Hold out?

[Winged_Wheel88]

I understand the NFL can terminate players at any point they like. All well and good, it's business. But if you sign a 5 year deal play it out. If Johnson wanted a new deal after 3 years, sign a 3 year deal originally.

Yes i understand he has earned a bigger payday from on the field performance. But if you have ever read any of his tweets(especially blasting the fans and calling them racists, because they told him to end the holdout) he should be thankful he is an NFL player. Based on his tweets his other job options would most likely be....

1. Cab/Bus Driver
2. Crackhead
3. Armed Robber
4. Crackhead
5. Poster child for staying in college
6. Crackhead
7. Maple Leafs GM

You forgot to mention Crackhead.

 

[DChero]

You forgot to mention Crackhead.

Leprechaun CRAZY remix in Mobile Alabama - YouTube

My videos always come up blank...

 

[elocomotive]

Bottom line for me is you make damn good money playing a game meant for children. Be thankful for what you earn and stop the more, more more attitudes.

I understand that attitude. You kind of have the stay in school/do the right thing mentality. I get that, I think I used to be more of that position and I understand the ideals and sentimentality behind it. But I think you really have to keep in mind how quickly a NFL career can be over and how little security you have. In millionaires vs. billionaires, I just tend to side with the "little guy."

As for college. School costs $20-30K/year. You can earn $2-3 million/year as a top pick in the pros. I can't say it makes sense to play college ball at a loss of $2,970,000 when you can go back to school any time.

 

[elocomotive]

What if Snyder bought a new team and then hired Matt Millen as his GM?

If it would mean having to sell his current one, I FULLY support it!

 

[Slimpikins]

Slim, jared and Eloco, i absolutely get your points and respect your opinions. Me personally, i just find it hard to understand why you hold out for more money when you agreed to terms.
The other thing that drives me insane is you were given an oppurtunity for a free education (via scholarship) which isnt available to a majority of our youth and you walk away from it for money??? And when you leave your institution of higher learning, you can't speak publicly, give an interview or compose a sentence without making yourself come across as an ass?

Bottom line for me is you make damn good money playing a game meant for children. Be thankful for what you earn and stop the more, more more attitudes.

The problem is that you expect one party to uphold those terms whent he other party doesn't have to. What they have now is an unbalanced system. If they Guarantee contracts then you can hold a player to the contract that he signed but as it stands now they don't everyone knows its always an ongoing negotiation.

Best part is that I am the biggest pro-owner guy and even I know that the current system is completely unbalanced toward the owners.

Also intelligence and litteracy have nothing to do with it. That is as asinine as saying my accounting job is going to pay me less because of my slow 40 time. They get paid becuase the generate revenue from their ability on the field.

 

[Vadered]

I understand that attitude. You kind of have the stay in school/do the right thing mentality. I get that, I think I used to be more of that position and I understand the ideals and sentimentality behind it. But I think you really have to keep in mind how quickly a NFL career can be over and how little security you have. In millionaires vs. billionaires, I just tend to side with the "little guy."

As for college. School costs $20-30K/year. You can earn $2-3 million/year as a top pick in the pros. I can't say it makes sense to play college ball at a loss of $2,970,000 when you can go back to school any time.

Technically, many of the folks making 3 million a year probably couldn't go back at any time, since once they lose eligibility, a lot of football players won't meet the academic requirements to stay in. Some will - particularly quarterbacks and defensive players, since those positions require more thought - but many won't.

Still, eloco is right. A degree earns you something like a million more over the course of your career. Some get more, some get less. An single NFL contract for a premiere skill position player will net you much, much more than that, and if you look at it objectively, you would be a fool not to take the NFL gig as soon as it is available.

And in response to this quote:

I understand the NFL can terminate players at any point they like. All well and good, it's business. But if you sign a 5 year deal play it out. If Johnson wanted a new deal after 3 years, sign a 3 year deal originally.

I would agree with you on this if not for one thing. Nobody, including the team, expects the team to honor this contract if you underperform. I have no problem with a player then holding out if they overperform. If there were a team that had a history of doing right by their contracts, I'd say holding out would be wrong, but the way the NFL works, it's not really appropriate to call it a contract. It's more of an anticipated value. Two years from now, the Eagles expect Vick to be worth $x or more. He expects to be worth $x or less. If he's worth about $x, both sides will be happy. If in two years he feels he is worth much more than $x, he can either take what his expected value was, or he can risk that money and hold out for more. If in two years the team feels he is worth much less than $x, the team can give what his expected value was and hope he gets better, or it can cut him and try to win with the replacements they have on the roster or can acquire. It's not a contract like a mortgage or a lease, and I think it's unfair to treat it that way.

