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You can make trips all you want. But without major games instate, it's very difficult to convince kids to leave home for you, where their friends and family can see them play.

Just ask Arkansas what happened to their Texas pipeline when they left for the SEC.

Look, not trying to make light of the situation in tejas... but..

1st, OU, NU, Ohio State, Bama, USC and teams who have a long reach as well as notable histories will come in to tejas and get some players. No, they will not get all of them but they have no need too because they recruit nationally.

2nd, if tejas's reputation keeps building the way it is right now... kids in that State will be looking towards other universities before they consider tejas.

Honestly, I see aTm (if they go to SEC) winning big. Those kids are going to want to play an SEC schedule and will be able to stay at a local University all the while... and although the SEC fans may say BS to the following... but if that happens... aTm won't be a middle of the pack SEC team long...

I am not sure how many of the local tejas kids will want to go play Pac 12 teams... as they (Pac 12) do not have a great reputation for some reason outside of their own league.

Tejas would either best suited to go indy or Big Ten... and I am not sure the Big Ten would take on that ego or the troubles that seem to follow tejas where ever they go.

If they go indy.. they will have to find teams willing to play by their rules or by the LHN set up... and that may be difficult too...
 
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Wrong again star.

The basis for needing the rrr to recruit dates back nearly 40 years to 120+ player rosters. thats not the case anymore. what was the population of of texas in 1970, what is it now, how bout 11 million vs 26million. Lets see 2/3 the recruits and over two times the population. If you hook bevo to us and go out west you'll be able to recruit as well as OU and TAM. But if you dont your program is going to be tough sale.

LMAO......that's why the SEC wants so many games played in Dallas, it doesn't help them recruit Texas AT ALL, LOL

That's why they want A&M, cause it doesn't help their recruiting in state

Seriously man, don't be stupid here on PURPOSE.
 

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Do you really not see a difference in those two games and their relative importance? Seriously?

I just find it interesting. In the 90's, when OU was awful, nobody cared about that game. It was all A&M-Texas every year. A&M goes into a dry spell and now the reverse is true. A&M-Texas has more history than Texas & OU, which isn't debatable. The only thing that is debatable is which rivalry is fiercer. Texas A&M seems to care more about Texas than Texas cares about it. Texas seems to care more about Oklahoma than Oklahoma does about it. As reported today, Oklahoma thinks they don't need Texas, anymore. For my two cents, I think OU needs Texas more than A&M, which ironically contrasts with the way each school feels.
 

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Look, not trying to make light of the situation in tejas... but..

1st, OU, NU, Ohio State, Bama, USC and teams who have a long reach as well as notable histories will come in to tejas and get some players. No, they will not get all of them but they have no need too because they recruit nationally.

2nd, if tejas's reputation keeps building the way it is right now... kids in that State will be looking towards other universities before they consider tejas.

Honestly, I see aTm (if they go to SEC) winning big. Those kids are going to want to play an SEC schedule and will be able to stay at a local University all the while... and although the SEC fans may say BS to the following... but if that happens... aTm won't be a middle of the pack SEC team long...

I am not sure how many of the local tejas kids will want to go play Pac 12 teams... as they (Pac 12) do not have a great reputation for some reason outside of their own league.

Tejas would either best suited to go indy or Big Ten... and I am not sure the Big Ten would take on that ego or the troubles that seem to follow tejas where ever they go.

If they go indy.. they will have to find teams willing to play by their rules or by the LHN set up... and that may be difficult too...



This is why I don't agree with you. Kids don't play for CONFERENCES. They play for winning programs.

Kids didn't grow up in Texas, Ohio, Nebraska, etc wanting to play for the Big 12, SEC, Big 10......they grew up wanting to be a Longhorn, an Husker, a Buckeye......

A&M only wins out in recruiting battles if they are WINNING ball games in the SEC. If they are getting smoked weekly, it won't matter that they are in the SEC.

Texas is never going to lose out on most of the talent in the state, because they are the marquee program, and regardless of conference, they put more players in the NFL than the majority of the SEC.

Question for you. Kentucky is in the SEC. Louisville was in CUSA, and is now in the BE. Which program gets the better recruits? Hmmmmmmm?
 

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youve been wrong this whole summer about so many things its not even funny. i could start a list but its not worth time. How bout the Network and the Pac, hows that working out.
 

