Hjalmarsson Gets 2 Games

[DaBoltsNIsles]

You Rangers lovin PIECE OF SHIT!!

 

[The Croz Man Cometh]

For what it's worth, All three guys on Versus just said it was a dirty hit.

Not trying to keep this going but it unusual for them all to agree.

But don't we all agree that Verses doesn't know shit about hockey? Why are you trying to contradict yourself by giving evidence to the other side Boss?

I don't think it was that bad. Interference? Sure. Last year though I don't even think it would have been suspendable. But because of the Mike Richards rule (His hit was before Matt Cooke's, therefore it is his rule ) this is a suspension. I saw no hit to the head from....we will call him Bill (cause I have no idea to spell his name) the hit to the head was a result of the body contact and Pomminville being away from the boards causing him to fly into it. That was the really unfortunate part of the hit. I don't think the intent was there. But it happened as it did and he got punished for it.

 

[dash]

For what it's worth, Matthew Barnaby and Mike Johnson (hockey analysts for TSN) both thought that Super Nintendo should not have been suspended.

/tweet from Bob McKenzie

 

[dash]

I thought this guy summed things up quite well regarding the Hjarmalsson and Wiz incidents:

I’m a little late to the party on this topic, though I’ve shared a thought or two on Twitter this week, but I’d be remiss if I didn’t at least offer some extended opinion on the recent suspensions handed out to James Wisniewski of the New York Islanders and Chicago’s Niklas Hjalmarsson.

Wisniewski, of course, was banned for a pair of games for making what the NHL dubbed an “inappropriate gesture” directed toward Rangers forward Sean Avery, while Hjalmarsson got the same sentence for a dangerous, blind side hit on Buffalo’s Jason Pominville.

Pominville was concussed on the play and there is said to be no time table for his return to the Sabres lineup. Avery – go figure, be he the perpetrator or the “victim”, involved in yet another incident – suffered, perhaps, some shame and hurt feelings because of Wisniewski’s gesture. But he’s a big boy. He’s over it already, I’m sure.

Neither Hjalmarsson’s hit, nor Wisniewski’s pantomime skills are acceptable, of course, but the fact that these two incidents were met with identical supplementary discipline for the guilty parties is so ridiculously far off the mark, I’m having an awfully difficult time accepting any of it (though I should know better than to expect sensible reactions, having followed this league as long as I have). I also have an equally terrible time making sense of society’s insatiable need to parent the public, which has clearly influenced the league’s position on gesturing and the like.

Hjalmarsson could have crippled Pominville, or worse. Wisniewski reacted poorly to Sean Avery being Sean Avery, had a little fun at the Ranger pest’s expense, and deserved a stern talking to and probably a fine as well, if only because the exchange was captured on camera and has since been immortalized, thanks to YouTube, making it accessible to one and all, now and forever. There was a victim in the Hjalmarsson incident. Who was “victimized” by Wisniewski’s antics?

Oh, right, “The kids”…

The common defense from those okay with the NHL suspending Wisniewski has been something along the lines of, “Well, how do I explain that gesture to my child?” and the point, to some extent, is valid. I’m now a father of two and wouldn’t exactly be completely comfortable with having to level with my boys to the tune of, “You see, son(s), James was telling Sean that he [blanks] the [blanks] of other men and, while, if that were true, there’s nothing wrong with that, since that would be Sean’s personal choice and no one has the right to call that into question, he was probably kidding and just trying to make Sean feel bad.” (That’s about as P.C. an explanation as one can give, right?) “He was being a poor sport,” would probably work just as well. Kids are smart.

So, what is it that we’re so worried about? I surmise it’s children copying what Wisniewski did themselves at some point and, if that’s the case, my question is, why aren’t we equally as concerned about young hockey players mimicking the actions of Hjalmarsson? And which end result would be more detrimental? I’d certainly prefer having to counsel my kids through a verbal jab or some questionable sign language from a foe to nursing them back to health after a concussion – or worse.

By equating one incident to the other, the NHL has made their statement and they couldn’t have it any more wrong.

Inherently, kids are going to pick up on inappropriate behaviors. At some point, they’re going to share their middle fingers with a friend and, probably, worse. And, while that isn’t very nice, parents can certainly communicate as much. But whatever happened to “Sticks and stones…” and so on and so forth?

Oral sex gesture? Yeah, that’s not right. “Shouldn’t do that, James. Don’t do it again.” That’s a well-deserved warning. Deliberate non-compliance thereafter would undoubtedly call for suspension.

