If you were Shanny

[Vadered]

im pretty sure i saw something on the postgame tonight that said Neal was suspended? maybe for a different hit? i dunno

It was for the second hit he was involved in.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

U will never get the nhlpa to agree to have ANYONE in their membership lose a portion of their salary plus pay a fine on top of that... Just look at bertuzzi Moore ... The nhlpa went to bat for bertuzzi

And ownership won't agree to have their assets, the players , miss playing time and cost them potential revenue

So we're just banging our heads against the wall

But if miracles do happen and the system changes it can't just be about suspending players x amount of games and or x amount of dollars

The team of the suspended player should also lose that roster spot for the duration of the suspension ... Ie they dress 1 less player for games during the suspension ... This way even the lesser suspensions have some teeth

This idea I like.

If a coach knows he'd have to play a game with too few players, he'd work a lot harder to keep guys in line.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

This idea I like.

If a coach knows he'd have to play a game with too few players, he'd work a lot harder to keep guys in line.

Ray Ferraro was just talking about how the coaching mantra "finish your check" only really came to be prevalently used within the last 15 years ... as he was ending his career ... and certain players who finished checks became the "coaches pet" so to speak ... guys who had no regard for the puck and only used the puck as an "organizing point to prepare the next hit they threw" (his words)

"hit ... hit ... hit ... never worry about the puck"

he called out Jarko Ruutu pretty good (lol)

but back to the point ... if an "energy player" is getting suspended for late hits or leaving his feet AND costing his team the ability to dress a replacement player while he is suspended, thus probably costing the team wins ... the coach isnt gonna love that type of player much anymore

 

[dash]

A little off-topic:

Did anybody else see Bettman in the stands at the United Center last night with that stupid smirk on his face? Where is Chris Chelios when we really need him?

 

[Darkstone42]

Okay, adjustments to my program. I like the idea of losing roster spots of players who are suspended, so that is included. Additionally, I like 46and2's idea about hitting the teams in the cap.

So the fines listed are no longer assessed to the players, nor to the team's revenue, but directly to the salary cap for the following season. I was going to deviate from 46and2's suggestion in that I would assess the cap penalty immediately instead of in following years, but that would make the penalty different based on when the incident occurred, so I changed my mind.

Consequently, double all the "fines" for each, and call them a cap penalty.

I would also say that any team with five or more suspensions of any sort should have to go without a roster spot for the entire next season, and every five suspensions lose the team one roster spot in the following year.

 

[Winged_Wheel88]

Brendan Shanny was a bullfrog

do do do

Was a good friend of mine

do do do

Never understood a single ruling he made, but I helped him to drink his wine

 

[banditshcky11]

There are some great ideas in here, however the NHL and NHLPA will never let them pass. The suspension terms costs the players too much salary and fine on top of that would make thie purposal unacceptable.

The simplest way to fix this shit is to bring back the enforcers. You never saw hits like this in the 60's, 70's, 80's 90's cause guys knew if they even thought about throwing one of them they were going to get pounded.

Truth is that the league really lets needs to re-write the rule book and then sit down with the refs and teach them how to call the games across the board. The single biggest contribution to these hits IMO is the fact that the refs are constantly letting games get out of hand because they are intrepreting the rules too much and letting things go. If they just called every game by the same standards regardless of team, time of year or type of game a lot of this shit would be avoided.

Then when someone goes out and does something stupid and the NHL has to step in they need a clear cut suspension plan. I personally feel it should go something like this.

For head shots/intent to injure plays/dangerous stick penalties(high sticks & brutal slashes).
1st offense- 2 games(no pay)
2nd offense- 4 games(no pay)
3rd offense- 8 games(no pay)
4th offense- 15games(no pay)
5th offense- 36games(no pay)
6th offense- lifetime ban from the NHL

These should be the basis of the penalties not based on blatant intent to injure or injury itself. If it seems like a player intended to kill someone or the reciepent was severely injured I'm ok with the term of games and inclusion of a fine, but I don't feel that the lack of injury warrants a lack of suspension. Also all suspension would to be served during the regular season and if a played were suspended in the playoffs those games would be extra punishment not counted towards his total. Let's face it most of these guys live for the playoffs and that would just be an extra kick in the nuts.

