Hendrickson, Higgins, and Chase

[CrashDavisSports]

The early round consensus is saying it's likely a 2nd for Trey and maybe a future pick...we'll see. No guarantee the Bengals actually trade him - he is under contract.

It doesn't really behoove him to sit out at 30, and enter at 31 with a year off...at a position in which you have to honestly ask yourself - is he going to be worth that money to get 17 sacks a year? Is that something you can bank on at 31 and coming off a year off?

To take a more pragmatic approach to all of this...Trey hasn't been the best guy in this. He got extended, and then bitched last year with 2 years left against NFL rules of some kind (think I read this somewhere) in terms of getting extended a 2nd year in a row...but regardless...he just signed a deal. He is going to be 30, and unless you think he can be the exception, not the rule, how much DO you pay for a 31+ year old DE at a position in which...usually...doesn't age great....how much cap do you want to tie up?

I think the Bengals are willing to pay him, but I don't think they are willing to pay him Max Crosby money, who happens to be 27...big difference in the sports world between 27 and 30.

Browns are expecting 2 1st round picks for Garrett who is close to the same age. Now granted, Garrett has two years left on his contract and he will have considerably more sacks at the end of his career than Hendrickson...but if Garrett is worth 2 1sts, Hendrickson is worth at least a lower 1st.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Browns are expecting 2 1st round picks for Garrett who is close to the same age. Now granted, Garrett has two years left on his contract and he will have considerably more sacks at the end of his career than Hendrickson...but if Garrett is worth 2 1sts, Hendrickson is worth at least a lower 1st.

Browns are likely asking for way too much because they can - they've already told Garrett he's not getting traded...so, it's a non-starter BUT if someone wanted to wildly overpay with 2 1st...then...maybe that does start the conversation...
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Most of the scribes I've seen are saying 2nd round and a 3rd/4th, which may, or may not, be part of a future's pick.

But again - someone has to be willing to give up the picks AND pay for him...and while it only takes one, with Crosby's new deal - the market may have increased to the point where - what does a 30/31 year old DE cost on the open market? I guess we're going to find out.

 

[DanBengalfan]

when you find a player who is successful in the NFL, you keep him. college success does not always translate to NFL. draft picks are like lottery tickets, they aren't like stock picks.

 

[DanBengalfan]

yea... we shouldn't be trading anyone unless they are unhappy with the situation here.

they must have really low balled Trey in such a way that he realized he could pull an andrew whitworth.

 

[BKBroiler9000]

I do think they care - but I think, much like my argument about the 90's, they want to do it THEIR way...hell or high water...the NFL is ever changing. Either you adapt, or you die. In the 90's, the big change was F/A coming into play. Brown died. The Bengals were pitiful.

Things were better under Marvin as he was finally able to drag Brown into the 21st century - but too often Brown (and now it appears Katie) rely on lightening in a bottle from the draft to sustain their organization while not spending on players who have earned the right to big(ger) contracts.

This shouldn't be an issue, because Higgins should have been completed before last year. Hendrickson could have been extended easily last year adding at least 1 more year to the deal (and why not, he was coming off a 17.5 sack season). Adding 1 year wouldn't have broken anything, and likely kept him happy. Chase gets done this year.

Instead - the Bengals drag their feet letting things play out, and here we are. 3 really good players, 2 of them ELITE, and the Bengals want to continue to nickle and dime them.

I think you hit the nail on the head. But if they truly cared they would recognize their changing reality and adapt, even slightly, to keep up with competitors.

Mike eventually recognized this with Marvin’s influence. But Mike, while a cheap asshole, was a football guy. I don’t think Katie/Troy are remotely invested like that. I don’t think they’ll ever change because of their ego. Their “business” is contracts. And winning the deal is more important than building the football operation.

The reality is winning “our way” and “we’ve always done it this way” is a complete load of crap complacent loser mentality.

The Browns/Blackburns are literally the Jones family in Dallas. Minus the 90’s success. More preoccupied with franchise net worth and marketing than actual on field product.

The ugly truth is the Bengals are not generationally engrained into the pop cultural fabric of America like the Cowboys. Their “worth” pretty much starts and ends with Joe Burrow. And they are damn close to fracturing that relationship.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

yea... we shouldn't be trading anyone unless they are unhappy with the situation here.

they must have really low balled Trey in such a way that he realized he could pull an andrew whitworth.

My guess is, the Bengals are not going to have the highest paid QB. Highest paid WR and non-QB in the NFL, the highest paid DE in football, and a top 10 paid #2 WR.

55+40+36+28 = Too fucking much money regardless of what we have available. Trey was basically asking for a trade last year. He said he wants to help this team even if it means allowing them to collect draft picks for him to help them build, but he wasn't going without his money. That is fine, I don't hold that against Trey. He is by far and away the best player on our defense and the defense sucks. So what good is having a $36 million dollar DE if the rest of t he defense stinks? Time to basically wash that side of the ball, let Golden do his thing, stock pile picks that Golden thinks fits in his scheme and try to rebuild it.

