Interesting article from Keim

[skinz2winz]

if stats dont matter then neither do rankings . you act like colt and keenum were building blocks in JG's mind . JG KNEW DHC was a bust from day one . he was proven right . every year there are qbs who are thought to be the next great franchise qbs and they turn to urine . how many people thought Chosen Rosen was the man ? . there was talk of trading our pick to get him . but JG knew he was a bust too . the FRAKING OWNER ignored his football people and made the pick . ITS ALL HIS FAULT FOR MAKING THE PICK HE gets 90% of the blame and DHC gets 10 %

If Gruden knew sh*t even, he would still be here but he didn't so... No one knew and no one still knows if DH is a bust as its too early even though his time here is finished. The guy is young, he alot of growing up to do and hopefully as all that happens to include his QB prowess, and he lands in a spot that suits him and becomes a viable QB in this league. Wish him the best!

 

[deanpet21]

Our QBs being McCoy and Keenum have no bearing on DH being a good or bad pick.

A pick is EITHER good or bad.

Let‘s use your logic and pretend Dwayne Haskins had stayed in school. Would it have been a good pick to take Drew Lock at 15 overall because he was the next QB taken? Take it a step further and pretend Lock wasn’t here. Will Grier was next at 100 overall. Would it have been wise to take him at 15 because you are so desperate not to have CM or CK start? That is your justification taking DH at 15 overall.

I am not saying DH was a good or bad pick. I am not blaming Snyder for DH because we don’t know how it went down. I am saying your logic is horrendous. You can’t make healthy decisions in anything relying on desperation.

DH was a projected 1st round QB. Some had him #1 QB. If he didn't come out they wouldn't of taken Lock at #15 b/c his talent level was a 2nd round level. My logic or Dan;s logic was the talent level is there and we needed a young QB. So he made the pick. Most of Redskins nation was happy with this pick and GM's around the league said it made sense. My justification was a talented QB was there.

 

[deanpet21]

If Gruden knew sh*t even, he would still be here but he didn't so... No one knew and no one still knows if DH is a bust as its too early even though his time here is finished. The guy is young, he alot of growing up to do and hopefully as all that happens to include his QB prowess, and he lands in a spot that suits him and becomes a viable QB in this league. Wish him the best!

thats my point why is it all Synders fault when we needed a QB ibn 2019. lol

 

[deanpet21]

snyder should have investigated him better before making the pick . he didnt its his fault 90% DHC 10%

you can go search engine the 2019 draft and tell me what posters were against the Haskins pick.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

you can go search engine the 2019 draft and tell me what posters were against the Haskins pick.

Lance for one. Pretty sure Tomcat and Sportster too. Wasn’t here last year so other than those, not sure

 

[deanpet21]

Lance for one. Pretty sure Tomcat and Sportster too. Wasn’t here last year so other than those, not sure

Show me those messages. Probably Ohio St haters. lol

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Show me those messages. Probably Ohio St haters. lol

Lance was in a thread recently. Talking about a test done by Sports sense for intangibles in players. DH had the lowest score apparently. Just reading Tomcats and Sportsters recent posts tell you there points of view

 

[gkekoa]

DH was a projected 1st round QB. Some had him #1 QB. If he didn't come out they wouldn't of taken Lock at #15 b/c his talent level was a 2nd round level. My logic or Dan;s logic was the talent level is there and we needed a young QB. So he made the pick. Most of Redskins nation was happy with this pick and GM's around the league said it made sense. My justification was a talented QB was there.

What made him a projected first? Was it his actual scouting grade or based on need of teams drafting? Those are far different things.

who is they? Stop listening to they.

Your logic was we had to draft DH because we had CM and CK at QB...not that DH warranted the pick.

I was happy with the pick. I understood the pick, but I also understand we don’t have all the information we need to make a decision. There were plenty questioning the pick.

 

[deanpet21]

What made him a projected first? Was it his actual scouting grade or based on need of teams drafting? Those are far different things.

who is they? Stop listening to they.

Your logic was we had to draft DH because we had CM and CK at QB...not that DH warranted the pick.

I was happy with the pick. I understood the pick, but I also understand we don’t have all the information we need to make a decision. There were plenty questioning the pick.

the guy had a huge year at Ohio St. You really think he would of fell out of the first round? they are the Gm's who were interviewed and other college players and fans. Who questioned the pick at that time? For a QB to put up those numbers at a big time school doesnt usually fall out of the first round.