Teams should also be penalized if they have a player or numerous players going out and making these types of dangerous plays. Maybe something like a monetary fine, lose of call-up, or penalty in the upcoming seasons cap hit depending on the frequency and severity of the occurances.

 

[elocomotive]

It seems like we're always arguing about fines vs. suspensions and lengths of suspensions. But the arguments always degrade because some posters are debating what the penalty should be, while others are debating what the penalty should be with regard to precendents already set by Shanahan.

I'm offended by Dacks' statement - does he honestly believe we are not capable of arguing both at the same time?

 

[Dacks]

I'm also wondering if it's the best idea to have a VP of discipline who was once a player. Would it not be better to hire one who was once a ref?

I mean, you don't put an ex-con on the supreme court, do you? Just because you were a good player, why would that make you qualified in any way to make logical and judicial decisions? In fact we've seen the opposite.

I will give Shanny credit for one thing: the explanation videos. It's transparency, and it's a step in the right direction. Now we just need proper decisions to go along with these videos.

 

[Eddie_Shack]

I'm also wondering if it's the best idea to have a VP of discipline who was once a player. Would it not be better to hire one who was once a ref?

I mean, you don't put an ex-con on the supreme court, do you? Just because you were a good player, why would that make you qualified in any way to make logical and judicial decisions? In fact we've seen the opposite.

I will give Shanny credit for one thing: the explanation videos. It's transparency, and it's a step in the right direction. Now we just need proper decisions to go along with these videos.

Yeah, they should make McGeough head of player discipline. I bet ten bucks he would find a way to suspend Henrik Lundqvist for the hit on Hossa.

 

[BF4L]

I'm going to present a general idea for how to handle NHL discipline. If you want to see how an offense would be dealt with under my system, present it to me.

For all Rule 48 hits and offenses not involving a hockey play (i.e. going after a guy away from the puck or in a scrum):

All listed suspensions are indisputable minima. More games can be added for more egregious actions. Fines are fixed.
-1st offense: 5 game suspension without pay, plus a $10,000 fine.
-2nd offense: 20 game suspension without pay, plus a $50,000 fine.
-3rd offense: 82 game suspension without pay, plus a $500,000 fine.
-4th offense: 164 game suspension without pay, plus a $2 million fine.
-5th offense: Lifetime ban, $5 million fine.

The team will be fined twice the amount the player is fined, plus a fine of a $1 million annual contract prorated for the length of the suspension. Coaches will also be fined $50,000 for any such incident.

For Rule 48 infractions deemed to be strictly intentional, double the penalty. Same for non-hockey-play infractions involving an attack from behind.

For boarding, charging which does not involve contact to the head, and knee-on-knee hits:

-1st offense: 2 game suspension without pay, plus a $2500 fine.
-2nd offense: 10 game suspension without pay, plus a $10,000 fine.
-3rd offense: 25 game suspension without pay, plus a $50,000 fine.
-4th offense: 50 game suspension without pay, plus a $100,000 fine.
-5th offense: 82 game suspension without pay, plus a $500,000 fine.

This time, the team is fined twice the amount the player is fined, but no fine proportional to suspension length. All suspension lengths are minimum, fines are fixed. Coaches will be fined $10,000 for all incidents.

Under these rules, "accidental" incidents will be punished at these levels. Intentional ones should be scaled up accordingly.

Playoff considerations:
Suspensions simply carry into the playoffs, but since players don't get paid in the playoffs, a fine will be assessed to make up the money they would have lost had they been regular season games. Same for infractions committed in the playoffs.