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I just find it interesting. In the 90's, when OU was awful, nobody cared about that game. It was all A&M-Texas every year. A&M goes into a dry spell and now the reverse is true. A&M-Texas has more history than Texas & OU, which isn't debatable. The only thing that is debatable is which rivalry is fiercer. Texas A&M seems to care more about Texas than Texas cares about it. Texas seems to care more about Oklahoma than Oklahoma does about it. As reported today, Oklahoma thinks they don't need Texas, anymore. For my two cents, I think OU needs Texas more than A&M, which ironically contrasts with the way each school feels.

Complete bullshit. I was a student at Texas during the 90's and those RRSO's were some intense games and had some of the best finishes, even though both programs were down. Maybe your Tshirt fan might have thought that, but not true alumni..........
 

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I just find it interesting. In the 90's, when OU was awful, nobody cared about that game. It was all A&M-Texas every year. A&M goes into a dry spell and now the reverse is true. A&M-Texas has more history than Texas & OU, which isn't debatable. The only thing that is debatable is which rivalry is fiercer. Texas A&M seems to care more about Texas than Texas cares about it. Texas seems to care more about Oklahoma than Oklahoma does about it. As reported today, Oklahoma thinks they don't need Texas, anymore. For my two cents, I think OU needs Texas more than A&M, which ironically contrasts with the way each school feels.

Agreed on all counts. But if A&M really cared about tradition they would have worked to resolve their differences with the conference.
 

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Ugh...I hoped that some of the douchiness and bravado had been left at the CULT OF THE FROZEN HEAD message board.

Boy...was I wrong.

Are there any texas fans that have lateral thinking capacity?

You guys DO realize that things are going to change very soon right?

I just want you dorks to take a step back and realize what COULD happen...don't want it to be a shock when it does.

First it was "we don't care if Colo and Neb leave...they're just running away from our dominance" - WRONG...then it was "we're texas and we can do whatever we want with our network" - WRONG...now it's "you can't do without playing us"....

lol...man, I guess it starts at the top eh? Is DeLoss secretly you guys' dad or uncle?

Ever since the network deal w/ESPN was announced, I've said it: TEXAS WILL BE AN INDEPENDENT

Have fun.

Realize this...when it comes to what is best for the University of Oklahoma AS A WHOLE, there is nothing TOO sacred or untouchable.
 

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Agreed on all counts. But if A&M really cared about tradition they would have worked to resolve their differences with the conference.

And therein lies the rub. I believe that this exact predicament is why A&M didn't go with Arkansas to the SEC. A&M, at the time, found it too hard to separate themselves from all those old rivalries; however it's become clear that times are changing. My feelings are that A&M believes that, for its own betterment, it has to sever ties with its current conference. Aggies are excited to go to the SEC, but don't let any of them fool you into thinking that it doesn't cause their hearts pain.
 

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And therein lies the rub. I believe that this exact predicament is why A&M didn't go with Arkansas to the SEC. A&M, at the time, found it too hard to separate themselves from all those old rivalries; however it's become clear that times are changing. My feelings are that A&M believes that, for its own betterment, it has to sever ties with its current conference. Aggies are excited to go to the SEC, but don't let any of them fool you into thinking that it doesn't cause their hearts pain.

Well, as I've said here before......A&M has to look out for A&M....but I"m not sold they're going into this with the right mentality.

I think the biggest criticism I've always had with A&M is the groupthink mindstate that always plays the victim card. If a A&M recruit chooses Texas, WITHOUT FAIL Texas MUST be cheating.

This whole LHN thing is a great example. Leadership at A&M failed to have enough vision to see the potential of such an alliance - an opportunity to market the school better, increase brand recognition, open up new revenue streams.....so when it happened, they went ballistic. Instead of actually building their own brand, marketing the school, utilizing all the same advantages that Texas has to build up the program - they basically quit.

That type of mentality will not do well in the SEC. Once A&M leadership actually starts to LEAD, then I think they'll prosper. But right now I just don't see it.
 

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Well, as I've said here before......A&M has to look out for A&M....but I"m not sold they're going into this with the right mentality.

I think the biggest criticism I've always had with A&M is the groupthink mindstate that always plays the victim card. If a A&M recruit chooses Texas, WITHOUT FAIL Texas MUST be cheating.

This whole LHN thing is a great example. Leadership at A&M failed to have enough vision to see the potential of such an alliance - an opportunity to market the school better, increase brand recognition, open up new revenue streams.....so when it happened, they went ballistic. Instead of actually building their own brand, marketing the school, utilizing all the same advantages that Texas has to build up the program - they basically quit.