 

[skinz2winz]

you can go search engine the 2019 draft and tell me what posters were against the Haskins pick.

the guy had a huge year at Ohio St. You really think he would of fell out of the first round? they are the Gm's who were interviewed and other college players and fans. Who questioned the pick at that time? For a QB to put up those numbers at a big time school doesnt usually fall out of the first round.

We can argue this all day long. DH's was evaluated as a 1st rounder, whether that was pick 4, 15, 22 or 30 he was 1st round talent by all. The guy shit the bed and we pay for it, simple as that. Whether it was us or another team, DH was going round 1 however, I believe (W/Gruden still here) other teams would have taken the "learn from a vet" approach for a year or two then inserted him into action. Hopefully with a new staff and a new way of thinking, we can right this ship and find a viable replacement at QB while this defense remains intact.

Quite frankly, "Dwayne done messed up", so can we move along now. It's over!

 

[Breed]

Think about where we were at at QB in April of 2019.

The Skins are expressly in the position they are today QB-wise because of Snyder. His last 3 personally handpicked players have been Donovan McNabb, Robert Griffin, Dwayne Haskins. McNabb didn't last a season. Griffin lasted 4 seasons, but his 4th the Skins had no plans to play him and didn't due to a 17 million dollar payout he'd get if he got injured that year. After a 9-6 rookie season he went 4-17 or some shitshow number the following 2 seasons in games he started with Kirk Cousins winning 2 of those 4 games due to Griffin getting hurt and coming out.

Meanwhile Snyder's right hand man, Bruce Allen, was playing hard ball with the best QB the Skins have had in the Snyder era over 4 to 8 million yearly dollars. Yet KC still ended up with 42 million dollars over 2 years on the franchise tag before signing what was to my knowledge. The first fully guaranteed contract in the NFL with the Vikes. Which made necessary the Skins having to sign another QB which they did. To the tune of 94 million
dollars with 71 million guaranteed and a 27 million dollar signing bonus to one Alex Smith.

All of this ^^^^^^ preceded drafting Haskins. And all of it one way or another directly leads to Snyder and him treating the Skins like a real life fantasy football team which is his right. He is after all the owner. He's a very shitty owner though and you might be the last Skins fan in existence that had the audaciousness to actually defend his triflin ass.

 

[skinsdad62]

you can go search engine the 2019 draft and tell me what posters were against the Haskins pick.

again what does a bunch of posters have to do with it ? consensus amongst posters win ? i can assure you i had reservations and others flat out hated it .

my reservations dealt with experience . i did say he could read defenses and posted videos about it but i bet good money sportster , tomcat , and tlance (he who made me eat crow ) werent thrilled with the selection certainly sty supported the pick but with a caveat that he be managed properly i
now the above posters can set me straight if i am wrong but i am pretty sure i defended the pick generally had had debates with them about him

but again all of this is moot because my access to information is no where near the investigative resources snyder had at his disposal and the staff in DC . his staff said he isnt the guy , snyder overruled them ,. now his reasoning might be sound as your debating point seems to be today but that doesnt excuse him from making the choice or accepting blame for making it

 

[gkekoa]

the guy had a huge year at Ohio St. You really think he would of fell out of the first round? they are the Gm's who were interviewed and other college players and fans. Who questioned the pick at that time? For a QB to put up those numbers at a big time school doesnt usually fall out of the first round.

QBs have huge years all the time in college.

He could have fallen out of the first.

Former GMs you mean with other jobs now. College players and fans? Really dude?

Several posters on here, not me.

Players fall out of the first round all the time, QBs included.

 

[Sportster 72]

Show me those messages. Probably Ohio St haters. lol

The reason you put some posters on ignore is they continually say stupid shit. Since my name came up in Cali's post I looked to see what stupid shit you said ... I was right, it was stupid shit.

You are partially right. I am a Penn State fan, so NOT an Ohio State fan. You did not see me suggest the WTF should draft Trace McSorely. Also a local kid. The reason .... I did not see pro potential despite a good college career. I felt the same way about Haskin's, he did not have 1st round talent. If you look back 2019 draft class was not supposed to be a good QB class. I don't care if our next great QB comes from Bowie State, the Naval Academy or Ohio State. I am not a Notre Dame fan but I was a fan of Joe Theismann.

Long story short, I was NOT for drafting Haskin's. However I did hope he would be good. Why would a WTF fan not root for a QB on his team?