I like this:

Minor changes though

All listed suspensions are indisputable minima. More games can be added for more egregious actions. Fines are fixed.
-1st offense: 5 game suspension without pay, plus a $10,000 fine.
-2nd offense: 20 game suspension without pay, plus a $50,000 fine.
-3rd offense: 82 game suspension without pay, plus a $500,000 fine.
-4th offense: Excluded from NHL.

Also the team needs to be involved in the action. Player gets a 10k fine so does the team etc etc.

 

[BF4L]

Now I will get controversial.

1st Matt Cooke - I despise this piece of shit but can admit that after being suspended,fined and told that he would not play in the NHL if another incident occurred has cleaned up his game. He was a good player prior too and has become a better player.

Raffi Torres Repeat offender and if you watch that shift he had the other night he was running around with bad intentions. He missed on one player and continued on his mission eventually finding Hossa and layed him out. Need to be eliminated from the NHL for good.

Brad Marchand (Everyones fav) Took a suspension and has not even come close to anything cheap since. In fact I would argue that he is not playing all well because he does not want to mix it up and be that little rat that was on the edge.


I love physical hockey. I like good fights. I want to see players play with a edge but do it legally. Nobody can say that my favorite team has not seens more than its share of concussions and I hate to see good players taken out by dirty plays. If they hammer the dirty players the dirty players will not be around long. 3 strikes your outta here.

 

[mattola]

NBA Justice

Mavs’ Delonte West fined $25,000 for physical taunt; gave Hayward earful with finger poke - The Washington Post

Mavericks guard Delonte West has been fined $25,000 by the NBA for jabbing his finger into the ear of Jazz swingman Gordon Hayward during the second quarter of Utah’s 123-121 triple-overtime win over Dallas on Monday.

The NBA issued the fine Wednesday, calling it a “physical taunt.”

thats one expensive Wet Willy

 

[dash]

That's an expensive wet willy...

 

[jstewismybastardson]

thats an expensive wet willy

 

[mattola]

nothing controversial in that BruinsFan4life

 

[mattola]

That's an expensive wet willy...

thats an expensive wet willy

 

[Darkstone42]

NBA Justice

Mavs’ Delonte West fined $25,000 for physical taunt; gave Hayward earful with finger poke - The Washington Post




thats one expensive Wet Willy

That's an expensive wet willy...

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This just in!

My sources tell me that's an expensive wet willy!

More to come!

That's what she said...

 

[jstewismybastardson]

Raffi Torres Repeat offender and if you watch that shift he had the other night he was running around with bad intentions. He missed on one player and continued on his mission eventually finding Hossa and layed him out. Need to be eliminated from the NHL for good.

I dont know how you can say he had bad intentions in that he wanted to kill someone or maim someone

Im in the school that believes raffi torres is just a complete and utter idiot ... that even though he's been suspended multiple times just this year, he cant figure it out and learn how to hit opposition players without leaving his feet

the single digit game suspensions havent changed his behaviour ... time to step things up to double digits ... and honestly, Ill tell you what, I dont think that will stop him from throwing this hit ... his brain is wired to think hits like that are "just finishing my check" even though he's been told multiple times they arent

in summary, Raffi Torres is an idiot

 

[higgyfan4]

Now I will get controversial.

1st Matt Cooke - I despise this piece of shit but can admit that after being suspended,fined and told that he would not play in the NHL if another incident occurred has cleaned up his game. He was a good player prior too and has become a better player.

Raffi Torres Repeat offender and if you watch that shift he had the other night he was running around with bad intentions. He missed on one player and continued on his mission eventually finding Hossa and layed him out. Need to be eliminated from the NHL for good.

Brad Marchand (Everyones fav) Took a suspension and has not even come close to anything cheap since. In fact I would argue that he is not playing all well because he does not want to mix it up and be that little rat that was on the edge.


I love physical hockey. I like good fights. I want to see players play with a edge but do it legally. Nobody can say that my favorite team has not seens more than its share of concussions and I hate to see good players taken out by dirty plays. If they hammer the dirty players the dirty players will not be around long. 3 strikes your outta here.

+1 Agree with everything you say, especially the highlighted part.