 

[Cmon_WTF]

What's the deal with the agency that Doughty is with? Apparently Josh Bailey has the same agent. For some unknown reason he hasn't signed his qualifier. Wang has a policy that if a player doesn't sign before camp he will be forced to sit out the season, & he ISN'T kidding.

Bailey was so bad last year he was sent down to the minors for 2 weeks. How could his agent possibly believe he deserves more than the qualifier?

Luke Schenn, Brad Marchand, and I believe Bogosian all go through the same agency and are unsigned.

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

This is why I love being a Lion's fan. I can say the most vile, horrible thing about anyone else's team, and they invariably ask, "well, which team do you like smart guy?" When I reply with Detroit, they get the same look on their face as my mom did when I would come in with a bloody knee from crashing my bike...

I agree that Washington is moving in a good direction. I'm also cautiously optimistic about my Lions.

What if Snyder bought a new team and then hired Matt Millen as his GM?

If Rex Grossman is your teams starting QB your team did not have a good offseason. The preseason means squat. Shanahan is one of the most overrated coaches in the NFL. The Redskins will be in serious contention in the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

I can understand why Doughty turned down the 9 year deal. He wants to become a UFA in 4 or 5 years so he can cash in.

Marchand obviously feels he deserves a big pay raise after helping the Bruins win the cup.

Bailey on the other hand has absolutely zero leverage. He's done nothing to deserve any raise. Yet he's still unsigned.

 

[Ho_Brah]

Doughty has already declined a 9 year, $61 mill deal that would make him the highest paid King ($6.8m per) along side Kopitar.
what more can he want?


the answer is probably less term so he can UFA earlier.

I can’t say I blame Doughty for not wanting to sign a 9 year contract at this point in his career. 5 year deals are pretty common for elite players coming off of their ELC. A five year deal certainly would not be good for the Kings, but I think DL is dreaming if he thinks Doughty is ever going to agree to 9 years. I say, try to get him to 6 years, so at least that way you aren’t dealing with trying to get Kopitar and Doughty signed at the same time. But that’s about as many years as I think you’re going to get.

 

[BOSSMANPC]

The downside to guaranteed long term contracts is that some players play like they have guaranteed long term contracts.

Maybe they can find a happy medium somewhere along the line.

 

[DChero]

I can’t say I blame Doughty for not wanting to sign a 9 year contract at this point in his career. 5 year deals are pretty common for elite players coming off of their ELC. A five year deal certainly would not be good for the Kings, but I think DL is dreaming if he thinks Doughty is ever going to agree to 9 years. I say, try to get him to 6 years, so at least that way you aren’t dealing with trying to get Kopitar and Doughty signed at the same time. But that’s about as many years as I think you’re going to get.

At the same time, there are way too many guys that get paid based on potential, rather than results. I think the Kings would be better off by losing the player and saving that much in cap, as the risk seems higher than the reward. Just a thought.

 

[elocomotive]

If Rex Grossman is your teams starting QB your team did not have a good offseason. The preseason means squat. Shanahan is one of the most overrated coaches in the NFL. The Redskins will be in serious contention in the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

You can't base the entire offseason on one player. McNabb threw 14 TDs and 15 picks last year. He' a talented guy, but he wasn't listening to the coaches and while Grossman is undoubtedly in the bottom 10 starting QBs, he'll likely outperform those numbers. Other than that, they got better at almost every starting position outside of losing Rogers, who is a great corner. More than that, they have young talent and more depth that should develop and improve over time. And for once, they got multiple guys to help this team instead of one big name free agent who came to town just to get paid. They got some great players in the draft (Kerrigan, Hankerson) and some good role players (Gafney, Cofield, etc.) in the I agree Shanahan is overrated, but he's competent and the team (even last year) was doing the little things (like tackling!) better with him at the helm. It's going to take time, but the effort is there, they are deeper, and this is definitely an improved team. I think it will take a few years for the wins to kick in, but they'll be competitive in a few seasons, and should be a better team this year.

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

You can't base the entire offseason on one player. McNabb threw 14 TDs and 15 picks last year. He' a talented guy, but he wasn't listening to the coaches and while Grossman is undoubtedly in the bottom 10 starting QBs, he'll likely outperform those numbers. Other than that, they got better at almost every starting position outside of losing Rogers, who is a great corner. More than that, they have young talent and more depth that should develop and improve over time. And for once, they got multiple guys to help this team instead of one big name free agent who came to town just to get paid. They got some great players in the draft (Kerrigan, Hankerson) and some good role players (Gafney, Cofield, etc.) in the I agree Shanahan is overrated, but he's competent and the team (even last year) was doing the little things (like tackling!) better with him at the helm. It's going to take time, but the effort is there, they are deeper, and this is definitely an improved team. I think it will take a few years for the wins to kick in, but they'll be competitive in a few seasons, and should be a better team this year.

