Interesting read on why Holgs should be failing...

[GoldRusher]

Recruiting. How can you win big in a league when your recruiting falls in the middle of the pack year after year?


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Doesn't seem to hurt Bill Snyder, Gary Patterson or Mike Gundy.
All 3 have competed for the Big12 title since WVU joined the conference in 2012. WVU has finished ahead of TCU in recruiting ranking every year except 2012, have been toe to toe with OSU in the rankings and have beaten KSU evey year easily (except of course ON the field) yet 5th is the highest the football program has reached in the same timespan under Holgs.

Lyons is doing it right, times up, excuses over, compete for the Big12, win 9-10 games or gtfo.

 

[bbwvfan]

Doesn't seem to hurt Bill Snyder, Gary Patterson or Mike Gundy.
All 3 have competed for the Big12 title since WVU joined the conference in 2012. WVU has finished ahead of TCU in recruiting ranking every year except 2012, have been toe to toe with OSU in the rankings and have beaten KSU evey year easily (except of course ON the field) yet 5th is the highest the football program has reached in the same timespan under Holgs.

Lyons is doing it right, times up, excuses over, compete for the Big12, win 9-10 games or gtfo.

How many years have each of those coaches been the HC of their respective schools? You want to try to compare Dana being at WVU for 5 years to coaches who've been in these programs for 10+ years at a minimum? Gundy has been up and down.

We'll see how Patterson's team fares now that his playmaker at QB and WR are gone. It was easy for Rich to look like a big winner when he had Pat White making plays out of nothing. Same for Boykin... he made Patterson look pretty damn good.

Bill Snyder is one of the best HC's who've ever been. Fair comparison to say the least...

 

[WVUDAD]

you guys DO realize that pointing out NFL players that came through under Holgorsen shows even more what a poor coach he is don't you? It takes away one of your main standing excuses.....

 

[DCWV4life]

First time coach with 4 out of 5 winning seasons, not sure how that means he is a bad coach? 7,8, and 10 wins are all pretty good season though the history of the WVU program. We have never been a dominate force that wins 10 games a season. Have only done it a handful of times including by this coach.

 

[bbwvfan]

Dana has proven he's as poor a coach as Don Nehlen to date!

Everyone who knows college football, understands the three most important positions to determine winning is QB, DL and OL.

If there is any criticism that's ligit... it's the QB situation for Dana.

He's had to develop an OL and DL. This year, he finally will overcome the lack of talent and depth he was dealt when taking over for Billy on both the DL and OL.

 

[Slaton10]

How many years have each of those coaches been the HC of their respective schools? You want to try to compare Dana being at WVU for 5 years to coaches who've been in these programs for 10+ years at a minimum? Gundy has been up and down.

We'll see how Patterson's team fares now that his playmaker at QB and WR are gone. It was easy for Rich to look like a big winner when he had Pat White making plays out of nothing. Same for Boykin... he made Patterson look pretty damn good.

Bill Snyder is one of the best HC's who've ever been. Fair comparison to say the least...

Or Baylor now that there is a " No Criminal Allowed" rule in the recruiting process anymore!

 

[Slaton10]

Back on topic...It is no secret that the biggest Achilles heel for Wv is its in state recruiting base..

I think its fair to say what Wv coaches do versus say another Power School team like Syracuse that has similar issues slam dunks them in bringing kids in...and on the flip side a a school like Rutgers or Maryland can't do shizza with their instate kids

 

[Mac_Bridger]

I crack up every time I see a fly by poster come trolling...

My fault! I did mention ACC bottom feeders.

 

[Mac_Bridger]

Don Nehlen inherited a 2-9 team, had them 9-3 in three years, Holgorsen inherited a 9-4 team and was 3-8 in two years.........Strange you say Fraud didnt play anyone, yet you stand up for Holgorsen losing to KANSAS.....wow. Ten wins doesnt mean quite as much playing 13 games as it did playing 11, does it?

