Gordon: negotiations, legal maneuverings, and odds he'll play

[Sam Sportboy]

Will of White..................I'm seeing a lot of buzz over on another board about what was said on the pregame show about Gordon and Welker. You seeing anything? What are the possibilities of the NFL reinstating these guys retroactivly?

 

[TREFF]

That would shock the hell outta me Sammy

 

[Sam Sportboy]

(FFToday)Broncos WR Wes Welker is suspended for the first four games of the season, and Browns WR Josh Gordon is suspended for the entire season. Both players have already appealed, and lost. And yet there's a chance that both players could still see their suspensions reduced. As Mike Florio reported on NBC, Welker, Gordon and potentially other players in the midst of suspensions could benefit from a new drug testing policy that the owners and players could agree upon soon.
Analysis: Offseason use of amphetamines would move from the PED policy to the substance-abuse policy, which would allow Welker to get by without a suspension as a first-time offender. Another change is that the threshold to trigger a positive result on a marijuana test would rise. That would affect Gordon because his positive test was just barely above the NFL's current threshold. What it means is that Welker could be available sooner than expected and Gordon is worthy of a stash.

 

[Sam Sportboy]

Well, as bad as my WR's are in my money league I dropped Bryce Brown for him.................worst case I can keep him next year................

 

[TREFF]

Never heard of a new law affecting previous convictions. They legalized weed here, those already in jail for weed didn't get off. I suppose they always could show mercy and do it. . But I highly doubt it

 

[TREFF]

And if they do. .. they'd better extend Rice's two games to 6.. that ones already in the books and there's no talk of doing anything retroactive there

 

[Beengay fudgepackers]

Never heard of a new law affecting previous convictions. They legalized weed here, those already in jail for weed didn't get off. I suppose they always could show mercy and do it. . But I highly doubt it

That's law governed by the sum not by the nfl. I think there is a difference. And I could see them lightening people's sentences, but not extending them.

 

[Sam Sportboy]

And if they do. .. they'd better extend Rice's two games to 6.. that ones already in the books and there's no talk of doing anything retroactive there

That was my thought too.................

 

[wilwhite]

That would go along to explaining why Gordon didn't rush off to court.

The current drug policy, negotiated in 2010, said it "supersedes a previous Policy" and "shall apply to all players as of May 1, 2002 regardless of their status in the intervention program." In other words, some players probably had their status changed, one way or another, when the new CBA came into effect. If they do the same thing now, Welker and Gordon would play. (I kinda suspect the new limits won't help Blackmon.)

 

[Sam Sportboy]

That would go along to explaining why Gordon didn't rush off to court.

The current drug policy, negotiated in 2010, said it "supersedes a previous Policy" and "shall apply to all players as of May 1, 2002 regardless of their status in the intervention program." In other words, some players probably had their status changed, one way or another, when the new CBA came into effect. If they do the same thing now, Welker and Gordon would play. (I kinda suspect the new limits won't help Blackmon.)

Maybe week 9???

(Rotoworld)Justin Blackmon can apply for reinstatement after November 1 (Week 9) of the 2014 season.
Analysis: Blackmon missed the final eight games of 2013 serving his indefinite suspension. He can apply for reinstatement one year from that date, but the Jaguars "aren't counting on him" this season. Still, it's surprising more hasn't been made of Blackmon's situation. Though not unprecedented, suspending Blackmon 24 games would be a strong statement from the NFL. Odell Thurman and Tanard Jackson were denied reinstatement under Roger Goodell and received two-year bans. (Thurman had multiple off-field arrests and Jackson was rumored to have violated the terms of his Treatment Plan). It's not clear if Blackmon is currently in good standing with the league. Similar to Josh Gordon, Blackmon's July DUI complicates matters and will subject him to the NFL's personal conduct policy.

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[Sam Sportboy]

Well, probably not..........I think the blackened statement is key...............