Well every fan should be excited about the upcoming season. So I understand where you're coming from. However, we're talking about Rex Grossman here. If the Bears had a competent QB in the Super Bowl they would have beaten the Colts.

Supposedly Bailey is close to signing. He said recently he understands the situation. He needs to sign before the start of training camp or he'll have to endure a season elsewhere like Sean Bergenheim did. Every team should take the stance the Isles do on RFA's.

 

[Ho_Brah]

Lombardi update on Doughty LA Kings Insider

Lombardi indicated that he would talk to team ownership and formulate a negotiation plan for the final days before the start of camp. Lombardi said that any issues involving a no-trade clause haven’t even been discussed with Doughty’s agent. "I intend to talk to ownership today and update Tim (Leiweke)," Lombardi said. "Anything we do, I have to have their approval or have them be on board. It’s fair to say that in the next 24 hours I’ll be talking to Tim and he will be talking to Mr. Anschutz. There has to be some finality in our approach."

Lombardi is seeking (by now has already received) approval on the line in the sand he will draw with Meehan this week. Whether this is a bluff or not is up to interpretation. My feeling: it's not a bluff, thus, the need to have ownership completely on board with the strategy, including the fact that there will be no more offers after this last one.

Lombardi refers only to some finality. There's no such thing as "some finality." It's either final or it isn't.

I hope Lombardi delivers a final set of options for Doughty to choose from and then shuts down further dialogue, leaving Meehan to negotiate with himself.

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

Lombardi update on Doughty LA Kings Insider

Lombardi indicated that he would talk to team ownership and formulate a negotiation plan for the final days before the start of camp. Lombardi said that any issues involving a no-trade clause haven’t even been discussed with Doughty’s agent. "I intend to talk to ownership today and update Tim (Leiweke)," Lombardi said. "Anything we do, I have to have their approval or have them be on board. It’s fair to say that in the next 24 hours I’ll be talking to Tim and he will be talking to Mr. Anschutz. There has to be some finality in our approach."

Lombardi is seeking (by now has already received) approval on the line in the sand he will draw with Meehan this week. Whether this is a bluff or not is up to interpretation. My feeling: it's not a bluff, thus, the need to have ownership completely on board with the strategy, including the fact that there will be no more offers after this last one.

Lombardi refers only to some finality. There's no such thing as "some finality." It's either final or it isn't.

I hope Lombardi delivers a final set of options for Doughty to choose from and then shuts down further dialogue, leaving Meehan to negotiate with himself.

More teams need to take the Islanders stance. Bailey is already in L.I.. He's said that he understands the situation & the deal will get done. Meehan can whine & cry, bitch & moan all he wants. He knows as well as Bailey does that Chuck isn't playing games. Just ask Sean Bergenheim.

Hopefully the Kings make a final offer & don't cave in. However, I have a feeling Doughty will get something close to what he wants in terms of years in the deal.

 

[sherbert1421]

Sources have told TSN that Los Angeles Kings GM Dean Lombardi has made it clear to Drew Doughty's agent, Don Meehan, that the Kings have no intention of paying Doughty more than Anze Kopitar's $6.8 million annual average salary.

It's believed Doughty wants a minimum of $7 million per season, but the Kings are offering seven years at $6.8 million per, so the question is: Who's going to blink?

Dreger: Kings won't pay Doughty more than Kopitar

who's going to cave? my best bet is the kings, which is shame as doughty is not worth more than kopitar. must be rough getting low balled at 6.8 mil per year.

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

Dreger: Kings won't pay Doughty more than Kopitar

who's going to cave? my best bet is the kings, which is shame as doughty is not worth more than kopitar. must be rough getting low balled at 6.8 mil per year.

I hope the Kings stand firm on their offer. If 6.8 million isn't enough for Doughty cry me a fuckin river.

 

[awaz]

the greed is just ridiculous in this country and the sports world.. i could probably live the rest of my life (i'm 22) on 6.8 million.. and probably live it very comfortably.. what the heck do they need 6.8 million a year for 9 years for? do they wanna bathe in it?

i get that its available so they might as well go after it, but i just cant fathom spending that much money.. what do you even buy?

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

Doughty wants at least 7 million? Give me a break.

Anschutz should tell Lombardi that's the final offer. If Doughty doesn't accept it he's going to sit out the entire season & we WON'T trade him.

 

[Vadered]

the greed is just ridiculous in this country and the sports world.. i could probably live the rest of my life (i'm 22) on 6.8 million.. and probably live it very comfortably.. what the heck do they need 6.8 million a year for 9 years for? do they wanna bathe in it?

i get that its available so they might as well go after it, but i just cant fathom spending that much money.. what do you even buy?

6.8 million burgers from the value menu at your preferred fast food joint. A year.