Gruden has won 5 games

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

thats one more then last year we are'getting better

 

[deanpet21]

My 9-7 prediction is going to hold. Hopefullyy we win out and become 10-6.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I never saw 9-7 but I knew damned well the predictions that we were the worst team in the league, and that was the popular opinion before the opener, was crazy talk. I had 6-10 and would be happy to be wrong.

 

[j_y19]

Unless they just completely implode (which is always a possibility) 8-8 is achievable. I'm not so sure about 9-7, but given we still have 3 NFCE games left, anything is possible. It's amazing how far this division has fallen.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

If we didn't have to play any road games I'd like our chances a lot better.

 

[Sharkinva]

Unless they just completely implode (which is always a possibility) 8-8 is achievable. I'm not so sure about 9-7, but given we still have 3 NFCE games left, anything is possible. It's amazing how far this division has fallen.

IM not so sure its that the division has fallen. IM more inclined to think that this is what the league has been striving for. Parity. Aside from maybe 6 teams, no one is really dominating the rest of the league. Consider that you can count six teams that are basically playoffs locks at this point, and six that are all but out of it.

Thats 12 out of 32 teams. The idea that 2/3 of the league can still claim they have a shot at making the playoffs, and you still have half of those teams thinking we can not only get a wild card, but have a slim chance of winning our division..... this is what the NFL has wanted for a very long time. Its the natural progression of parity in the league.

SO I agree the Division has NOT been any where near dominant. But I think that is what the powers that be have been striving for.

 

[ehb5]

IM not so sure its that the division has fallen. IM more inclined to think that this is what the league has been striving for. Parity. Aside from maybe 6 teams, no one is really dominating the rest of the league. Consider that you can count six teams that are basically playoffs locks at this point, and six that are all but out of it.

Thats 12 out of 32 teams. The idea that 2/3 of the league can still claim they have a shot at making the playoffs, and you still have half of those teams thinking we can not only get a wild card, but have a slim chance of winning our division..... this is what the NFL has wanted for a very long time. Its the natural progression of parity in the league.

SO I agree the Division has NOT been any where near dominant. But I think that is what the powers that be have been striving for.

I think its parity. But the parity is in everyone sucking.

 

[j_y19]

I think its parity. But the parity is in everyone sucking.

There may be parity within our division, but our division is not on par with the rest of the league.

 

[BeaReylo]

I love it! Its a sign Gruden is coaching the team in the right direction and Mcloughan is picking the right players.

Guarantee you if not this year, then next Washington, will be in the playoffs or playoff hunt late into the season.

 

[skinsdad62]

I love it! Its a sign Gruden is coaching the team in the right direction and Mcloughan is picking the right players.

Guarantee you if not this year, then next Washington, will be in the playoffs or playoff hunt late into the season.

well we are in the hunt late so half of your prediction is true

 

[Sportster 72]

It is good to be playing a meaningful game in December. Lots of work still to do but it sure is nice.

 

[j_y19]

Folks need to be careful and not get carried away with our situation. It's great that we are still in the hunt in December, but we need to be mindful that we are still a losing team. Under Gruden, we have never won 2 games in a row. We have yet to win on the road this year. So this predictions of 9-7 are optimistic at best. In our favor is our schedule. It's not too bad, but we have a history of playing to our level of competition as well as laying eggs in prime time. Should we beat Dallas at home Monday night? Yes. Am I comfortable we will? Nope.

 

[skinsdad62]

we as fans need to understand what JY is saying , fools gold people , fools gold

 

[SoCalWizFan]

There may be parity within our division, but our division is not on par with the rest of the league.

Absolutely! Consider the fact that the division leaders have losing records and that there is a good chance that the eventual division leader will be .500 or worse. Both the NFC-E & AFC-S are light years behind the rest of the NFL & even the AFC-S boasts teams that are better than the NFC-E.

Contrast this to the other 6 divisions. The leader in each of those other divisions is at least 8-3 and for all but one at least 9-2. All divisions except the NFC-E also include at least two teams above .500. The NFC-E doesn't even have one team at .500. Pretty bad.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Folks need to be careful and not get carried away with our situation. It's great that we are still in the hunt in December, but we need to be mindful that we are still a losing team. Under Gruden, we have never won 2 games in a row. We have yet to win on the road this year. So this predictions of 9-7 are optimistic at best. In our favor is our schedule. It's not too bad, but we have a history of playing to our level of competition as well as laying eggs in prime time. Should we beat Dallas at home Monday night? Yes. Am I comfortable we will? Nope.

Good pt. Folks also need to remember the overall goal if say this team does fall short. It is not all about this season & very likely even if the Skins make the playoffs they will bounced out in short order. The real goal for this season is changing the culture, starting to get rid of dead weight and starting the rebuilding process by acquiring and developing young talent. Hopefully - this is the start of a long term process that eventually turns this team into a true power.