(Rotoworld)Suspended Jaguars WR Justin Blackmon was arrested on marijuana possession charges Wednesday night.
Analysis: According to police in Edmond, Oklahoma, Blackmon was stopped for a traffic violation and officers could smell an odor of marijuana coming from the car. After a search, marijuana was found and Blackmon was taken into custody. It's the latest transgression for the Jaguars wideout, who was suspended indefinitely last October following repeated violations of the substance-abuse policy. This certainly won't help Blackmon as he aims to get reinstated for the 2015 season. Blackmon has now been suspended three times since 2010.

 

[HizzleRocker]

You don't pass a test within a few days of a fail - and have the failed test by only 1ng/ml - If you had actually smoked it.

 

[wilwhite]

He could have lit up after the previous test, figuring he had time (remember his low body fat), tested barely positive a week or two later and not positive at all a few days after that.

And if he is trying to beat tests, people are probably suggesting all kinds of things he can do (like a bag of someone else's pee strapped to your leg when you go in... although I think they check for that now).

But the string of test results at face value mean calculated one-time use, second-hand smoke, or disciplined adherence to a get-the-THC-out-of-your-system regimen. (Since I don't think discipline is Gordon's strong suit, I figure it's second-hand smoke - or outright cheating the system.)

In any event, if there's a new drug agreement, he's probably off the hook.

On the other hand there was enough that I was missing before that I'm probably still missing something.

 

[wilwhite]

Looks like if he can stay clean another 10 weeks he can play against Atlanta on Nov. 23rd.

 

[wilwhite]

And he made it. Not quite how I predicted, but a good stash for those who had the bench space and the patience.

 

[TREFF]

And he made it. Not quite how I predicted, but a good stash for those who had the bench space and the patience.

Still can't believe a habitual offender, given a year suspension, is playing, and AP, Rice, first time offenders, who have already missed the 6 games outlined in the domestic abuse policy, are not

 

[wilwhite]

Unfortunately for the NFLPA, the Personal Conduct Policy doesn't put any restrictions on punishment. The NFLPA gave the NFL this power years ago. I have no idea why, but it never really got out of hand until Goodell got in there.

The "six games" and "domestic abuse policy" came from a letter Goodell sent out:

Effective immediately, violations of the Personal Conduct Policy regarding assault, battery, domestic violence or sexual assault that involve physical force will be subject to a suspension without pay of six games for a first offense, with consideration given to mitigating factors, as well as a longer suspension when circumstances warrant. Among the circumstances that would merit a more severe penalty would be a prior incident before joining the NFL, or violence involving a weapon, choking, repeated striking, or when the act is committed against a pregnant woman or in the presence of a child.

You'll notice Goodell starts from six games, but can shorten or lengthen at will based on "mitigating factors" and "circumstances." So it's not really six games, and it's certainly not a policy. Just more of "whatever the hell I decide."

 

[TREFF]

Unfortunately for the NFLPA, the Personal Conduct Policy doesn't put any restrictions on punishment. The NFLPA gave the NFL this power years ago. I have no idea why, but it never really got out of hand until Goodell got in there.

The "six games" and "domestic abuse policy" came from a letter Goodell sent out:



You'll notice Goodell starts from six games, but can shorten or lengthen at will based on "mitigating factors" and "circumstances." So it's not really six games, and it's certainly not a policy. Just more of "whatever the hell I decide."

yea, still doesn't help my head from hurting when I try and see the logic in it. When one person's version of "mitigating Factors" is the law of the land, when it's clearly up for interpretation and should be best left for a court of law, possibly a jury, or, at the very least a disciplinary committee, to decide..it's just wrong. I hate dicktators

 

[wilwhite]

You'll notice Rice doesn't fit Goodell's laundry list. No prior incident, no weapon, no choking, no repeated striking, Janay wasn't pregnant, and there were no kids around.

But because he said "among," there can be as many other factors as he wants. (Like, being on TMZ.)