Jackson is gone if this is true

[TobyTyler]

David Lee. (No D…get it?)

Ah yes, that's very clever.

 

[clyde_carbon]

If the dubs don't retain Jackson, then they're risking division amongst the players and ruining their chemistry.....which is actually a lot worse than a front office personnel rift. They would have won the series against the clippers had Bogut not been injured....

Just sayin.

The players would get over it the moment a new coach is hired. Bet on it.

 

[JustOneDennisBergkamp]

The players would get over it the moment a new coach is hired. Bet on it.

These are professional athletes, right?

 

[CitySushi]

Jackson is gone.

 

[ColinCoby]

Lowell Cohn wrote a column in which he breaks down reasons for retaining/firing Jackson. I don't generally like the writer much, but I think he provides the key arguments on both sides (w/o the F-Bombs and emotional factor we see a bit on here. For the record, my emotions skew my understanding of the situation given that, while I disagree with some of Jackson's social views and coaching decisions, I like the guy). So here goes:

Reasons for bringing Jackson back:

He won 51 games and brought his team to the playoffs the second season in a row.

Because of him the Warriors, who had been a joke, are a serious team in the NBA. He changed their culture from passive losers to aggressive winners.

The Warriors played the third-seed Clippers in the first round of the playoffs and played them tough without center Andrew Bogut. Jackson made a brilliant strategic adjustment against the Clippers, benching center Jermaine O’Neal, moving David Lee to center and taking Draymond Green off the bench and moving him to power forward.

Most of his players love Jackson and want to play for him.

We haven’t seen the Warriors play this hard in a generation.

Stephen Curry routinely campaigns for a Jackson extension, and Curry is the most important Warrior by a million miles.

The Warriors have a good thing going and it never is wise to break up a good thing.

The Warriors owner, Joe Lacob, does not seem sold on Jackson. It’s possible Lacob, another one with a big ego, is jealous of all the attention Jackson has received. Lacob wants to be the face of the franchise. If Lacob does not extend Jackson and if this is the reason, shame on Joe Lacob.

Reasons not to extend Jackson

Jackson’s Warriors got bounced in the first round of the playoffs by the Clippers. It doesn’t matter that the Warriors played hard or with passion. They lost. They lost to a team in the middle of a national scandal. The Clippers’ best player, Chris Paul, played at 75 percent efficiency because of a bad hamstring.

The Warriors went 19-25 this season against teams with winning records.

Sure, Jackson saw the value in Green, but he saw it very late and only after O’Neal asked to be taken out of the starting lineup in the playoffs.

Jackson preaches defense, and that is commendable. But he has no offensive philosophy. Recently, a former head coach was asked to describe Jackson’s offensive philosophy. By way of response, he laughed. Laughed a long time.

Jackson has a weak coaching staff, what’s left of it. His staff is one of the weakest in the NBA.

Not only could this staff not develop Harrison Barnes, the staff set him back. Barnes regressed this season.

Jackson does not surround himself with superior assistants. Last season, he had a superior assistant in Mike Malone and Malone has said there was friction between them. Jackson appears insecure and may not want assertive, talented assistants challenging him or vying for power.

Back to Joe Lacob. He could make his decision based on pure job evaluation. It is not Lacob’s job to be loyal to Jackson. It’s his job to be loyal to winning. The players, also loyal to winning, will fall in line, even Curry.

 

[msgkings322]

Lowell Cohn wrote a column in which he breaks down reasons for retaining/firing Jackson. I don't generally like the writer much, but I think he provides the key arguments on both sides (w/o the F-Bombs and emotional factor we see a bit on here. For the record, my emotions skew my understanding of the situation given that, while I disagree with some of Jackson's social views and coaching decisions, I like the guy). So here goes:

Reasons for bringing Jackson back:

He won 51 games and brought his team to the playoffs the second season in a row.

Because of him the Warriors, who had been a joke, are a serious team in the NBA. He changed their culture from passive losers to aggressive winners.

The Warriors played the third-seed Clippers in the first round of the playoffs and played them tough without center Andrew Bogut. Jackson made a brilliant strategic adjustment against the Clippers, benching center Jermaine O’Neal, moving David Lee to center and taking Draymond Green off the bench and moving him to power forward.

Most of his players love Jackson and want to play for him.

We haven’t seen the Warriors play this hard in a generation.

Stephen Curry routinely campaigns for a Jackson extension, and Curry is the most important Warrior by a million miles.

