Gonzaga and Wichita St.

[TrollyMcTroller]

If you're point is that playing in a crappy conference doesn't prepare you for the tourney as well as playing in a tough conference, I agree. But that has fuckall to do with getting a #1 seed (as demonstrated repeatedly by the selection committee) so I'm not sure why you're dwelling on the seeding.

 

[CatsTopPac]

If you're point is that playing in a crappy conference doesn't prepare you for the tourney as well as playing in a tough conference, I agree. But that has fuckall to do with getting a #1 seed (as demonstrated repeatedly by the selection committee) so I'm not sure why you're dwelling on the seeding.

Holy shit, you finally got my point!!!!!!!! Wow, didn't think it would ever happen.

All I'm saying is that it sucks when a team that is clearly not prepared to be a #1 seed ends up being a #1 seed, and, that it has happened the last two years with a very high likelihood of it happening for a third consecutive year. That's it, that's all I've got. That was all this whole thread was about.

I understand that sometimes a #1 seed is debatable. But I think it's absolutely ludicrous when the team has played such a shitty conference schedule that (TO ME) it's not even debatable how unprepared they are to play a top 15 team, then a top 10 team to get to the Final Four when nothing in their last 3 months has shown me that they are prepared to win those games enough to justify a #1 seed. That's the only thing seeding has to do with it. I'm just noticing that the last couple years it is becoming sort of a pattern that will likely be repeated this March. As much as seeding really doesn't matter, I would still like to see teams as #1 seeds who have shown me that based on their schedule, they can play with top 15, top 10, and top 5 teams come March.

But again, we'll see. I just wanted to throw out this angle so anyone who cares can put it on their radar. And if it all happens this March, like it has the previous two, then at least we can collectively recognize what's happening. If GU makes the Final Four, then I will gladly shut my mouth, eat crow, or whatever. I have no problem being wrong. I'm just saying that I am seeing something that (to me) doesn't add up. I see nothing this year that shows me GU is ready for a Sweet 16 game then an Elite Eight game, then a Final FOur game. I saw nothing like that from WSU last year, or GU the year before that. To me, that sucks when teams are systematically (again, a possible trend) put into a #1 seed when nothing shows me that they have played the competition that they will find in late March.

 

[TrollyMcTroller]

I see nothing this year that shows me GU is ready for a Sweet 16 game then an Elite Eight game, then a Final FOur game.

Didn't they take AZ to overtime in Tucson? Will Arizona play a team better than GU before the tournament starts? What have they done to show they are a #1 seed? Oh, that's right... they beat GU in overtime.

 

[CatsTopPac]

Didn't they take AZ to overtime in Tucson? Will Arizona play a team better than GU before the tournament starts? What have they done to show they are a #1 seed? Oh, that's right... they beat GU in overtime.

Again Trolly, you're doing it again.

1) I AM NOT SAYING THAT AZ IS A #1 SEED RIGHT NOW. I will try to explain this again. First, I don't think that AZ will be a legit #1 seed until March (if they even will be, this season). I think that unlike last season, AZ really needs to develop this season. I think that AZ is a better team than they were when they played GU. I think GU is only barely a better team than they were in Tucson. I don't think either were a top 4 team at the time. I still don't think either are. But who does GU get to improve against? I think that playing Utah, when we play them in the Huntsman Center will be against a top ten team in a harsh environment. They already blew out Utah in Tucson when AZ was #9 and Utah was #7. I think they were pretty even, I think AZ had the home edge, but I also think that Utah didn't show up. They will get to do it again in Utah. I think that will be a great game to see where AZ is. Honestly, I don't think we win that game. And guess what, while AZ gets the opportunity to play the Utahs, and the Stanfords, and even the OSUs, GU does not. That's one game against a top ten team back in December. Who else has GU played that is even a legit Sweet 16 team? How many games will GU play before the end of the season who are even tourney quality teams? BUT AGAIN, I DON'T THINK AZ IS A #1 SEED right now. Oh, that's right... you're trying to make this about AZ again.