But significant injury to another on a play that was deemed illegal? Without question, Hjalmarsson/Pominville-like instances always deserve immediate, supplementary punishment. That kind of thing simply can’t happen. Examples should be set. And kids do need consistent reinforcement of as much.

How league disciplinarians cannot see that hammering a guy from behind – with an end result that could very well have been far worse – and making a childish gesture in an effort to belittle a rival are at opposite ends of the severity spectrum, is beyond me. To this sensible observer, it couldn’t be more clear.

In the end, it’s just two games for each of the offending parties and, like every other time questionable suspensions are handed out, we’ll soon get past all of this, I guess. But where are we going from here?

(And how far off is two minutes for cursing, by the way?)

With regard to supplementary discipline, the NHL would be best served to keep (make?) protecting its players a top priority and, while there’s also something to be said for defending the integrity of the league as a whole, the powers-that-be need not worry so much about protecting the viewing public (and their children) from themselves.

We’ll handle that part, thanks.

At least I will.

 

[pixburgher66]

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for those who've yet to see it. i think it was on the dirty side. elbow came up, puck wasn't there, against the boards. i think 2 fits the bill well.

 

[BOSSMANPC]

I thought this guy summed things up quite well regarding the Hjarmalsson and Wiz incidents:

I’m a little late to the party on this topic, though I’ve shared a thought or two on Twitter this week, but I’d be remiss if I didn’t at least offer some extended opinion on the recent suspensions handed out to James Wisniewski of the New York Islanders and Chicago’s Niklas Hjalmarsson.

Wisniewski, of course, was banned for a pair of games for making what the NHL dubbed an “inappropriate gesture” directed toward Rangers forward Sean Avery, while Hjalmarsson got the same sentence for a dangerous, blind side hit on Buffalo’s Jason Pominville.

Pominville was concussed on the play and there is said to be no time table for his return to the Sabres lineup. Avery – go figure, be he the perpetrator or the “victim”, involved in yet another incident – suffered, perhaps, some shame and hurt feelings because of Wisniewski’s gesture. But he’s a big boy. He’s over it already, I’m sure.

Neither Hjalmarsson’s hit, nor Wisniewski’s pantomime skills are acceptable, of course, but the fact that these two incidents were met with identical supplementary discipline for the guilty parties is so ridiculously far off the mark, I’m having an awfully difficult time accepting any of it (though I should know better than to expect sensible reactions, having followed this league as long as I have). I also have an equally terrible time making sense of society’s insatiable need to parent the public, which has clearly influenced the league’s position on gesturing and the like.

Hjalmarsson could have crippled Pominville, or worse. Wisniewski reacted poorly to Sean Avery being Sean Avery, had a little fun at the Ranger pest’s expense, and deserved a stern talking to and probably a fine as well, if only because the exchange was captured on camera and has since been immortalized, thanks to YouTube, making it accessible to one and all, now and forever. There was a victim in the Hjalmarsson incident. Who was “victimized” by Wisniewski’s antics?

Oh, right, “The kids”…

The common defense from those okay with the NHL suspending Wisniewski has been something along the lines of, “Well, how do I explain that gesture to my child?” and the point, to some extent, is valid. I’m now a father of two and wouldn’t exactly be completely comfortable with having to level with my boys to the tune of, “You see, son(s), James was telling Sean that he [blanks] the [blanks] of other men and, while, if that were true, there’s nothing wrong with that, since that would be Sean’s personal choice and no one has the right to call that into question, he was probably kidding and just trying to make Sean feel bad.” (That’s about as P.C. an explanation as one can give, right?) “He was being a poor sport,” would probably work just as well. Kids are smart.

So, what is it that we’re so worried about? I surmise it’s children copying what Wisniewski did themselves at some point and, if that’s the case, my question is, why aren’t we equally as concerned about young hockey players mimicking the actions of Hjalmarsson? And which end result would be more detrimental? I’d certainly prefer having to counsel my kids through a verbal jab or some questionable sign language from a foe to nursing them back to health after a concussion – or worse.

By equating one incident to the other, the NHL has made their statement and they couldn’t have it any more wrong.

Inherently, kids are going to pick up on inappropriate behaviors. At some point, they’re going to share their middle fingers with a friend and, probably, worse. And, while that isn’t very nice, parents can certainly communicate as much. But whatever happened to “Sticks and stones…” and so on and so forth?

Oral sex gesture? Yeah, that’s not right. “Shouldn’t do that, James. Don’t do it again.” That’s a well-deserved warning. Deliberate non-compliance thereafter would undoubtedly call for suspension.