The Warriors have a good thing going and it never is wise to break up a good thing.

The Warriors owner, Joe Lacob, does not seem sold on Jackson. It’s possible Lacob, another one with a big ego, is jealous of all the attention Jackson has received. Lacob wants to be the face of the franchise. If Lacob does not extend Jackson and if this is the reason, shame on Joe Lacob.

Reasons not to extend Jackson

Jackson’s Warriors got bounced in the first round of the playoffs by the Clippers. It doesn’t matter that the Warriors played hard or with passion. They lost. They lost to a team in the middle of a national scandal. The Clippers’ best player, Chris Paul, played at 75 percent efficiency because of a bad hamstring.

The Warriors went 19-25 this season against teams with winning records.

Sure, Jackson saw the value in Green, but he saw it very late and only after O’Neal asked to be taken out of the starting lineup in the playoffs.

Jackson preaches defense, and that is commendable. But he has no offensive philosophy. Recently, a former head coach was asked to describe Jackson’s offensive philosophy. By way of response, he laughed. Laughed a long time.

Jackson has a weak coaching staff, what’s left of it. His staff is one of the weakest in the NBA.

Not only could this staff not develop Harrison Barnes, the staff set him back. Barnes regressed this season.

Jackson does not surround himself with superior assistants. Last season, he had a superior assistant in Mike Malone and Malone has said there was friction between them. Jackson appears insecure and may not want assertive, talented assistants challenging him or vying for power.

Back to Joe Lacob. He could make his decision based on pure job evaluation. It is not Lacob’s job to be loyal to Jackson. It’s his job to be loyal to winning. The players, also loyal to winning, will fall in line, even Curry.

Basically this analysis, which is very good, shows that you can make a very good case either way, and be 'right' and 'wrong' at the same time. In other words it's not obvious. Whether you think he should be fired probably depends on your prior assumptions and feelings, and you can justify either choice.

In any case looks like he's gone. IMO if they pick up a proven guy to replace him it's a good move. If they go unproven or god forbid college coach it was DUMB.

 

[Tai Chi≈Surfing]

The players would get over it the moment a new coach is hired. Bet on it.

ummm.....well to be true, a lot of that depends on which coach you're talking about.
And you can take that to the bank.

 

[ColinCoby]

Basically this analysis, which is very good, shows that you can make a very good case either way, and be 'right' and 'wrong' at the same time. In other words it's not obvious. Whether you think he should be fired probably depends on your prior assumptions and feelings, and you can justify either choice.

In any case looks like he's gone. IMO if they pick up a proven guy to replace him it's a good move. If they go unproven or god forbid college coach it was DUMB.

The thumbs down bandit strikes again!

I am a trusting person (to a fault). I trust that the FO knows what it is doing. I'm grateful for what Jackson brought to the team. I wish him well.

 

[clyde_carbon]

ummm.....well to be true, a lot of that depends on which coach you're talking about.
And you can take that to the bank.

It really wouldn't matter. Do you think the players would get out of line if Kerr, a coach with no previous experience, was brought in?

Motivation only gets you so far. Mark Jackson doesn't even keep the people skills to keep the assistant coaches who help with the X's and O's around.

 

[Tai Chi≈Surfing]

You said they'd get over it "the moment" a new coach is hire, and to "bet on it"...and I beg to differ, as there will be new philosophies and strategies to be learned and adhered to, as well as bonds needing to be reestablished....
Those things do not happen overnight...and bringing in a new coach can backfire just as easily as it can help.

Ask yourself what you'd want, a coach who gets along better w/ his players, or w/ the FO??
Of course you'll say Both. But how often does that occur where everyone from top to bottom is on the same page?

 

[Hambombs]

You said they'd get over it "the moment" a new coach is hire, and to "bet on it"...and I beg to differ, as there will be new philosophies and strategies to be learned and adhered to, as well as bonds needing to be reestablished....
Those things do not happen overnight...and bringing in a new coach can backfire just as easily as it can help.

Ask yourself what you'd want, a coach who gets along better w/ his players, or w/ the FO??
Of course you'll say Both. But how often does that occur where everyone from top to bottom is on the same page?

This management does make a lot of blod moves

 

[TobyTyler]

It really wouldn't matter. Do you think the players would get out of line if Kerr, a coach with no previous experience, was brought in?

Motivation only gets you so far. Mark Jackson doesn't even keep the people skills to keep the assistant coaches who help with the X's and O's around.

...As the 49ers found out with Singletary