 

[Breed]

Folks need to be careful and not get carried away with our situation. It's great that we are still in the hunt in December, but we need to be mindful that we are still a losing team. Under Gruden, we have never won 2 games in a row. We have yet to win on the road this year. So this predictions of 9-7 are optimistic at best. In our favor is our schedule. It's not too bad, but we have a history of playing to our level of competition as well as laying eggs in prime time. Should we beat Dallas at home Monday night? Yes. Am I comfortable we will? Nope.

Folks have plenty of practice or should have in the form of 2012/2013, 2007/2008, 2005/2006 1999/2000. If any Skins fan lets winning a very weak 2015 NFC East, possibly with a .500 record or worse, go to their heads. They are nincompoops, poopbutts, and rudipoots. Whom we should cull from the rest of the fan-base for way over-the-top homerism and general dumbassery of an unacceptable level.

The Skins have finished no better than 8-8, done it twice, or better than 3rd place in the east, did it once, following a season in which they went to the playoffs.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Folks have plenty of practice or should have in the form of 2012/2013, 2007/2008, 2005/2006 1999/2000. If any Skins fan lets winning a very weak 2015 NFC East, possibly with a .500 record or worse, go to their heads. They are nincompoops, poopbutts, and rudipoots. Whom we should cull from the rest of the fan-base for way over-the-top homerism and general dumbassery of an unacceptable level.

The Skins have finished no better than 8-8, done it twice, or better than 3rd place in the east, did it once, following a season in which they went to the playoffs.

Washington Redskins All-Time Draft History | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Ah yes - a good history lesson. Let's dig a little deeper. Check the attached link for the overall Redskins draft history. Consider the years following the years that you mention above. In all but one case they were pretty much disasters. 2013 resulted in Reed and Chris Thompson & not much else - not good. 2008 was a major disaster that produced some of the biggest offensive busts in Redskins history.

2006 produced just about nobody save for some decent efforts over the years by Doughty - horrible. 2000 did produce two of the better Skins players in Samuels and Arrington. However - the draft yielded little else & that offseason also produced one of the Redskins bigger jokes in free agency with the big name signings of guys like Deion, B. Smith & Jeff George.

A lot of these teams included aging players who were on the downside of their careers. In the 2013 case it included an injured QB, a suspect defense, questions about a gimmick offense and tons of question marks.

Contrast this to the present time. Unlike all of those other years that were cited the current team is run by a proven personnel guy who should be able to acquire a significant amt of young, hungry players and will steer clear of the aging, big name players for the most part. The core of this team also predominately consists of younger players unlike those other teams. QB is still somewhat of a question mark but shows promise and there should be options even if Cousins does not work out over time (you could pretty much not say that for those other teams - even with RG3 since Cousins was more of an unknown at the time).

Having said all this I feel we should feel much more confident about this team compared to those previous teams. Is this a guarantee that the team will do well in the next 2-3 years? Absolutely not, but there certainly is a fair amt of promise & it starts from the top.

 

[skinsdad62]

Washington Redskins All-Time Draft History | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Ah yes - a good history lesson. Let's dig a little deeper. Check the attached link for the overall Redskins draft history. Consider the years following the years that you mention above. In all but one case they were pretty much disasters. 2013 resulted in Reed and Chris Thompson & not much else - not good. 2008 was a major disaster that produced some of the biggest offensive busts in Redskins history.

2006 produced just about nobody save for some decent efforts over the years by Doughty - horrible. 2000 did produce two of the better Skins players in Samuels and Arrington. However - the draft yielded little else & that offseason also produced one of the Redskins bigger jokes in free agency with the big name signings of guys like Deion, B. Smith & Jeff George.

A lot of these teams included aging players who were on the downside of their careers. In the 2013 case it included an injured QB, a suspect defense, questions about a gimmick offense and tons of question marks.

Contrast this to the present time. Unlike all of those other years that were cited the current team is run by a proven personnel guy who should be able to acquire a significant amt of young, hungry players and will steer clear of the aging, big name players for the most part. The core of this team also predominately consists of younger players unlike those other teams. QB is still somewhat of a question mark but shows promise and there should be options even if Cousins does not work out over time (you could pretty much not say that for those other teams - even with RG3 since Cousins was more of an unknown at the time).

Having said all this I feel we should feel much more confident about this team compared to those previous teams. Is this a guarantee that the team will do well in the next 2-3 years? Absolutely not, but there certainly is a fair amt of promise & it starts from the top.

this is some good info socal but let me add a positive "spin " if you will that could help us guard against the repeating of history

one thing is this team is younger then the previous versions mentioned above so that is a plus . also we do have a respected GM which we didnt have before

now my above points do not mean we need to guard against the "fools gold " in the teams thinking . we still have to draft well and be frugal in free agency or else all the good will earned will be flushed