Personally, I am doing the same damn thing with Tee. Trade him and get value, save the money and make sure Burrow has his number 1 target for years to come and build that thing up. I like Josh Palmer of the Chargers, still young, good, decent starting experience, has done well, and has a similar build as Chase.

I also like Malcolm Koonce even though he was hurt last year, he seemed like a guy that was about to bust out. I also wouldn't mind seeing Azeez Ojulari in a rotation. Both guys would be affordable and on their second contracts, both of which I think have a chance at breaking out, not unlike Hendrickson. I doubt they have that kind of success, but if they could put in 7-8 sacks and solid tackling on the outside, it would something to start with while we stock pile high defensive draft picks.

Bring Gesicki back. Put up the interior of that offensive line and see what we can do. Young, speedy defense that is filled with high picks for Golden to groom, and a veteran offense that is stout at protection for Burrow.

 

[DanBengalfan]

My guess is, the Bengals are not going to have the highest paid QB. Highest paid WR and non-QB in the NFL, the highest paid DE in football, and a top 10 paid #2 WR.

55+40+36+28 = Too fucking much money regardless of what we have available. Trey was basically asking for a trade last year. He said he wants to help this team even if it means allowing them to collect draft picks for him to help them build, but he wasn't going without his money. That is fine, I don't hold that against Trey. He is by far and away the best player on our defense and the defense sucks. So what good is having a $36 million dollar DE if the rest of t he defense stinks? Time to basically wash that side of the ball, let Golden do his thing, stock pile picks that Golden thinks fits in his scheme and try to rebuild it.

Personally, I am doing the same damn thing with Tee. Trade him and get value, save the money and make sure Burrow has his number 1 target for years to come and build that thing up. I like Josh Palmer of the Chargers, still young, good, decent starting experience, has done well, and has a similar build as Chase.

I also like Malcolm Koonce even though he was hurt last year, he seemed like a guy that was about to bust out. I also wouldn't mind seeing Azeez Ojulari in a rotation. Both guys would be affordable and on their second contracts, both of which I think have a chance at breaking out, not unlike Hendrickson. I doubt they have that kind of success, but if they could put in 7-8 sacks and solid tackling on the outside, it would something to start with while we stock pile high defensive draft picks.

Bring Gesicki back. Put up the interior of that offensive line and see what we can do. Young, speedy defense that is filled with high picks for Golden to groom, and a veteran offense that is stout at protection for Burrow.

it would be temporary imo. some qb will eventually get paid more, some wr will eventually get a bigger contract, some de will eventually get a bigger contract. the bengals did that to themselves in the meantime.

 

[DanBengalfan]

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[cincygrad]

The only explanation I can come up with is that they simply don’t care. Don’t care if this team ever makes it back to the Super Bowl. Don’t care if they make the playoffs.

The one thing Blackburns do care about is “winning” contract negotiations. It’s about interjecting their power over the players and the organization. It’s truly sad to watch. Mike Brown for all his faults I believe actually cared about football. These idiot kids are proving to be even worse.

This is also a good reason why ownership groups should ultimately distance themselves from football operations. If you aren't willing to fire yourself because of your failed policies and you won't change your philosophy, you end up making the same mistakes repeatedly.

 

[DanBengalfan]

Bengals have reportedly offered Trey Hendrickson $30-32 million annually; ‘There’s nowhere I’d rather be’

A very interesting update...

www.cincyjungle.com

if this is true, this is good news. step 1 of 3 offseason moves.

 

[cincygrad]

Bengals have reportedly offered Trey Hendrickson $30-32 million annually; ‘There’s nowhere I’d rather be’

A very interesting update...

www.cincyjungle.com

if this is true, this is good news. step 1 of 3 offseason moves.

This seems like bullshit to me. This dude from WLWT has an exclusive scoop that nobody else has reported? To be honest, I think if Trey were offered north of 30, he would have already signed.

 

[Cincyfan78]

This seems like bullshit to me. This dude from WLWT has an exclusive scoop that nobody else has reported? To be honest, I think if Trey were offered north of 30, he would have already signed.

If he was offered $30 and balked - then God bless him and he'll be on his way. That would have been a more than fair offer.

 

[DanBengalfan]

This seems like bullshit to me. This dude from WLWT has an exclusive scoop that nobody else has reported? To be honest, I think if Trey were offered north of 30, he would have already signed.

I read another article that called it a rumor and it seems most agree that he would have signed 31-ish million by now.

 

[BKBroiler9000]

This seems like bullshit to me. This dude from WLWT has an exclusive scoop that nobody else has reported? To be honest, I think if Trey were offered north of 30, he would have already signed.

Exactly. A couple of “sources” like James Rapien have already debunked this. If the Bengals offered Trey 30-32 he’d have signed already. No trade request.

The rumor I saw was the Bengals offered 23 a year. Which is honestly insulting if true.