Gotta love ESPN Power Rankings

[HaroldSeattle]

No that was a question.... I guess I did forget the symbol...Im saying it might be nice to check out a game or two.

I put in a extra long shift today, so my brain is a bit sluggish. I've got no idea what your talking about.

 

[David_son]

I put in a extra long shift today, so my brain is a bit sluggish. I've got no idea what your talking about.

Sports SportsHoopla has a minor leagues?<---- Thats a question.........



Its always nice to check out a game or two.<------- Suppose to be humorous statement cause most people like checking out some minor league baseball.... Apparently not so humorous because I am explaining it...I guess that is a fail on my part.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Sports SportsHoopla has a minor leagues?<---- Thats a question.........



Its always nice to check out a game or two.<------- Suppose to be humorous statement cause most people like checking out some minor league baseball.... Apparently not so humorous because I am explaining it...I guess that is a fail on my part.

Like I said it's been a long day for me already, so I'm a bit on the slow side.

 

[JDM]

Ha ha, not his best post for sure, but he can be a funny guy. For what ever reason he doesn't seem to fond of us, but that's Ok. we'll slap him around if he gets to mouthy.

He does more shitty attempts at trolling than intelligent posts.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

He does more shitty attempts at trolling than intelligent posts.

Perhaps your right, not sure. I've seen him post some humorous posts. If he's looking to troll, he has really picked the wrong board. We have some really good troll hammers on this board. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now.

 

[Jikkle]

Well to get back on topic it boils down SF more of a quality win than Seattle did which is why SF was able to leapfrog Seattle in their rankings.

But as other have noted Power Rankings are all but meaningless anyways since it's a more what have you done for me lately rating than an actual reflection how strong a team is.

The Sunday night game is a prime example because whoever loses will likely drop a couple spots in the rankings even though the loser would arguably still be a top 3 team.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Well to get back on topic it boils down SF more of a quality win than Seattle did which is why SF was able to leapfrog Seattle in their rankings.

But as other have noted Power Rankings are all but meaningless anyways since it's a more what have you done for me lately rating than an actual reflection how strong a team is.

The Sunday night game is a prime example because whoever loses will likely drop a couple spots in the rankings even though the loser would arguably still be a top 3 team.

Exactly Jikkle. It's just something to throw around for fun, hardly anyone takes them seriously.

 

[dude82]

Well to get back on topic it boils down SF more of a quality win than Seattle did which is why SF was able to leapfrog Seattle in their rankings.

But as other have noted Power Rankings are all but meaningless anyways since it's a more what have you done for me lately rating than an actual reflection how strong a team is.

The Sunday night game is a prime example because whoever loses will likely drop a couple spots in the rankings even though the loser would arguably still be a top 3 team.

Especially if it's a close game. If one team blows out the other, it's an easier case to make that maybe the losing team isn't as good as everyone thought. If it's close, then it was just a match-up of two great teams that somebody had to win.

 

[Yu Lee - A Nova Lover]

"Did a shaky showing drop Seattle from #1?"

So let me get this right... Seattle goes on the road for the opener, with significant injuries on the defense, a 10AM start, across the country, it humid/hot weather they are not used to, win by 5 points... but it's shaky.

Just so you know for future threads/posts: competitors who travel west

are more effected by the time change than competitors who travel east.


http://people.whitman.edu/~herbrawt/sleep.pdf


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[octagondd]

Just so you know for future threads/posts: competitors who travel west

are more effected by the time change than competitors who travel east.


http://people.whitman.edu/~herbrawt/sleep.pdf


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Yah so they use the 25 years where the Raiders and Niners dominated the league and the majority of their away games are on the East coast. They also used MNF even though that would put east coast player's internal clock at 9:30 pm when their body would be wanting to shut down. They did not study 10am and 1pm PST time games for West coast teams traveling to the East coast.

Next?

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Yah so they use the 25 years where the Raiders and Niners dominated the league and the majority of their away games are on the East coast. They also used MNF even though that would put east coast player's internal clock at 9:30 pm when their body would be wanting to shut down. They did not study 10am and 1pm PST time games for West coast teams traveling to the East coast.

Next?

octagondd your on a roll.

 

[dude82]

Just so you know for future threads/posts: competitors who travel west

are more effected by the time change than competitors who travel east.


http://people.whitman.edu/~herbrawt/sleep.pdf


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Jet lag is worse going west-to-east than it is going east-to-west.

