How important is the draft?

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Pulled this from Calgarypuck - Let's compare notable Flames draft picks in the 80's and 90's

First the 80's

1980 9 181 Hakan Loob
1981 1 15 Al MacInnis
1981 3 56 Mike Vernon
1984 1 12 Gary Roberts
1984 6 117 Brett Hull
1984 9 180 Gary Suter
1985 2 27 Joe Nieuwendyk
1987 8 166 Theoren Fleury

Now the 90's (note: the following are all first round picks after the Flames won the Cup in '89)

Trevor Kidd
Niklas Sundblad
Cory Stillman
Jesper Mattsson
Chris Dingman
Denis Gauthier
Derek Morris
Daniel Tkaczuk
Rico Fata
Oleg Saprykin
Brent Krahn

 

[BostonAJ]

I think I found your problem.

 

[puckhead]

Draft schmaft

hey, didn't you guys have Cliff Fletcher for a while, too?
Ironically, I think that was the time when the Flames were drafting well.

for comparison (and it pains me to do this) here are the Canucks 1st rounders from the 90s:
Nedved (passed over Primeau, Ricci and Jagr for that one),
Shawn Antoski,
Alex Stojanov,
Libor Polacek,
Mike Wilson,
Matthias Ohlund (can't complain about that one),
Josh Holden,
Brad Ference,
Bryan Allen,
and then closed out on a strong one with the Sedins.

 

[Automattic]

Pulled this from Calgarypuck - Let's compare notable Flames draft picks in the 80's and 90's

First the 80's

1980 9 181 Hakan Loob
1981 1 15 Al MacInnis
1981 3 56 Mike Vernon
1984 1 12 Gary Roberts
1984 6 117 Brett Hull
1984 9 180 Gary Suter
1985 2 27 Joe Nieuwendyk
1987 8 166 Theoren Fleury

Now the 90's (note: the following are all first round picks after the Flames won the Cup in '89)

Trevor Kidd
Niklas Sundblad
Cory Stillman
Jesper Mattsson
Chris Dingman
Denis Gauthier
Derek Morris
Daniel Tkaczuk
Rico Fata
Oleg Saprykin
Brent Krahn

So how many different GM's were there in the 80's as opposed to the 90's?

PS: What is this 1st round you speak of!?

 

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So how many different GM's were there in the 80's as opposed to the 90's?

PS: What is this 1st round you speak of!?

Trader Cliff Fletcher was GM of the Flames during the glory years in the 80's. He left for Toronto and then fleeced Doug Risebrough in a 10 player swap. Al Coates took over after Riser was fired to close out the 90's.

As for the 1st round, yeah the Wings always seem to find those gems in the later rounds. Flames currently don't have a pick in either of the first two rounds of this year's draft.

 

[Burns80y]

Pulled this from Calgarypuck - Let's compare notable Flames draft picks in the 80's and 90's

First the 80's

1980 9 181 Hakan Loob
1981 1 15 Al MacInnis
1981 3 56 Mike Vernon
1984 1 12 Gary Roberts
1984 6 117 Brett Hull
1984 9 180 Gary Suter
1985 2 27 Joe Nieuwendyk
1987 8 166 Theoren Fleury

Now the 90's (note: the following are all first round picks after the Flames won the Cup in '89)

Trevor Kidd
Niklas Sundblad
Cory Stillman
Jesper Mattsson
Chris Dingman
Denis Gauthier
Derek Morris
Daniel Tkaczuk
Rico Fata
Oleg Saprykin
Brent Krahn

Figure skater Rico Fata was a first round pick. . . wow!

 

[Automattic]

Trader Cliff Fletcher was GM of the Flames during the glory years in the 80's. He left for Toronto and then fleeced Doug Risebrough in a 10 player swap. Al Coates took over after Riser was fired to close out the 90's.

As for the 1st round, yeah the Wings always seem to find those gems in the later rounds. Flames currently don't have a pick in either of the first two rounds of this year's draft.

right on, i knew about the fletcher thing, i was just too lazy to look up the rest.. And i really have no clue why swedes have the ability to scout so well...

 

[Comeds]

Habs were equally awful in the 90s

1990 Turner Stevenson
1991 Brent Bilodeau
1992 David Wilkie
1993 Saku Koivu (Rory Fitzpatrick drafted 2nd!)
1994 Brad Brown
1995 Terry Ryan
1996 Matt Higgins
1997 Jason Ward
1998 Eric Chouinard
1999 Alexander Buturlin

The last 5 are really some good picks. I say last 5 because Brad Brown looks like a great pick compared to the following ones.

After that, most of the players while not great are all in the NHL and are legitimet NHLers so thats something. Gets a little iffy with Chipchura in 2004 and David Fischer in 2006, but he was out of high school so he might not be a bust yet.

 

[mooger_35]

After the first 5 picks the first round is almost as much a crap shoot as the rest of the draft.

Scouting is FAR from an exact science.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

Ottawa

1992 - Alexei Yashin
1993 - Alexandre Daigle
1994 - Radek Bonk
1995 - Bryan Berard
1996 - Chris Phillips
1997 - Marian Hossa
1998 - Mathieu Chouinard
1999 - Martin Havlat

The first few years they were picking so high that it was generally Central Scouting who was making the pick. Later first round picks like Hossa and Havlat were nice picks.

