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It's not just about RGIII...

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Really interesting read


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There are many applicable examples from McCloughan’s past, and one underrated key is a knack for building around the quarterback. This is different from identifying a franchise quarterback early in the process and then finding the proper pieces to complement that guy. That’s the traditional and preferred model for everyone, including McCloughan. But how does a team rebuild in a timely manner if it isn’t fortunate enough to acquire that special creature or if that young quarterback takes more time than expected or if finding Mr. Right requires a few swings and misses?

Since arriving in January, McCloughan has explained the thinking several times, often in response to questions about Griffin. His words have been taken more as a cop-out than a team-building strategy, but when he talks about wanting to give Griffin more time and focuses on improving the talent around the quarterback and relieving some of the burden, he isn’t dodging the issue. In San Francisco and Seattle, this approach worked.



Griffin is often criticized for not being a strong leader, and Wilson is often praised for that trait. But the truth is, with the way the Seahawks are built, Wilson doesn’t have to do much leading. The team covers some of his youth and immaturity. Wilson is just asked to play well within the parameters of a quarterback-friendly system. His talent elevates the Seahawks, but they can survive his struggles.



After a 7-25 record over the past two seasons, the fastest route to respectability is through Griffin’s redemption. So it’s easy to define the upcoming season’s expectations by his performance. But if McCloughan truly gets to build the team his way, this year is much more about Brandon Scherff, Preston Smith and the rest of the 10-player 2015 draft class.
 

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Griffin sucks
 

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I don't care what team you put around Griffin. If he plays like he did last year again this year, we will be bottom dwellers again. So, to a certain extent, this teams success is tied to Griffins redemption. The QB position is just too important in the overall scheme. Now that doesn't mean you must have a PB caliber QB to win, but you at least need A QB that is competent. Griffin has not been there since his first year (neither has any other QB we have).
 

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I don't care what team you put around Griffin. If he plays like he did last year again this year, we will be bottom dwellers again. So, to a certain extent, this teams success is tied to Griffins redemption. The QB position is just too important in the overall scheme. Now that doesn't mean you must have a PB caliber QB to win, but you at least need A QB that is competent. Griffin has not been there since his first year (neither has any other QB we have).

Agree about RG3 & same applies to Cousins if he doesn't improve. However - I don't believe that the long term success of this team is tied to either of these guys. At this pt I look at major contributions from either as a bonus. If they both fall short I believe that this team will survive & find another QB in the next year or two (doesn't have to be a franchise QB).

This doesn't mean that continued failure from either won't hurt them in the short term, but I believe it can still result in a very solid team long term. This would be a major departure from the past where everything revolved around a star player such as RG3.
 

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Agree about RG3 & same applies to Cousins if he doesn't improve. However - I don't believe that the long term success of this team is tied to either of these guys. At this pt I look at major contributions from either as a bonus. If they both fall short I believe that this team will survive & find another QB in the next year or two (doesn't have to be a franchise QB).

This doesn't mean that continued failure from either won't hurt them in the short term, but I believe it can still result in a very solid team long term. This would be a major departure from the past where everything revolved around a star player such as RG3.
+1

Summed up my thoughts almost identically. And also what I thought the crux of the article was.
 

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Agree about RG3 & same applies to Cousins if he doesn't improve. However - I don't believe that the long term success of this team is tied to either of these guys. At this pt I look at major contributions from either as a bonus. If they both fall short I believe that this team will survive & find another QB in the next year or two (doesn't have to be a franchise QB).

This doesn't mean that continued failure from either won't hurt them in the short term, but I believe it can still result in a very solid team long term. This would be a major departure from the past where everything revolved around a star player such as RG3.
Don't disagree. In gruden's offense, I actually think Cousins has a better chance of becoming competent (for lack of a better term) before RG3. In fact, I don't see RG3 succeeding in running this offense. My bet he is not behind center by the end of the year (probably due to injury). Now Cousins has some major issues that he has to overcome and there is no guarantee that he will. But he has the capabilities today to move this offense down the field and put up some points. He has also shown the ability to put up points for the other team.

The good news, as you point out, is we appear to be strengthening the rest of the team. So once we do find that capable QB, we should be able to ease him into the role as he shouldn't be expected to carry the entire team, as we expected RG3 to do.
 

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we can win without a franchise qb . that has been proven in history . what we need is competent qb play from whomever can win the job .

if Rg3 has progressed in film study and in mastering the offense we will be fine . if he is the hold the ball , i dont know where to go with it assclown then we will lose
 

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we can win without a franchise qb . that has been proven in history . what we need is competent qb play from whomever can win the job .

if Rg3 has progressed in film study and in mastering the offense we will be fine . if he is the hold the ball , i dont know where to go with it assclown then we will lose
How long do you think his leash is? If he is making the same mistakes and doesn't appear to be progressing, when do the yank him? My bet is he gets 3-4 games. If he hasn't shown consistent improvement by then, they go to plan B.
 

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How long do you think his leash is? If he is making the same mistakes and doesn't appear to be progressing, when do the yank him? My bet is he gets 3-4 games. If he hasn't shown consistent improvement by then, they go to plan B.

I would guess that you are correct if the play is similar to some of his terrible games last season & if it appears that RG3 is the same QB. This would especially be true if it appears that there is noticeable improvement in other areas such as O-line, D-line & coverage. I just can't see how they could continue to suffer through this type of situation for a lot longer than that given all of the pressure that will result both from within & from the outside.

Let's hope it doesn't come down to this scenario.
 

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I would guess that you are correct if the play is similar to some of his terrible games last season & if it appears that RG3 is the same QB. This would especially be true if it appears that there is noticeable improvement in other areas such as O-line, D-line & coverage. I just can't see how they could continue to suffer through this type of situation for a lot longer than that given all of the pressure that will result both from within & from the outside.

Let's hope it doesn't come down to this scenario.
There is a couple of reasons why they can't let his poor play go on too long. First, his option year. If they decide he ain't the QB of the future, they cant risk him being injured and they on the hook for his option year pay day. Second, they really need to find out if Kirk can be the guy. If KC doesn't get his chance this year, he is most likely gone next year. Which means we are in the rookie QB carousel again, which we all know is a crap shoot.

I agree, let's hope RG3 steps up and becomes a competent NFL QB.
 

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no more then half a year or until we are eliminated from playoff contention . 3-4 games is what "should be done " but again KC / colt have to show why they need to play as well
 
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