Gronk To The Bucs For a 4th Rounder

[countryroads316]

If the Patriots got that then the Redskins will get a better pick then that for TW

 

[deanpet21]

I just saw it on rotoworld. wow

 

[deanpet21]

Browns have 2 third round picks. If they trade down they will get more. You have to think we are dealing with the Browns.

 

[skinsdad62]

wow

 

[Stymietee]

This means Tampa is moving O.J. Howard. If the price for Gronk was a 4th round pick, perhaps Washington can get him for a similar price, or less. (I already know that they are going to ask for much more)

 

[Breed]

If the Patriots got that then the Redskins will get a better pick then that for TW

Your rational is irrational to me. Gronk with the year off is probably the healthiest he's been in years. A healthy Gronk is the best TE in football (now and of all time imo) How does that equate exactly to the Skins getting a better pick for TW in a trade?

 

[Breed]

This means Tampa is moving O.J. Howard. If the price for Gronk was a 4th round pick, perhaps Washington can get him for a similar price, or less. (I already know that they are going to ask for much more)

Or less sounds about right. If they ask for more the Skins should tell the Bucs to kick rocks.

 

[Ruzious]

Remember Gronk prably wouldn't have come out of retirement unless he was traded to TB. That meant there was no competition for him in trade, and that probably lowered what NE could get in trade for him. And he could very well retire again after this season. So... I wouldn't make any assumptions about how this trade tells you what Howard is worth in trade. For all we know, Howard's going to be a perennial Pro Bowler long after Gronk retires.

 

[gkekoa]

Your rational is irrational to me. Gronk with the year off is probably the healthiest he's been in years. A healthy Gronk is the best TE in football (now and of all time imo) How does that equate exactly to the Skins getting a better pick for TW in a trade?

The position is likely what he is referring to.

 

[Breed]

For all we know, Howard's going to be a perennial Pro Bowler long after Gronk retires.

Perhaps, he certainly passes the eye test in that regard, and if the Skins do decide to trade for him. Lets hope they base his value on what he's actually in the NFL. As opposed to what we hope he does if the Skins do indeed trade for him.

The position is likely what he is referring to.

If so that would make the rational more rational.

 

[gkekoa]

Perhaps, he certainly passes the eye test in that regard, and if the Skins do decide to trade for him. Lets hope they base his value on what he's actually in the NFL. As opposed to what we hope he does if the Skins do indeed trade for him.



If so that would make the rational more rational.

OT is a far more valuable position than TE; therefore, the compensation for a great player with a one year hiatus from the game would dictate the OT yield a higher pick than the TE.

 

[Breed]

OT is a far more valuable position than TE; therefore, the compensation for a great player with a one year hiatus from the game would dictate the OT yield a higher pick than the TE.

True, but to every rule there's an exception. So whileTW's position is valued more than Gronk's position and he's likely still a good, maybe even great at times OT. I don't see him ever being compared to the greatest OTs to play the game. With Gronk it isn't whether he compares to the greatest TEs to play the game. It's just a matter of where do you rank him among the greatest to play the game.

 

[skinz2winz]

True, but to every rule there's an exception. So whileTW's position is valued more than Gronk's position and he's likely still a good, maybe even great at times OT. I don't see him ever being compared to the greatest OTs to play the game. With Gronk it isn't whether he compares to the greatest TEs to play the game. It's just a matter of where do you rank him among the greatest to play the game.

Wait a minute...TW's has been to 7 Pro Bowls and likely has a few more left in him. Just because Gronk was in on a magnitude of SB's with Brady, doesn't make him anymore "one of the greatest" as it does Trent. Right now TW's is likely a top 3 OT in this league without having played a year. Likely one of the best if not the best OT the past 5 years he played in WASH. I get that he is 31 yrs old now but we all know Trent is one of the great ones.

Of course we value him more than others, we have seen him up close and personal to actually know he should command a 2nd but won't. Multiple picks starting with a 3rd rounder would be the very least offer I listen too or, a 3rd and a player.

 

[countryroads316]

True, but to every rule there's an exception. So whileTW's position is valued more than Gronk's position and he's likely still a good, maybe even great at times OT. I don't see him ever being compared to the greatest OTs to play the game. With Gronk it isn't whether he compares to the greatest TEs to play the game. It's just a matter of where do you rank him among the greatest to play the game.

On top of that there was no competition for Gronk it was either the Bucs or nothing

 

[gkekoa]

True, but to every rule there's an exception. So whileTW's position is valued more than Gronk's position and he's likely still a good, maybe even great at times OT. I don't see him ever being compared to the greatest OTs to play the game. With Gronk it isn't whether he compares to the greatest TEs to play the game. It's just a matter of where do you rank him among the greatest to play the game.

I love Gronk, and personally, I believe he is he best TE of all time; however, I would have to put Tony, and perhaps Witten, above him in an official ranking.

I understand what you are saying, but 2017 was the last good season for Gronk. He also plays a position that relies on speed to some extent...has he lost any?

