Game of Thrones

[DarthVedder]

I think Arya is shit testing her to see how loyal she is to Jon, her, and little finger. She knows Sansa has always been an emotional girly-girl. She was always fucking with her about it at an early age. You saw it in the first couple episodes. After all this time roaming around Westeros trying to survive and learning to be a master assassin, there is no way she goes this dumb, this fast. It's a test.

I hope it's a combination of this and her playing LF and trying to unmask him. LF has to die in the next episode, he has become a pretty lame character anyway.

 

[Edonidd]

The more I think about it, the more this episode, and really this whole season in general have been pissing me off. But it definitely came to a head tonight.

The stated reason (and this has got to be thrilling to chf) that they have left Ghost out of the show is that supposedly he is too expensive to animate via CGI. They had a choice between animating Ghost or Wun Wun for last season's Battle of the Bastards, they thought the giant was more important to the story than ghost who first showed up season 1 episode 1. OK, stupid choice but I get it. But this season they have given us cameos by singers and baseball players. They showed the Direwolf Nymeria and her whole crew of wolves. Dragons have blown a shit load of fire and killed all sorts of stuff. Hell, Jon even got to pet a dragon. And then tonight for no reason they had an undead polar bear.

But they haven't put Ghost in a single episode in almost 2 full seasons.

 

[wildturkey]

Good episode, but too many magical red-shirts popping up out of nowhere. How hard would it have been to actually show 12 or 13 men marching at the beginning and have the red-shirts actually visible on the island? Having them appear out of nowhere in order to provide sacrifices to save the named characters was pretty lazy writing.

As much as I love him, Tormund should have died this episode. Unless GRRM has told D&D he has more for him, there is nothing more his character needs to do (No, we don't really need to see him and Brienne be a thing). I actually thought he was a goner for sure given his (funny) conversations early in the episode. Jorah probably could have ate it too but then everyone would bitch about him being cured and immediately dying.

 

[Innermind]

Both Littlefinger and Sansa will most likely be out of the picture soon. As will probably be Cersei and Jaime..... at least according to the original 3-page outline plan presented by George RR Martin in 1993. Per GRRM, the entire saga is centered around FIVE main characters who will make it all the way to the end:

Jon Snow
Bran Stark
Arya Stark
Tyrion Lannister
Daenerys Targaryen

Of course, even though they make it to the end, some of the above five could very well die in the finale.


Despite being very important to the overall story, the remaining characters are secondary.

George R.R. Martin's original plan for Game of Thrones | Watchers on the Wall | A Game of Thrones Community for Breaking News, Casting, and Commentary


If you read that 3-page outline from 1993, some things have changed from the original story idea, especially some stuff about Arya, and of course Jaime succeeding Joffrey on the throne.

 

[Innermind]

But they haven't put Ghost in a single episode in almost 2 full seasons.

I wouldn't sweat it.... after all, a damn wolf is not an important character central to the story-line....


....but......


.....at least you get to see Ghost's likeness quite often, if that's any consolation:

 

[calsnowskier]

I think Arya is shit testing her to see how loyal she is to Jon, her, and little finger. She knows Sansa has always been an emotional girly-girl. She was always fucking with her about it at an early age. You saw it in the first couple episodes. After all this time roaming around Westeros trying to survive and learning to be a master assassin, there is no way she goes this dumb, this fast. It's a test.

Arya did end up giving the knife to Sansa. I think she was basically saying...

"I am a bad ass. I could be you, if I wanted to, just to see what it is like to wear nice dresses. But I am not doing that because we are sisters. Blood is thicker than water."

 

[juliansteed]

Good episode, but too many magical red-shirts popping up out of nowhere. How hard would it have been to actually show 12 or 13 men marching at the beginning and have the red-shirts actually visible on the island? Having them appear out of nowhere in order to provide sacrifices to save the named characters was pretty lazy writing.

I wouldn't have minded clarification on who the Red Shirts were? I assume they were Tormund's wildlings but they also could have been men of the Night's Watch that were already at Eastwatch, or they could have been more guys from the Brotherhood. I know we only saw the main trio in the cell the weak before but they had more with them originally who could have been in another cell. I guess it doesn't really matter but I'm just curious.