 

[Breed]

the guy had a huge year at Ohio St. You really think he would of fell out of the first round?

I think it's very possible had it not been for Snyder. We'll never know for sure though. What we do know for sure though is that Snyder fucked off the Skins 1st rd pick in the 2019 draft by selecting who he did. The Skins needing a QB doesn't make that OK.

they are the Gm's who were interviewed and other college players and fans. Who questioned the pick at that time? For a QB to put up those numbers at a big time school doesnt usually fall out of the first round.

The scouting reports I read graded him with 1st round talent, but all of the reports also said he was a project. Who was would need to improve upon aspects of his game if he were to become a successful NFL QB due to his inexperience.

 

[deanpet21]

QBs have huge years all the time in college.

He could have fallen out of the first.

Former GMs you mean with other jobs now. College players and fans? Really dude?

Several posters on here, not me.

Players fall out of the first round all the time, QBs included.

One year wonders from big time schools with those stats usually dont fall out of the first round.

 

[deanpet21]

The reason you put some posters on ignore is they continually say stupid shit. Since my name came up in Cali's post I looked to see what stupid shit you said ... I was right, it was stupid shit.

You are partially right. I am a Penn State fan, so NOT an Ohio State fan. You did not see me suggest the WTF should draft Trace McSorely. Also a local kid. The reason .... I did not see pro potential despite a good college career. I felt the same way about Haskin's, he did not have 1st round talent. If you look back 2019 draft class was not supposed to be a good QB class. I don't care if our next great QB comes from Bowie State, the Naval Academy or Ohio State. I am not a Notre Dame fan but I was a fan of Joe Theismann.

Long story short, I was NOT for drafting Haskin's. However I did hope he would be good. Why would a WTF fan not root for a QB on his team?

haskins was not a first round talent? that is some stupid shit in today's drafting of Qb's.

 

[deanpet21]

I think it's very possible had it not been for Snyder. We'll never know for sure though. What we do know for sure though is that Snyder fucked off the Skins 1st rd pick in the 2019 draft by selecting who he did. The Skins needing a QB doesn't make that OK.


The scouting reports I read graded him with 1st round talent, but all of the reports also said he was a project. Who was would need to improve upon aspects of his game if he were to become a successful NFL QB due to his inexperience.

All one year wonders are projects but the guy showed ability b/c of his numbers Ohio St. Posters on here are dismissing that he wasnt a 1st round QB is crazy. Plus he never did anything off the field at Ohio St to warrant that he was going to be a headcase in the pros. Plus he beat out Joe Burrow at Ohio St. So your telling me the guy didnt have talent?

 

[deanpet21]

again what does a bunch of posters have to do with it ? consensus amongst posters win ? i can assure you i had reservations and others flat out hated it .

my reservations dealt with experience . i did say he could read defenses and posted videos about it but i bet good money sportster , tomcat , and tlance (he who made me eat crow ) werent thrilled with the selection certainly sty supported the pick but with a caveat that he be managed properly i
now the above posters can set me straight if i am wrong but i am pretty sure i defended the pick generally had had debates with them about him

but again all of this is moot because my access to information is no where near the investigative resources snyder had at his disposal and the staff in DC . his staff said he isnt the guy , snyder overruled them ,. now his reasoning might be sound as your debating point seems to be today but that doesnt excuse him from making the choice or accepting blame for making it

Synder made the choice on talent(huge year at Ohio St) and need. To say he was a reach or over drafted at #15 overall is crazy. Again this wasnt the 1st or 2nd pick of the draft like a J. Russell or Ryan Leaf. Of course we dont know what goes on behind close doors for scouting but haskins didnt have off field troubles at Ohio St and beat out JoE Burrow to win the job. So why would his talent be in question when we picked him at #15 overall?

 

[skinsdad62]

Synder made the choice on talent(huge year at Ohio St) and need. To say he was a reach or over drafted at #15 overall is crazy. Again this wasnt the 1st or 2nd pick of the draft like a J. Russell or Ryan Leaf. Of course we dont know what goes on behind close doors for scouting but haskins didnt have off field troubles at Ohio St and beat out JoE Burrow to win the job. So why would his talent be in question when we picked him at #15 overall?

the hole point is SNYDER SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN PICKING ANYONE . i dont care about his talent . its obvious the whole picture was not taken into account ., his HC and the scouts said dont do it . he ignored him , its his fault . why he did it , how the pick is justified is of no consequence . its pretty easy to understand