 

[Sportster 72]

Don't know how many of you saw John Mackey play but he would have to be in any TE list too.

 

[skinz2winz]

Don't know how many of you saw John Mackey play but he would have to be in any TE list too.

And Casper, Christenson, Winslow, Ditka, Newsome, Mackey & Shannon Sharpe.

 

[skinz2winz]

Give me one of these TE's with a pick plus Howard in a trade and call it good.

NFL Draft 2020 tight end rankings
1. Cole Kmet, Notre Dame

Kmet has the size (6-5, 250 pounds) and speed (4.70 40-yard-dash time at the Combine) to be a field-stretching slot TE for whoever drafts him. He didn't do much his first two seasons at Notre Dame, but he caught 43 passes for 515 yards and six TDs as a junior. Blocking is still a bit of a question mark, as it is for most rookie tight ends, but Kmet can make an immediate impact as a receiver.

2. Hunter Bryant, Washington

Bryant is a bit of a tweener; he's just 6-2, but at 239 pounds and with a 4.74 40 time, he can't really play wide receiver. What he lacks in height, he makes up for in toughness and big-play ability. He averaged an eye-popping 16.4 yards per catch during his career at Washington, and his junior season yielded 52 catches and 825 yards. He was never much of a touchdown producer in college, catching just five during his career, but that could change in the NFL, where he'll continue to present mismatches for linebackers and safeties.

3. Brycen Hopkins, Purdue

Hopkins gradually improved over his four seasons at Purdue, finishing with 61 catches, 830 yards, and seven TDs last year. He has great size (6-5, 245 pounds) and speed (4.66 40-yard-dash time), so if he can prove to be a capable enough blocker, he'll stay on the field and will have a chance to put up big stats in the right offense.

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4. Adam Trautman, Dayton

Trautman dominated at FCS Dayton, catching 70 passes for 916 yards and 14 TDs during his final season. There are plenty of question marks given the lower level of competition, but Trautman's size is legit (6-6, 253 pounds) and his 40-yard-dash time is good enough (4.80) if he's used the right way.

5. Albert Okwuegbunam, Missouri

When it comes to pure playmaking ability, Albert O might be the best TE in the draft. The 6-5, 255-pound pass-catcher ran a blazing 4.49 40-yard dash at the Combine, All those tools didn't result in a ton of receiving production (average of 32.7 receptions and 395.7 yards over his three seasons), but Okwuegbunam was a touchdown machine, catching 23 scores in 27 games. Nagging injuries are a concern — though not as much as his nonexistent blocking resume — but Albert O is a matchup nightmare as a glorified slot receiver, field-stretcher and red-zone threat.

6. Harrison Bryant, FAU

Bryant didn't play at a Power 5 school, but his steady improvement and senior season are impossible to ignore. He caught 65 passes for 1,004 yards and seven TDs during his final year at FAU, and he impressed with a 4.73 40 time at the Combine. With his size (6-5, 240 pounds), Bryant could be at least a red-zone threat wherever he winds up, but he'll have to prove he can stay on the field with his blocking.

7. Thaddeus Moss, LSU

Moss doesn't have much tape because he missed both 2017 and 2018 after transferring from N.C. State and then suffering a foot injury, but he excelled during his lone season at LSU, catching 47 passes for 570 yards and four touchdowns. Moss has good size (6-3, 249 pounds), and even though he didn't run a 40 at the Combine, he also has good speed. The family lineage is strong, too: Moss is the son of Randy Moss. Teams will have to take a bit of a leap of faith if they select him, but Moss is an intriguing prospect who could develop into something special.

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8. Colby Parkinson, Stanford

Stanford regularly features tight ends in its offense, so it's no surprise an athletic 6-7, 251-pound field-stretcher like Parkinson is on the NFL radar. He caught 48 passes for 589 yards his junior year, and while that resulted in only one touchdown, we know he can wreak havoc around the goal line based on his seven TDs as a sophomore. Parkinson's size could make him a red-zone threat right away.

9. Jared Pinkney, Vanderbilt

Pinkney has dealt with injuries and inconsistent QB play throughout his career at Vanderbilt, but his outstanding junior season (50-774-7) shows what he's capable of when he puts it all together. His lack of speed (4.96 in the 40) will hurt him, but he has good size (6-4, 260 pounds) and is a solid blocker. If he can continue to work on his blocking, then he'll have a chance to stay on the field and provide decent production as a receiver.

10. Devin Asiasi, UCLA

A breakout junior season (44 catches for 641 yards and four TDs) put Asiasi on the draft radar. His 4.73 40 time is impressive given his size (6-3, 279 pounds), and he's tough to bring down in the open field. He's another interesting project who could develop into a solid starter in a few seasons.

 

[skinz2winz]

I thought I read somewhere that Hopkins did not drop a ball last year.

 

[skinsdad62]

I thought I read somewhere that Hopkins did not drop a ball last year.

it was parkinson