 

[BusSport]

I wouldn't have minded clarification on who the Red Shirts were? I assume they were Tormund's wildlings but they also could have been men of the Night's Watch that were already at Eastwatch, or they could have been more guys from the Brotherhood. I know we only saw the main trio in the cell the weak before but they had more with them originally who could have been in another cell. I guess it doesn't really matter but I'm just curious.

Probably some of all three.

 

[juliansteed]

Arya is probably my least favorite character at this point. Littlefinger plays everyone but sweet jeebus make him at least try you stupid little bitch. Loved the episode.

I use to really like Arya but she is getting really annoying. Even if she's intended to be turned into a villain (I usually like good villains), I don't think I can like this version of Arya. She's not making any sense. Then again neither is Sansa for being concerned about that letter. In fact that letter plot makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever! Sansa should not be the least bit concerned about that letter. In fact she should just assume that Robb already told people about it years ago but that he knew they weren't her words. The Northern Lords would understand for sure, And that letter had absolutely ZERO negative impact on the Stark family because Robb did not do as the letter requested. None of the horrible things that happened to that family happened as a result of the letter.

 

[calsnowskier]

I wouldn't have minded clarification on who the Red Shirts were? I assume they were Tormund's wildlings but they also could have been men of the Night's Watch that were already at Eastwatch, or they could have been more guys from the Brotherhood. I know we only saw the main trio in the cell the weak before but they had more with them originally who could have been in another cell. I guess it doesn't really matter but I'm just curious.

I don't really care who they are. That's not important to me. But on a journey like this, I keep a tally in my head of who is still available and who has been killed. With the 10 shown marching in the opening scene, and the 3 killed by the polar bear (before the mauling of the red priest), that meant they were down to just the 7 known characters, and one of them deathly injured. Until they got to the lake. Then, all of the sudden, about 3 more red shirts appeared. They just did that so that the viewer would feel the tension of only having real characters left. Ultimate deus ex machina. Blatant lying to the viewer.

 

[BusSport]

Episode 7 preview:

 

[BusSport]

Obvious first pick in next year's NFL Draft (dude has great accuracy and a cannon of an arm):

 

[BusSport]

Crazy Dany:

 

[Hornsstampede2.0]

 

[Cave_Johnson]

This shit is getting full on retarded now.

The speed of Gendry, the ravens, and then the Dragons to get to those guys before they froze or died of thirst.

The Night's King with Uncle Rico-like arm a strength. Jesus, maybe don't show ballistics having no effect on a dragon if some faggot with blue skin is going to just calibrate his throw better than a marine sniper and take out a dragon with a fucking spear made of ice. That, or show how strong their ice weapons are. We already saw Jon fuck two of them up with Valyrian Steel. If those weapons can't destroy Valyrian Steel then they can't kill a dragon. That's the reason Valyrian Steel works. Because it's forged in dragon fire.

And why did he aim for the dragon flying around in the air instead of the one standing still with no idea where he was? Dany was on that one. He could have won the war right there.

How did they get all those giant chains to pull the dragon out of the water? Did they just find all those chains lying around? Is there some White Walker blacksmith out there? What was the reason they had them anyway? On the off chance a dragon died underwater? Why did the Night's King need to touch the dragon to bring it back to life? He brought back everybody at Hardhome without touching them. And can we all agree that the original actor who played the Night's King looked way better? This new guy looks like a crack head broke into the make-up department on the set of Avatar 2.

The Arya shit....what the fuck. She's one of the best characters in the books but damn if she isn't terrible in the show right now.

Good thing Dany had that very fashionable white dress that I guess kept her warm flying at a really high altitude for thousands of miles in the North.

And Benjen....guess we have to tie that up too. I noticed that the showrunners kept referring to him as "Coldhands" on the "Behind the Episode" even though we know that in the books Benjen is NOT "Coldhands". Why not just say Benjen? Has Coldhands ever even been mentioned in the show?

How come the ice gave in after the wights charged the first time, but then after they all stood there for presumably days and then all charged again at once nothing happened?

I just.....what the fuck man......what the fuck.

 

[Cave_Johnson]

Blue eyes, WIGHT dragon:

Okay, this is funny. A+

 

[juliansteed]

I never made a fuss about teleporting because I always justified it by assuming lots of time passed. The show set that standard in the first 30 minutes of the entire series. That usually could work but sometimes might lead to a few other minor questions but whatever. But for Gendry to have ran to the Wall, the raven to have flown half a continent to Dragonstone and then for the Daenerys and the 3 dragons to fly from Dragonstone to north of the Wall in a short enough period of time that those guys would haven't have all froze or starved to death is quite a bit much. I get that we don't know how fast dragons can fly so that is the one I can sort of accept except for the fact that Daenerys was riding one of them. You want to tell me they can fly as fast as a 747? I'll buy that but not with a human being riding on its back without any kind of a saddle or anything, not that a saddle would have made it much more believable but it's the least they could have done.

