Incomplete Pass vs. Amazing TD

[Microwahevo]

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Why is Calvin's an incomplete pass but Cruz' is an amazing TD??

Just wondering. Thoughts?

 

[catchbluefish]

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Why is Calvin's an incomplete pass but Cruz' is an amazing TD??

Just wondering. Thoughts?

Because cruz does the Salsa better and is therefore more entertaining?

I don't remember the circumstances of both but could it possibly have been what the initial call was? If it was originally called a TD or not refs tend to be reluctant to overturn the initial call unless they have "indisputable evidence" which I think the definition is disputable in and of itself....but that is a discussion for another day.

 

[Mondio]

just by watching it, I'd say they got it right.

I can't explain it by the "rules", but on the surface, Cruz's looked like a catch and then ground causing fumble. Calvin's, although when you break it down seems very similar, to me looks like he was in the process of a catch and securing when he hit the ground and it clearly came out and he rolled over it and secured it again.

He was going to the ground in the process of making a catch, think he has to maintain all the way thru. He didn't.

Cruz wasn't going to the ground for his catch and to me clearly looked like he gained possession before stretching for the endzone.

Either way, when I watch it, my eyes tell me one was a catch, the other wasn't. I think they got them right.

 

[Microwahevo]

CJ's was originally called a TD.

And Cruz didn't even get both his feet down. He only got one down, so his "process" wasn't complete. And in both the ground caused the ball to move, Cruz' moreso than CJ's.

 

[redseat]

Cruz caught the ball, made a football move and had the ball cross the plane of the goalline... therefore its a TD... calvin was incomplete because they said he never had control of the ball and it was moving in his hands and it hit the ground before he fully gained control of the ball. All Cruz had to do was break to goaline and its a TD

 

[Mondio]

I don't think CJ's was a catch. It doesn't even look like one and because he happened to roll over the top of it doesn't mean the ground caused it to move less . Cruz wasn't going to the ground to make his catch. he obviously secured possession and had it with a foot and elbow down and reached while maintaining possession

Like I said, I don't know what the rules are, but my eyes tell me the "right" calls here made.

 

[Broncos6482]

CJ's was originally called a TD.

And Cruz didn't even get both his feet down. He only got one down, so his "process" wasn't complete. And in both the ground caused the ball to move, Cruz' moreso than CJ's.

But Cruz's elbow hit the ground. It's tough to tell from those replays but did Calvin Johnson ever get that second foot down before he hit the ground in the end zone? It didn't really look like it to me, but then again it's hard to tell.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I have more of a problem with joique Bell's TD... So if u are running with the ball, control of the ball is irrelevant as long as you cross the line?? But calvin's td was not a TD??

 

[Mondio]

i don't think it matters if he did though because he was stretched out and already going to the ground to make the catch. When doing that you must maintain possession throughout and he clearly didn't. At least that is what the rule is.

 

[Mondio]

I have more of a problem with joique Bell's TD... So if u are running with the ball, control of the ball is irrelevant as long as you cross the line?? But calvin's td was not a TD??

I didn't see that one, is there a link somewhere? I'd say any time you lose possession before the goal line it's a fumble and unless you get it back, tough.

 

[Broncos6482]

Also Cruz caught the ball with two hands and then tucked it into his right arm while taking his left hand off the ball. That's a football move to me. Then as soon as he breaks the plane with his knee down, it's a touchdown and the play is over.

 

[Bunkamania]

Item 1: Player Going to the Ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or
without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.


Something neither of these guys did.

 

[Destroydacre]

I have more of a problem with joique Bell's TD... So if u are running with the ball, control of the ball is irrelevant as long as you cross the line?? But calvin's td was not a TD??

That's the issue I have with the rule too. If you have possession of the ball in the field of play as soon as the nose of the ball hits the goal line, play is over. Instantly. But when the ball is thrown into the end zone, you have to "complete the process of the catch" or whatever bullshit they call it now. The way I see it, as soon as you have the ball in your hands and two feet down, play should be over. Just like it is every other time the ball crosses the plane. Why you have to hold on while falling to the ground has never made sense to me and it adds even more referee judgment to the game which is not a good thing. Cruz's TD should have been ruled incomplete based on the rule book because he failed to "complete the process of the catch."

Also Cruz caught the ball with two hands and then tucked it into his right arm while taking his left hand off the ball. That's a football move to me. Then as soon as he breaks the plane with his knee down, it's a touchdown and the play is over.

I would argue that CJ reaching the football out towards the goal line is a "football move."

 

[eric5577x]

Someone explained it yesterday. I think the NFL has so many new rules now, they are not even sure how to call them. I thought they said that Cruz caught the ball, made a football move towards the EZ, was hit, but the ball was across the GL. Calvin sense he caught it in the EZ, had to continue the catch without an issue. I think IF you are in the EZ you have to complete the catch. If you are entering the EZ, like Cruz, you just have to cross the plain....I am sure I just made it more confusing! LOL

 

[Jakology]

Calvin was contacted in the air. He then landed and reached the ball over the goal line, which is a football move. His leg and elbow it the ground before he lost control of the ball. The play was over then. It was a TD. But its whatever. 2nd time this has happened to him. Getting TDs stolen from him. Maybe the NFL is doing it on purpose so his numbers don't get too ridiculous. lol

 

[eric5577x]

That's the issue I have with the rule too. If you have possession of the ball in the field of play as soon as the nose of the ball hits the goal line, play is over. Instantly. But when the ball is thrown into the end zone, you have to "complete the process of the catch" or whatever bullshit they call it now. The way I see it, as soon as you have the ball in your hands and two feet down, play should be over. Just like it is every other time the ball crosses the plane. Why you have to hold on while falling to the ground has never made sense to me and it adds even more referee judgment to the game which is not a good thing. Cruz's TD should have been ruled incomplete based on the rule book because he failed to "complete the process of the catch."



I would argue that CJ reaching the football out towards the goal line is a "football move."

I think you have to catch the ball cleanly and secure before you can "make" a football move.

 

[eric5577x]

Calvin was contacted in the air. He then landed and reached the ball over the goal line, which is a football move. His leg and elbow it the ground before he lost control of the ball. The play was over then. It was a TD. But its whatever. 2nd time this has happened to him. Getting TDs stolen from him. Maybe the NFL is doing it on purpose so his numbers don't get too ridiculous. lol

IDK, the NFL has sure made if confusing for everyone these days.

 

[Bunkamania]

The NFL just makes it up as they go.

Remember the time Eli dove on the ground and lost the ball resulting in a fumble? Then, last year, some other player did the same thing but, they said he was giving himself up so; it wasn't?

 

[Bunkamania]

Or the time Big Ben fumbled the ball at the goalline in Miami? They then went to replay to see if it was in fact a fumble, which it was, then they didn't know who recovered it so, they let the Steelers have the ball back at the spot of the fumble and replayed the down. You could clearly see who had the ball when the play was over and it wasn't the Steelers.

 

[Wazmankg]

Cruz caught the ball, made a football move and had the ball cross the plane of the goalline... therefore its a TD... calvin was incomplete because they said he never had control of the ball and it was moving in his hands and it hit the ground before he fully gained control of the ball. All Cruz had to do was break to goaline and its a TD

Did you watch the replay ? The ball didn't move one iota in his hands until it hit the ground.