Johan Santana

[Mike A. S.]

How the heck did Johan Santana only get 2% of the vote and get eliminated from the ballot?!?! I'm not saying he should've made it right away...I'm not even saying he should definitely make the HOF. But there's no way he deserved to be eliminated from the ballot after 1 year...he seriously deserved major consideration to actually make the HOF.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Not to be a Yankee honk, but Jorge Posada getting eliminated from the ballot so fast was even more criminal

I dont see Jorge as a HOFer, but stack his career up to HOF catchers, youd be surprised by how well he compares, and he got kicked off the ballot like immediately

 

[navamind]

Not to be a Yankee honk, but Jorge Posada getting eliminated from the ballot so fast was even more criminal

I dont see Jorge as a HOFer, but stack his career up to HOF catchers, youd be surprised by how well he compares, and he got kicked off the ballot like immediately

Not sure if I'd put Posada in myself, but he was one of the greatest offensive catchers of all-time. 3.8% is absurd.

 

[Win TWINS!!!]

How the heck did Johan Santana only get 2% of the vote and get eliminated from the ballot?!?! I'm not saying he should've made it right away...I'm not even saying he should definitely make the HOF. But there's no way he deserved to be eliminated from the ballot after 1 year...he seriously deserved major consideration to actually make the HOF.

He was done by age 33, and had a limited number of peak years.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Not sure if I'd put Posada in myself, but he was one of the greatest offensive catchers of all-time. 3.8% is absurd.

Agreed, never thought he was a HOFer (and pretty sure he was a juicer), but it was criminal how fast

 

[Mike A. S.]

He was done by age 33, and had a limited number of peak years.

Check Sandy Koufax. Again, not saying he was as good as him. But Koufax had a short career too and nobody doubts his HOF legitimacy. But by numbers they're somewhat comparable. At least enough to give Santana reasonable HOF consideration.

 

[navamind]

Agreed, never thought he was a HOFer (and pretty sure he was a juicer), but it was criminal how fast

His 123 wRC+ ranks 23rd all-time among catchers. That includes a few guys who had short careers and guys like Brian Downing and Gene Tenace, who played a good chunk of their games at other positions.

Major League Leaderboards » 2017 » Catchers » Dashboard | FanGraphs Baseball

 

[Win TWINS!!!]

Check Sandy Koufax. Again, not saying he was as good as him. But Koufax had a short career too and nobody doubts his HOF legitimacy. But by numbers they're somewhat comparable. At least enough to give Santana reasonable HOF consideration.

I understand the argument, and I've seen the comparisons, but times are different. The Hall has gotten bloated.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Not to be a Yankee honk, but Jorge Posada getting eliminated from the ballot so fast was even more criminal

I dont see Jorge as a HOFer, but stack his career up to HOF catchers, youd be surprised by how well he compares, and he got kicked off the ballot like immediately

Jorge Posada got 1 more HOF vote than Sandy Alomar

 

[Mike A. S.]

I understand the argument, and I've seen the comparisons, but times are different. The Hall has gotten bloated.

Agreed. But my main point isn't whether Santana actually got into the Hall or not. The main thing is getting kicked off the ballot in his first year of eligibility.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Jorge Posada got 1 more HOF vote than Sandy Alomar

I know, and even the biggest Yankee hater would have to admit thats a bit riduculous

 

[Win TWINS!!!]

Agreed. But my main point isn't whether Santana actually got into the Hall or not. The main thing is getting kicked off the ballot in his first year of eligibility.

He wasn't kicked off. He just wwasn't kept on.

 

[PEOPLESCHICKEN]

He wasn't kicked off. He just wwasn't kept on.

He's not dead...he just isn't currently living

 

[tducey]

Santana's not a Hall of Famer IMO but I think he should be on past the 1st ballot.

 

[thedddd]

Sadly I thought at first this chat was going to be about Johan Santana making a come back.

But yeah never would be voted in but 1st year gone is nonsense.