The Sens also plucked some serviceable to excellent players from rounds other than the the 1st:

1993 - Pavol Demitra (9th round)
1994 - Daniel Alfredsson (6th round)
1996 - Andreas Dackell (6th round)
1996 - Sami Salo (9th round)
1997 - Magnus Arvedson (5th round)
1998 - Mike Fisher (2nd round)
1998 - Chris Neil (6th round)
1999 - Chris Kelly (3rd round)

The draft was of huge importance for the Sens in building a team that went to the playoffs 12 straight years from 1996-2008.

 

[sbb122]

Figure skater Rico Fata was a first round pick. . . wow!

I knew Fata was, Dingman was the one that made me say WOW!

 

[postmaster]

The other day, one of the local radio stations said that the highest drafted player on the Wings was Dan Cleary at 13th. I remember thinking to myself that I was surprised it was not Brad Stuart.
I just did some research and I was right. Stuart was taken 3rd by San Jose.
The next highest pick after Cleary is Brad May at 14th which was surprising.
The only first round picks by the wings on the team are Kronwall, taken 29th and Kindl, an up and coming d-man who was taken 19th overall who should see some ice team in the next few years.

 

[esls79]

Draft schmaft

hey, didn't you guys have Cliff Fletcher for a while, too?
Ironically, I think that was the time when the Flames were drafting well.

for comparison (and it pains me to do this) here are the Canucks 1st rounders from the 90s:
Nedved (passed over Primeau, Ricci and Jagr for that one),
Shawn Antoski,
Alex Stojanov,
Libor Polacek,
Mike Wilson,
Matthias Ohlund (can't complain about that one),
Josh Holden,
Brad Ference,
Bryan Allen,
and then closed out on a strong one with the Sedins.

Wasn't Stojanov dealt straight up for Markus Naslund?

 

[KennyBanyeah]

Wasn't Stojanov dealt straight up for Markus Naslund?

Yes... Yes he was. The Pens felt they needed "toughness".

 

[puckhead]

Wasn't Stojanov dealt straight up for Markus Naslund?

yeah, Stojanov was 6th overall, Naslund was 8th, so we actually traded down. :p
I think Stojanov was a fireman within two years of the trade.

 

[smo5039]

lets not talk about that trade.

 

[mattola]

Pulled this from Calgarypuck - Let's compare notable Flames draft picks in the 80's and 90's

First the 80's

1980 9 181 Hakan Loob
1981 1 15 Al MacInnis
1981 3 56 Mike Vernon
1984 1 12 Gary Roberts
1984 6 117 Brett Hull
1984 9 180 Gary Suter
1985 2 27 Joe Nieuwendyk
1987 8 166 Theoren Fleury

Now the 90's (note: the following are all first round picks after the Flames won the Cup in '89)

Trevor Kidd
Niklas Sundblad
Cory Stillman
Jesper Mattsson
Chris Dingman
Denis Gauthier
Derek Morris
Daniel Tkaczuk
Rico Fata
Oleg Saprykin
Brent Krahn

1990 NHL Entry Draft Picks at hockeydb.com

look who was drafted 20 after Kidd.. Im thinking the Draft is pretty important. Look at #2 over #5 for the Canucks..... sigh..... woulda shoulda coulda..... sigh

 

[KennyBanyeah]

1990 NHL Entry Draft Picks at hockeydb.com

look who was drafted 20 after Kidd.. Im thinking the Draft is pretty important. Look at #2 over #5 for the Canucks..... sigh..... woulda shoulda coulda..... sigh

Brodeur has more shutouts in the NHL than 5 skaters picked ahead of him have points and more points than 3 of them.

 

[elocomotive]

Pretty important I guess. Here's the Caps picks from the 90s...

* 1990: John Slaney (9th overall)
* 1991: Pat Peake (14th overall) and Trevor Halverson (21st overall)
* 1992: Sergei Gonchar (14th overall)
* 1993: Brendan Witt (11th overall) and Jason Allison (17th overall)
* 1994: Nolan Baumgartner (10th overall) and Alexander Kharlamov (15th overall)
* 1995: Brad Church (17th overall) and Miika Elomo (23rd overall)
* 1996: Alexandre Volchkov (4th overall) and Jaroslav Svejkovsky (17th overall)
* 1997: Nick Boynton (9th overall)
* 1999: Kris Beech (7th overall)

And now in the 2000s...
2002: Steve Eminger (12th overall), Alexander Semin (13th overall), and Boyd Gordon (17th overall)
2003: Eric Fehr (18th overall)
2004: Alexander Ovechkin (1st overall), Jeff Schultz (27th overall), and Mike Green (29th overall)
2005: Sasha Pokulok (14th overall) and Joe Finley (27th overall)
2006: Nicklas Backstrom (4th overall) and Semyon Varlamov (23rd overall)
2007: Karl Alzner (5th overall)
2008: Anton Gustafsson (21st overall) and John Carlson (27th overall)
2009: Marcus Johansson (24th overall)

'04 and '06 were dandies.

 

[postmaster]

1990 3rd Keith Premeau
1991 10th Marty Lapointe
1992 22nd Curtis Brown
1993 22nd Anders Eriksson
1994 23rd Yan Golubovsky
1995 26th Maxim Kuznetsov
1996 26th Jesse Wallin
1998 25th Jiri Fischer
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2000 29th Niklas Kronwall
2005 19th Jakub Kindl
2007 21st Brendan Smith
2008 30th Thomas McCollum