That type of mentality will not do well in the SEC. Once A&M leadership actually starts to LEAD, then I think they'll prosper. But right now I just don't see it.

While I agree with most of that, I would argue that this whole leave for the SEC scenario has been leadership. It takes a lot of guts to do whats being done. Putting your school in an uncertain future takes a lot of risk.
 

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While I agree with most of that, I would argue that this whole leave for the SEC scenario has been leadership. It takes a lot of guts to do whats being done. Putting your school in an uncertain future takes a lot of risk.

True enough. But if A&M is getting destroyed weekly 3 years into the SEC move, I'm not confident the crying and moaning won't be at a fever pitch, with fans blaming half the conference for cheating, lying, stealing, and my favorite new complaint, "unfair advantages"

Leadership has to take advantage of the fact they have a large alumni base, facilities, and a large endowment. Marketing, branding, all that needs to be done.

I'm just afraid that simply moving to the SEC is seen as a cure all for a LOT of self inflicted issues in College Station, instead of actually FIXING the problems.
 

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While not a complete troll, starbig you have to be the biggest homer douche on here. And you represent why everyone in the nation is sick of the longhorns. Nobody NEEDS you! OU enjoys playing against you. So does A&M. But you wanna get all high and mighty, either school is willing to walk away from you! Hell, if A&M joins the SEC that leaves an open date (Arkansas) already played in Jerry World. Guarantee you A&M and OU wouldn't mind making that happen, especially if Texas tries to bluff its importance on the RRSO like they have the Thanksgiving game. Going into this season it's Bedlam and A&M at OU that are most likely to decide the conference champ. NOT any game played with Texas. Get your head out of your own steer ass!!!
 

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While not a complete troll, starbig you have to be the biggest homer douche on here. And you represent why everyone in the nation is sick of the longhorns. Nobody NEEDS you! OU enjoys playing against you. So does A&M. But you wanna get all high and mighty, either school is willing to walk away from you! Hell, if A&M joins the SEC that leaves an open date (Arkansas) already played in Jerry World. Guarantee you A&M and OU wouldn't mind making that happen, especially if Texas tries to bluff its importance on the RRSO like they have the Thanksgiving game. Going into this season it's Bedlam and A&M at OU that are most likely to decide the conference champ. NOT any game played with Texas. Get your head out of your own steer ass!!!

*sigh* yet another shortsighted, delusional fool with a computer.

No one here is talking about winning the conference, or deciding ANYTHING.

We are discussing the impact of OU's recruiting in the state of Texas without playing a major (or really ANY) games in the state.

You are a complete MORON if you think playing Texas in Texas is not an important game for OU and their recruiting prospects.

This makes the game more necessary for OU than Texas. There's also the matter of 5 million in which that game generates for both schools.

This is not about being arrogant.....it's a statement on the IMPORTANCE of this game.

If you can't grasp that, don't post. you've clearly shown that you don't understand much about football, let alone the importance of this game for recruiting purposes.
 

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Well I for one would miss the OU/texas game tremendously just like I miss the OU/Nebraska game. But the texas game is a lot more special because it's in Dallas, at the State fair, and I get to go every year. There's really nothing else like it and imo stands out from the rest.
 

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Damn you are dense. The point is A&M vs OU in Dallas would fill that hole recruiting wise. ESPECIALLY if A&M was in the SEC. Texas can continue thinking that they are the grand masters of the world...and it will pass them right by.
Recruiting wise, OU (PAC) vs A&M (SEC) would far outweigh OU (PAC) vs texas (PAC or indy) in the near future. Especially when texas goes 5-7 again this year.
 

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Damn you are dense. The point is A&M vs OU in Dallas would fill that hole recruiting wise. ESPECIALLY if A&M was in the SEC. Texas can continue thinking that they are the grand masters of the world...and it will pass them right by.
Recruiting wise, OU (PAC) vs A&M (SEC) would far outweigh OU (PAC) vs texas (PAC or indy) in the near future. Especially when texas goes 5-7 again this year.

As much as I hate Texas even I know that won't happen this year.
 

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I see them definitely losing to BYU, UCLA, OU, OSU, A&M, and Baylor. Mizz and KSU are coin flips. They lose one of those two = 5-7
 

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It's all good.

If Texas doesn't get to play OU and A&M every year, they can always schedule Rice and Florida directional. I can just see the people lining up to get the LHN for those gems.
 

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Fuck texas....we need to get our yearly back with Nebraska. Sets up nicely....and could even end up as a precursor for the Rose Bowl. EVERY YEAR.
 
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