 

[podsox]

GU is a loaded team, no argument there. But do you really think that a team playing a bunch of sub 100 teams for the last three months is really getting better, compared to teams that are banging it out for half their conference schedule against other teams that will be playing in March? They aren't getting weaknesses exposed when they are blowing scrub teams out of every gym for months. They aren't getting comfortable playing under pressure away from home when they go to a bunch of empty gyms and beating high school teams. And, it shows in March when they get a #1 seed and they have to play 3-4 ranked teams to get to the FF.

id agree if they were a young team but they have a lot of experience. ive noticed over the yrs how teams perform in true road games really doesn't matter come tourney time

 

[CatsTopPac]

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id agree if they were a young team but they have a lot of experience. ive noticed over the yrs how teams perform in true road games really doesn't matter come tourney time

Yeah, that's a great point. There is something to be said for guys who have been around the block, come March. I don't know. That being said, they still don't know what a Sweet 16 feels like, but we'll see!

In all honesty, I would like to see more teams from the west get into the Elite Eight. Shit, I'm dying to see one get back to the FF!

 

[ralphiewvu]

Alright smart guy. How about this; I care about conference (specifically) and over all (generally) SOS. It results in seeding.

Are all UWV fans illiterate, or just this one?

You are just more then fucking retarded if you are calling me illiterate when you contradicted yourself. You say in one post you don't care about seeding, yet you create this thread that critcizes mid majors for SEEDING.

An people like you wonder why they deserve to be shot. Pure stupidity would be the reason.

 

[ralphiewvu]

I posted my opinion about how I think the tourney should be done. The thread was about seeding. Then someone got all butt hurt and said I was making accusations against him. Then since he had nothing original to say, he turned one of my post around on another AZ fan.
Thin skin?

Go back and read from the beginning.

Perhaps reading comprehension isn't your thing. Trolly merely stated why those mid majors deserved their seeding. Yet you came down like he was the one that created this thread and was pissed about seeding. When in fact it was that simple jackass CatsTopPac that created this thread but then stated he didn't care about seeding. I would say absolute thin skin, on the zona fans.

 

[TrollyMcTroller]

Again Trolly, you're doing it again.

1) I AM NOT SAYING THAT AZ IS A #1 SEED RIGHT NOW. I will try to explain this again. First, I don't think that AZ will be a legit #1 seed until March (if they even will be, this season). I think that unlike last season, AZ really needs to develop this season. I think that AZ is a better team than they were when they played GU. I think GU is only barely a better team than they were in Tucson. I don't think either were a top 4 team at the time. I still don't think either are. But who does GU get to improve against? I think that playing Utah, when we play them in the Huntsman Center will be against a top ten team in a harsh environment. They already blew out Utah in Tucson when AZ was #9 and Utah was #7. I think they were pretty even, I think AZ had the home edge, but I also think that Utah didn't show up. They will get to do it again in Utah. I think that will be a great game to see where AZ is. Honestly, I don't think we win that game. And guess what, while AZ gets the opportunity to play the Utahs, and the Stanfords, and even the OSUs, GU does not. That's one game against a top ten team back in December. Who else has GU played that is even a legit Sweet 16 team? How many games will GU play before the end of the season who are even tourney quality teams? BUT AGAIN, I DON'T THINK AZ IS A #1 SEED right now. Oh, that's right... you're trying to make this about AZ again.

You said you hadn't seen anything to indicate that Gonzaga is ready for Sweet 16 play (whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean) I simply pointed out they went to Tuscon and took a highly ranked team that is also a contender for a #1 seed to overtime. Had the game been against Kentucky or Virginia I would have said that instead, but it wasn't. It was against Arizona. So get your panties out of a wad.