But significant injury to another on a play that was deemed illegal? Without question, Hjalmarsson/Pominville-like instances always deserve immediate, supplementary punishment. That kind of thing simply can’t happen. Examples should be set. And kids do need consistent reinforcement of as much.

How league disciplinarians cannot see that hammering a guy from behind – with an end result that could very well have been far worse – and making a childish gesture in an effort to belittle a rival are at opposite ends of the severity spectrum, is beyond me. To this sensible observer, it couldn’t be more clear.

In the end, it’s just two games for each of the offending parties and, like every other time questionable suspensions are handed out, we’ll soon get past all of this, I guess. But where are we going from here?

(And how far off is two minutes for cursing, by the way?)

With regard to supplementary discipline, the NHL would be best served to keep (make?) protecting its players a top priority and, while there’s also something to be said for defending the integrity of the league as a whole, the powers-that-be need not worry so much about protecting the viewing public (and their children) from themselves.

We’ll handle that part, thanks.

At least I will.

Great post dash ! Very logical, Like most of us have said you never know what the penalty wheel will bring.

Rep that one bro +1 Edit: I will rep it when I can it say's i muct spread them out so apparently I repped you recently. Maybe I will rep myself a few time s then do it.

 

[BOSSMANPC]

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for those who've yet to see it. i think it was on the dirty side. elbow came up, puck wasn't there, against the boards. i think 2 fits the bill well.

I agree, Two is fine I just hope Pommers is fine too.

 

[BOSSMANPC]

But don't we all agree that Verses doesn't know shit about hockey? Why are you trying to contradict yourself by giving evidence to the other side Boss?

I don't think it was that bad. Interference? Sure. Last year though I don't even think it would have been suspendable. But because of the Mike Richards rule (His hit was before Matt Cooke's, therefore it is his rule ) this is a suspension. I saw no hit to the head from....we will call him Bill (cause I have no idea to spell his name) the hit to the head was a result of the body contact and Pomminville being away from the boards causing him to fly into it. That was the really unfortunate part of the hit. I don't think the intent was there. But it happened as it did and he got punished for it.

I don't think the major discontent with VS is their knowledge of the game I think it's the availability because a lot of companies don't carry it.

I could be wrong there but I don't think so.

IMO it was a bad hit, He didn't even have the puck...That's one violation, He had his back to the checker while being checked...That's two violations and he was checked into the boards defenseless...That's three violations.

As I said I love good fast hard hitting hockey like most fans do but I don't like seeing a player get injured because of a brain fart by another player.

I think most of the people on this board would say I am pretty objective and tell it like it is. I would have said the same thing if the players were reversed.

I don't want to beat this to death but IMO that was avoidable.

 

[Mintyp69]

He should have just made a sexual gesture @ Pominville. Would have caused a lot less drama and he would get to rest the same amount games.

that hasn;t been noted much, but even ed kilgore on our local news said I guess becasue pommer is still able to breathe he got 2 games...This is what I don;t understand..A gesture, albeit a rude one gets 2 games. I mean i'm not an isles fan by any means, but seriously..2 games?!!? A fine and call it a day, that's what's so hard to stomach about pommers hit. If the gesture had gotten a fine and the hit 2 games, people would feel vindicated, instead it sets a bad mood.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

that hasn;t been noted much, but even ed kilgore on our local news said I guess becasue pommer is still able to breathe he got 2 games...This is what I don;t understand..A gesture, albeit a rude one gets 2 games. I mean i'm not an isles fan by any means, but seriously..2 games?!!? A fine and call it a day, that's what's so hard to stomach about pommers hit. If the gesture had gotten a fine and the hit 2 games, people would feel vindicated, instead it sets a bad mood.

That's the problem I see here too.

Thinking only about the hit, in my mind, two games is pretty fair. I even would have been OK with one game.

But then when you put it relative to Wiz on the same day getting the same thing, it's a very mixed message.

 

[puckhead]

That's the problem I see here too.

Thinking only about the hit, in my mind, two games is pretty fair. I even would have been OK with one game.

But then when you put it relative to Wiz on the same day getting the same thing, it's a very mixed message.

I agree with that, too.
that largely why I was surprised that the gesture wasn't a fine.

also, the gesture deserved less because avery was the 'victim'. Rest of the league should really get a free pass at him.
and the hit deserved more because it was the first of that kind of the season. (opportunity to set precedent on the exact hit that had been talked about all summer)

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

double post.

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

When you put a former Rangers employee in charge of disciplinary actions the Islanders will always get the SHAFT!!