You're wrong about so many things, but the most glaring thing is that Don Nehlen inherited a 5-6 team from Frank Cignetti. Secondly, it took Don Nehlen eight seasons before he had an eight win season. You're the one who loves to tout that Dana isn't qualified because he had never been a head coach before. Well, Don Nehlen never won more than eight games in his first ten seasons as a head coach. In fact, in Don's first five seasons, he held a mere 53% winning percentage. (Reminder: Dana is winning 56% over the same timespan)

 

[WVUDAD]

You're wrong about so many things, but the most glaring thing is that Don Nehlen inherited a 5-6 team from Frank Cignetti. Secondly, it took Don Nehlen eight seasons before he had an eight win season. You're the one who loves to tout that Dana isn't qualified because he had never been a head coach before. Well, Don Nehlen never won more than eight games in his first ten seasons as a head coach. In fact, in Don's first five seasons, he held a mere 53% winning percentage. (Reminder: Dana is winning 56% over the same timespan)

No, my friend, you are digging. 1978 WVU was 2-9, yes in 1979 we were 5-6, since so many on here LOVE to talk SOS, look at the wins in 1979. Nehlen LEARNED his trade at a smaller school, and had his first 9 win season in his SECOND year as a major college HC. You don't hire someone to coach a major school with no experience. Bowling green was hardly a powerhouse in the early 1970s. but Nehlen picked up some big wins against B11 teams. You guys also forget that they didnt used to play 13 games a year, and there were not dozens of bowls. They only PLAYED nine, some years ten games a year, so eight wins is pretty good, it equates to 11 wins now...........Try again, Holgorsen is not a good coach, and that should have been found out somewhere other than at a major school.

 

[WVUDAD]

You just gotta love guys pouring piss on a Hall of famer, 17th in all time wins, in a lame attempt to prop up Holgorsen........

 

[bbwvfan]

http://www.sportshoop.la/cfbt_recor...rginia&fry=1980&thy=1984&yrk=on&vtm=on&cres=3

Don Nehlen vs. year end ranked teams in first 5 years as WVU HC... 5-11.

http://www.sportshoop.la/cfbt_recor...rginia&fry=2011&thy=2015&yrk=on&vtm=on&cres=3

Dana Holgorsen vs. year end ranked teams in first 5 years as WVU HC... 5-12.

There is a reason WVU's HOF HC pisses on fans like DAD. He knows the deal... for real...

Don had a better winning percentage during his first 5 years because he didn't play as difficult an overall schedule.

 

[WVUDAD]

Yet again people want to compare apples to oranges, people, there are more total games played today than 30 years ago, so total wins don't mean the same thing, 8 wins in 1975 is the same percentage as 10-11 wins today, there were 20% LESS ranked teams 30 years ago, as there was only top 20 polls, today there are top 25 polls. Holgorsen couldn't carry Nehlen's jock strap.

 

[bbwvfan]

The AP poll expanded to 25 teams in '88. Comparing apples to apples...

http://www.sportshoop.la/cfbt_recor...rginia&fry=1988&thy=1992&yrk=on&vtm=on&cres=3

Don Nehlen from '88 to '92 went 1-13-2 vs. year end ranked teams.

HOF numbers right there... Dana would agree....

 

[mad2mc]

No, my friend, you are digging. 1978 WVU was 2-9, yes in 1979 we were 5-6, since so many on here LOVE to talk SOS, look at the wins in 1979. Nehlen LEARNED his trade at a smaller school, and had his first 9 win season in his SECOND year as a major college HC. You don't hire someone to coach a major school with no experience. Bowling green was hardly a powerhouse in the early 1970s. but Nehlen picked up some big wins against B11 teams. You guys also forget that they didnt used to play 13 games a year, and there were not dozens of bowls. They only PLAYED nine, some years ten games a year, so eight wins is pretty good, it equates to 11 wins now...........Try again, Holgorsen is not a good coach, and that should have been found out somewhere other than at a major school.

