Incomplete Pass vs. Amazing TD

[Wazmankg]

I didn't see that one, is there a link somewhere? I'd say any time you lose possession before the goal line it's a fumble and unless you get it back, tough.

On Bell's carry he dove over the line towards the goal line and the ball clearly broke the plane before it was knocked loose. I don't have a replay but it wasn't really that close.

 

[Microwahevo]

I think you have to catch the ball cleanly and secure before you can "make" a football move.

But how can u extend the football if u don't have it secure? He had both his hands on the ball and extended it. Football move to me. And he also has both his feet down as well.

 

[eric5577x]

Did you watch the replay ? The ball didn't move one iota in his hands until it hit the ground.

I know, but I think you have to control it all the way through the play. Like I said, I am not sure, it is very confusing. I think the rules are different for when you catch the ball in the EZ compared to entering the EZ.

 

[eric5577x]

But how can u extend the football if u don't have it secure? He had both his hands on the ball and extended it. Football move to me. And he also has both his feet down as well.

Preaching to the choir man...I just think the rules are different for each play.

 

[eric5577x]

Just watched it again. I think they are saying he lost control of the ball when he hit the ground. I think if he makes that catch and the ball does not move, its a TD. As for Cruz, he already had possession of the ball and made a "football" move by reaching for the EZ. Once that tip crosses the GL, play is over and its a TD.

 

[Wazmankg]

Item 1: Player Going to the Ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or
without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.


Something neither of these guys did.

No, neither did. But they don't call it consistently. There was one last season that was called a TD. Denario Alexander caught one while falling into the end zone against the Broncos He didn't even get a 2nd foot down. The ball bobbled loose when he hit the ground and they called it a TD. There's too much left to the refs judgment with this call. If the guy is falling when he makes the catch and the ground causes it to come loose it's either a catch or it's not...enough with this "he could have, or did, make a football move" BS.

 

[Wazmankg]

I would argue that CJ reaching the football out towards the goal line is a "football move."

Exactly.

 

[eric5577x]

Cruz was a correct call. Once the ball crosses the GL, its a TD and the play is dead. Not sure why Calvin was not..Could be they messed that up too.

 

[Broncos6482]

Just watched it again. I think they are saying he lost control of the ball when he hit the ground. I think if he makes that catch and the ball does not move, its a TD. As for Cruz, he already had possession of the ball and made a "football" move by reaching for the EZ. Once that tip crosses the GL, play is over and its a TD.

 

[redseat]

Did you watch the replay ? The ball didn't move one iota in his hands until it hit the ground.

Yes I did... As he is heading to the ground it slightly does move...but we have the benefit of the super slooooomo replay. I don't think he was ruled down by contact either (correct?) if that is the case then per nfl rules the ground can not cause a fumble...

I still think it should have been a TD but it wasn't called and I believe that's why

 

[redseat]

No, neither did. But they don't call it consistently. There was one last season that was called a TD. Denario Alexander caught one while falling into the end zone against the Broncos He didn't even get a 2nd foot down. The ball bobbled loose when he hit the ground and they called it a TD. There's too much left to the refs judgment with this call. If the guy is falling when he makes the catch and the ground causes it to come loose it's either a catch or it's not...enough with this "he could have, or did, make a football move" BS.

but this is the NFL... they love making up stupid rules

 

[uncfan103]

Also Cruz caught the ball with two hands and then tucked it into his right arm while taking his left hand off the ball. That's a football move to me. Then as soon as he breaks the plane with his knee down, it's a touchdown and the play is over.

I thought it was pretty clear Cruz caught the ball and made a football move. I don't think Calvin Johnson did that.

 

[uncfan103]

Just watched it again. I think they are saying he lost control of the ball when he hit the ground. I think if he makes that catch and the ball does not move, its a TD. As for Cruz, he already had possession of the ball and made a "football" move by reaching for the EZ. Once that tip crosses the GL, play is over and its a TD.

Bingo.

 

[RobBase]

This "football move" junk is some serious brain washing bullshit. We've all been watching (and some of us playing) football our whole lives. But all of a sudden we need Roger Goodell to tell us what a "football move" is? Fuck off with that pile of lies.

 

[mcro_rave_2001]

He had two feet down in the field of play, and had possession when he broke the goal line.

TD Lions!!!!!

 

[Mondio]

With Johnson, i don't think anything matters other than he was in the process of going to the ground when he was making the catch. Any time that happens you MUST maintain possession throughout that process. If he's 10 feet in the air diving for a ball and travels 40 yards down field like only CJ can, and spends 10 seconds in the air and holds the ball securely without moving that entire time and pulls heisman poses in mid air (obvious football moves) but when he hits the ground and the ball moves, it's not a catch.

 

[Vadered]

The irony is that if Johnson doesn't extend the ball he likely maintains control and ends up in the end zone, since nobody touched him.

And no, I don't think it was a catch. He was clearly falling already; in those situations you have to hold on through the contact with the ground.

That said, I agree with the intended point - Cruz's wasn't a catch either.

 

[Microwahevo]

Pereira: Officials wrongly gave Victor Cruz a TD on incomplete pass | ProFootballTalk

Seems the former head of officials seems to think the Cruz TD was incorrect. Hmmmm.....

 

[gvsulaker82]

All of these rules about process and shit were created so the refs could control the game more. Hey lets throw some confusing bullshit out there so no one can ever be 100% sure its a td catch or not. Its ridiculos, remember when a td catch was a td catch and everyone watching it knew it immediately? Now as fans its difficult to discern due to all of the bullshit in the process language. Im still pissed about calvins td against the bears that somehow wasnt as that one could very well have changed the course of an entire sesson for two teams. Galarraga also threw a perfect game that wasnt, i mean what gives?

 

[Wazmankg]

All of these rules about process and shit were created so the refs could control the game more. Hey lets throw some confusing bullshit out there so no one can ever be 100% sure its a td catch or not. Its ridiculos, remember when a td catch was a td catch and everyone watching it knew it immediately? Now as fans its difficult to discern due to all of the bullshit in the process language. Im still pissed about calvins td against the bears that somehow wasnt as that one could very well have changed the course of an entire sesson for two teams. Galarraga also threw a perfect game that wasnt, i mean what gives?

Agree 100% with everything and especially Calvin's catch. But my biggest beef is that they're not consistent and the reason is this "he made a football move" BS. There's nothing about making a "football move" while catching the ball when going to the ground in the fucking rule book. If you're falling when you catch the ball and the ball comes loose when you hit the ground it should either be a catch 100% of the time or be incomplete 100% of the time. I don't care how many fucking moves you make when you're falling.