I'd like to think the 2 flaming swords might have kept them from freezing to death except one of the guys that owned a flaming sword was the one guy that did freeze to death. Speaking of Thoros, when he fell the rest should have eaten him. They've been foreshadowing cannibalism north of the Wall since the first season when Alliser Thorne was talking to Jon and Sam, then again in Season 3 in the buildup to the mutiny against Lord Commander Mormont. That would have made it at least a bit more believable that significant time had passed. I'm not sure they packed any lunches at all. The only food they might have had with them was what they might have had in their winter coat pockets. Also why the fuck did they not take any horses north of the Wall with them?

Jon surviving the frozen pond is either very good or very stupid. Unfortunately my money is on the latter. If it was intended to mirror Daenerys surviving fire twice then I think that's a pretty cool idea. You know that whole "Ice and Fire" thing. Otherwise that's a bit of a leap. I get that it's a fantasy series so I'm willing to accept fantasy type explanations for things, but yeah if Arya could survive what she survived last season, I guess it's no big deal. The reason I don't think it was intended to mirror that (or if it was it was poorly done) is because Jon did seem affected by the extremely cold water. When Daenerys survived the fire it's not like she came out of it "Holy fuck that was hot! But hey it's pretty cool I survived, right?" She wasn't phased by the extreme heat at all.

Still a good episode but good in the way that movies like Indiana Jones, Back to the Future, Star Wars etc. are good. By that I mean not everything really has to make perfect sense for it to be enjoyable. But it wasn't good in the way that the first few season of the show were good. Not that everything always made absolute perfect sense then either but it wasn't as silly as this episode was. As ridiculously cheesy as it would be, I'd like to see a scene in the next episode where Jon asks Daenerys how the fuck she got there so fast when he only sent the raven a couple of days ago and Dany asks "What raven?" and says that she left quite a while ago just because she was worried about the mission. Yes it would be lame and would never happen

 

[Hornsstampede2.0]

honestly, If we were not afraid to say it aloud. The Season sort of blows to a certain degree.
We are all too invested in this show, and much like Breaking Bad the final season.

We are afraid to criticize a show that might have jumped the shark a little bit from the great first 6 seasons.

- Teleporters, Even stronger and more impressive than ever
- Home Depot of Industrial strength Chains beyond the wall
- Barry Allen the Flash Gendry
- Infinite Supply of Star Trek Red Shirt dudes now
- Ridiculous Expositions of obscure book fandom rammed into the stupid conversations while walking
- Silly freaking 1960s James Bond Attache Case of Rubber Face Masks ruining the cool mysticism

 

[juliansteed]

How come the ice gave in after the wights charged the first time, but then after they all stood there for presumably days and then all charged again at once nothing happened?

This is the only question that I think might have a valid answer. I guess we have to assume that with the White Walkers around the temperature dropped. Or even besides the White Walkers the temperature is dropping naturally. That's pretty much all I got. I guess Wights must vary in intelligence though. I mean how many of them decided to keep running into the water after the first few dropped before they decided to stop? Then however long later the Hound throws a rock and it lands on the ice and they seem to understand some basic chemistry and physics and decide to take their chances again.

 

[Cave_Johnson]

This is the only question that I think might have a valid answer. I guess we have to assume that with the White Walkers around the temperature dropped. Or even besides the White Walkers the temperature is dropping naturally. That's pretty much all I got. I guess Wights must vary in intelligence though. I mean how many of them decided to keep running into the water after the first few dropped before they decided to stop? Then however long later the Hound throws a rock and it lands on the ice and they seem to understand some basic chemistry and physics and decide to take their chances again.

I have no problem with that explanation. The magical element of it is fine as long as it's consistent. For instance, like you mentioned Jon surviving the cold water. I didn't bring that up because I'm assuming he has some sort of immunity to the cold because he has died. I know deep down that the writers never considered this and just decided it wasn't an issue, but it's what I'm choosing to believe because I don't need to get more annoyed by some of the shit going on here.