If we go with your model, then Nehlen should have been in contention every year since coming to WVU. You state that a major school should not hirer a HC without them coaching at a smaller school. You state the Meyers and Sabans of the world and throw Don in the mix like he achieved the same thing as they did. Where are the Hall of Famers NCs? Nehlen was the right man at the right time for the job, but your coaching model terribly fails when it came to WVU and a winning tradition under him.

 

[Slaton10]

Yet again people want to compare apples to oranges, people, there are more total games played today than 30 years ago, so total wins don't mean the same thing, 8 wins in 1975 is the same percentage as 10-11 wins today, there were 20% LESS ranked teams 30 years ago, as there was only top 20 polls, today there are top 25 polls. Holgorsen couldn't carry Nehlen's jock strap.

 

[Slaton10]

No, my friend, you are digging. 1978 WVU was 2-9, yes in 1979 we were 5-6, since so many on here LOVE to talk SOS, look at the wins in 1979. Nehlen LEARNED his trade at a smaller school, and had his first 9 win season in his SECOND year as a major college HC. You don't hire someone to coach a major school with no experience. Bowling green was hardly a powerhouse in the early 1970s. but Nehlen picked up some big wins against B11 teams. You guys also forget that they didnt used to play 13 games a year, and there were not dozens of bowls. They only PLAYED nine, some years ten games a year, so eight wins is pretty good, it equates to 11 wins now...........Try again, Holgorsen is not a good coach, and that should have been found out somewhere other than at a major school.

DAD you know I am going to go digging on some of this shizza you spout...Nehlen DID NOT have " BIG WINS" against Big 10 teams...he managed to beat Purdue by 3 points ...that would be a SINGLE win against a BIG10 team and one that underachieved and went 6-5 that year..(1972)

A team that included Gary Danielson, Otis Armstrong, Dave Butz , Gar Hrivnac and Darryl Stingley....

His only other credible wins during his tenure at Bowling Green when two wins against Syracuse in a home and home series.

He never won more than 8 games at Bowling Green..somehow Wv hired a Coach that went 47-38-2 and 6-5 in his last season...I guess they really hated Cignetti!!

 

[WVUDAD]

DAD you know I am going to go digging on some of this shizza you spout...Nehlen DID NOT have " BIG WINS" against Big 10 teams...he managed to beat Purdue by 3 points ...that would be a SINGLE win against a BIG10 team and one that underachieved and went 6-5 that year..(1972)

A team that included Gary Danielson, Otis Armstrong, Dave Butz , Gar Hrivnac and Darryl Stingley....

His only other credible wins during his tenure at Bowling Green when two wins against Syracuse in a home and home series.

He never won more than 8 games at Bowling Green..somehow Wv hired a Coach that went 47-38-2 and 6-5 in his last season...I guess they really hated Cignetti!!

Slaton, BGSU aint Alabama or Ohio State, you forget also that Nehlen left HC at BGSU and learned a little bit from Bo, one of the greats. Dig all you want, he never PLAYED more than 11 games at BGSU, most years there were 9 or 10 games. Credible wins at BGSU are not the same as credible wins here, at BGSU credible wins include Toledo, Miami, Oh, etc. The shizza being spouted here are those who are making excuses for a lousy coach, while dumping piss on every single thing WVU had done prior to Luck coming, and everything that has happened since he bailed. By the way, BGSU beating Purdue and 'Cuse is a bigger deal than WVU beating Alabama would be.

 

[DCWV4life]

At Bowling Green he only coached less than 10 games 1 time.....

WVU was 12 games a season.

I think the beating Purdue statement might be one of your all time best lame comments

By the way not pouring piss on anything, I merely stated he has had 4 out of 5 winning seasons and 7, 8, and 10 games rate right there with the type of seasons WVU has considered successful.

 

[WVUDAD]

Why is it lame to say BGSU beating Purdue is a huge deal? Purdue has a better football pedigree than WVU has, would you view it as no big deal if WVU lost to BGSU?
Winsipedia - West Virginia Mountaineers vs. Purdue Boilermakers football series history