But you seem pretty confident that Arizona isn't a #1 seed caliber team, so if they get a #1 seed, will you be complaining about how the selection committee did? (They're currently #5 in the RPI behind VCU who has zero chance of getting a #1 seed)

You said you wanted discussion about this. Well, you got it. Did you want discussion, or did you want people to tell that you're right, and tell you how clever you are for figuring out that Gonzaga plays in a bad conference? It seems to me like you were hoping for the latter.

 

[TrollyMcTroller]

Also this notion that #1 seeds are expected to go to the Final Four is bullshit.

Since the field expanded to 64 teams 30 years ago, 120 teams have played FF games, and only 48 of them were #1 seeds. That's 40%. People that expect a team to make the Final Four because they have a #1 seed don't understand basketball.

 

[azchamps]

Hey trolly the troller, Thanks for making my point. 1997!
Yeah you are so smart.



You want to play games, you better know what you are talking about.
Some people, and myself used to think you were smart. you have exposed yourself.

NO MORE SOUP FOR YOU

 

[azchamps]

Perhaps reading comprehension isn't your thing. Trolly merely stated why those mid majors deserved their seeding. Yet you came down like he was the one that created this thread and was pissed about seeding. When in fact it was that simple jackass CatsTopPac that created this thread but then stated he didn't care about seeding. I would say absolute thin skin, on the zona fans.

Perhaps spelling isn't yours.

 

[azchamps]

Go back and read your posts.
Hillbilly spelling at it's best.

 

[azchamps]

So in this thread we have:
an Arizona fan (CatTopPac) who "doesn't care" about seeding but yet created this thread

an we have another zona fan (azchamps) who thinks someone other then a zona fan created this thread and now is chastizing him about it

Are Arizona fans all on drugs or just these two?

 

[TrollyMcTroller]

Hey trolly the troller, Thanks for making my point. 1997!
Yeah you are so smart.



You want to play games, you better know what you are talking about.
Some people, and myself used to think you were smart. you have exposed yourself.

NO MORE SOUP FOR YOU

CTP had a point. You're just running your fucking mouth. I may not always agree with all of the AZ fans on here but for the most part I at least respect their opinion. (whiney though it may be on occasion) You on the other hand have always fallen into the "windows licker" category.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Perhaps spelling isn't yours.

What have I misspelled exactly?

 

[azchamps]

is chastiZing. I knew I would have to point it out to you.

 

[azchamps]

Trolly the Troller. Calling people names again because he has nothing intelligent to say.
I'm done with this lame ass conversation.

GO CATS! BEAR DOWN!

 

[Smart]

Wow, this azchamps guy is pretty "special." I'm glad I haven't interacted with him much.

 

[ericd7633]

I've read through this whole thread. IMO to suggest Wichita State didn't deserve a 1 seed last year is being simply misguided.

Here are some facts regarding Wichita State's resume:
Record: 34-0
RPI: 4
BPI: 5(following tournament)
Ken Pom: 5(following tournament)
Non Conf. SoS: 29
SoS: 111

You basically want to penalize them for playing in an average conference where they won by an average margin of over 17 ppg. It's not like they ran through the MEAC or SWAC, the MVC was still the 11th best conference last year.

Arguing over their seeding based on tournament results are dumb IMO, especially in a one and done format. Wichita State wasn't the first 1 seed to lose to the 8/9 and they won't be the last either, it happens. Pitt lost to Butler in 2011 in the round of 32 as well, should they have not been a 1 seed?

Much the same can be said for Gonzaga as well. They were a two loss team that year heading into the tournament. There was also no P5 team(including Big East) that had fewer than 5 losses heading in the tournament that year. That was a strange year because you had a 5 loss Louisville, 5 loss Kansas, and 6 loss IU teams' get the other #1 seeds. I guess the committee could have given Duke the other #1 seed, but they kept them much closer to home instead of shipping them out west, which would have been their only option.

The point of seeding is to reward the teams for their regular season, not how you think each team will perform in the tournament itself.