15.3 % .141 .304 .274 .327 .415 .323 101 0.2 2.5 -57.4 1.6
24 Justin Smoak - - - 546 2183 74 206 233 2 10.8 % 22.3 % .158 .261 .225 .310 .383 .307 93 -16.8 -33.7 -40.4 -0.2

 

[johnfree63]

That posted weird. Bottom line, Smoak has been -0.2 WAR since 2010. The next shittest is Hosmer who is still far better at 1.6 WAR. (I put 2000 ABs as the qualifying mark.)

 

[1905 Giants]

That posted weird. Bottom line, Smoak has been -0.2 WAR since 2010. The next shittest is Hosmer who is still far better at 1.6 WAR. (I put 2000 ABs as the qualifying mark.)

Ouch

 

[wazzu31]

You know the Mariners have organizational depth problems at 1B when Willie Bloomquist is Smoak's replacement at 1st.

I thought they were calling Peterson (sp) up to Jackson and converting him to 1B?

 

[unlvmariners]

If the Mariners actually had a legit outfield I would like Ackley as a bench guy- 4th outfielder, plus he has experience at 1B and 2nd. He is the kind of player that has value on a team as a role player. Smoak on the other hand has little versatility cause he can only play 1 position and it is a position that you need to be able to contribute offensively.

 

[johnfree63]

I bet Smoak goes on the DL for this "injury" he has and they call Morrison back up. Morrison's rehab stint is supposed to done on Wednesday I think.

 

[Podunkparte]

Smoak is exactly the kind of guy I can see us sending somewhere else and becoming Chris Davis v 2.0. He has the bat speed and power, he just can't put something together and connect the good stretches together while stopping the bad stretches short.

That isn't to say I hope we don't let him go too soon. I've come to believe these kinds of guys won't ever become who they will elsewhere, with the M's if they stay.

I'm a patient fan and even I'm about at the point where I want something new. I don't know what that is, and Smoak does provide great defense, but that hitting ability is just not cutting in anywhere close over the long run.