Jet lag disorder: Symptoms - MayoClinic.com

 

[octagondd]

octagondd your on a roll.

I should have been a data analyst for the NSA.

 

[NinerSickness]

Does anyone really give a crap about BSPN power rankings? I'm befuddled that there's even a thread about it.

 

[Yu Lee - A Nova Lover]

Yah so they use the 25 years where the Raiders and Niners dominated the league and the majority of their away games are on the East coast. They also used MNF even though that would put east coast player's internal clock at 9:30 pm when their body would be wanting to shut down. They did not study 10am and 1pm PST time games for West coast teams traveling to the East coast.

Next?

FIRST THINGS FIRST.... Raiders/Niners argument:

Other possible explanations for these results are unlikely (Table 1). The WC teams may simply be better
than the EC teams. However, although the overall WC team records are slightly better than EC team records since 1970 (0.542 vs. 0.498, respectively), this is nowhere near the 27 percentage point advantage demonstrated by WC teams on MNF.


SECOND.... EARLY START TIME Argument:

The results in this study were not secondary to the EC teams simply playing poorly on MNF as they experienced a home winning percentage of 65.2% when their MNF opponent was from the same time zone.
One possible contributing explanation for the results is that WC teams may be competing closer to the time
they typically train each day. Enhanced athletic performance has been suggested when competition and
training times coincide (26)

Most NFL teams start practice around 8:00 - 8:30 a.m., lifting, on-field and/or mixed with positional meetings, LUNCH, and practice on-field and/or meetings, and out by 4:00 - 4:30..

So... West Coast teams are already at their complex and training hours BEFORE an 11:00 a.m. PST game time (1:00 p.m.). A EST game will end around the same time as a West Coast teams normal practice ends.


East Coast teams playing on the West Coast are starting around the time when their day usually ends.
Of course... we know 4:00 PST games (and all NFL games) last 3 hours.
So.... East Coast (EST teams) are playing HOURS after their normal practice times end.


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[gohusk]

Just so you know for future threads/posts: competitors who travel west

are more effected by the time change than competitors who travel east.


http://people.whitman.edu/~herbrawt/sleep.pdf


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And teams that play at home aren't affected at all. I don't understand what your point is.

 

[octagondd]

FIRST THINGS FIRST.... Raiders/Niners argument:

Other possible explanations for these results are unlikely (Table 1). The WC teams may simply be better
than the EC teams. However, although the overall WC team records are slightly better than EC team records since 1970 (0.542 vs. 0.498, respectively), this is nowhere near the 27 percentage point advantage demonstrated by WC teams on MNF.


SECOND.... EARLY START TIME Argument:

The results in this study were not secondary to the EC teams simply playing poorly on MNF as they experienced a home winning percentage of 65.2% when their MNF opponent was from the same time zone.
One possible contributing explanation for the results is that WC teams may be competing closer to the time
they typically train each day. Enhanced athletic performance has been suggested when competition and
training times coincide (26)

Most NFL teams start practice around 8:00 - 8:30 a.m., lifting, on-field and/or mixed with positional meetings, LUNCH, and practice on-field and/or meetings, and out by 4:00 - 4:30..

So... West Coast teams are already at their complex and training hours BEFORE an 11:00 a.m. PST game time (1:00 p.m.). A EST game will end around the same time as a West Coast teams normal practice ends.


East Coast teams playing on the West Coast are starting around the time when their day usually ends.
Of course... we know 4:00 PST games (and all NFL games) last 3 hours.
So.... East Coast (EST teams) are playing HOURS after their normal practice times end.


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What? Your first rebuttal about MNF leads directly to my argument about MNF. The EC teams playing a MNF game are at an internal clock of 9:30pm regardless of where the game is. Body is shutting down for the night.

WC teams are at an internal clock of 10am when the early east coast game starts and they just went through a 21 hour day which screws with their shut down and sleep time(jet lag). They are used to playing at 1pm or later on the west coast which does correspond to their on/field time. When EC teams come west to play at 1pm, it is like 4pm to them, just like the late game on the EC. It is still a reasonable performance time from 4-7, and they probably went to sleep earlier and slept longer and are more rested due to the 27 hour day they went through.