Game of Thrones

[Guy Incognito]

Yup.

Travel to White Harbor, boat to Dragonstone. In the books a trip from Winterfell to King's Landing takes MONTHS. Even by sea it takes a long time. Heck if you look at a map you can see there are some pretty obvious logistical problems for Team Dany and for Team Euron. How did Euron intercept Yara's fleet FIRST when he was traveling from the Iron Island, past Lannisport, to Dorne and how did he get back to intercept Team Greyworm? Heck the boat ride from Dragonstone to Lannisport is REALLY long and goes right by King's Landing. But that is quibbling, IMO.


The show has necessarily compressed time because no one wants to watch people riding on paths or boats for episodes on end.

Regardless my point isn't that time needs to be linear and realistic. My point is that time should be consistent for everyone.

Euron left from King's Landing. He came there around the same-ish time as Dany got to Dragonstone.

So, Euron could have conceivably had ships out spying for a move, wrecked the first fleet, and moved on to the Rock to wreck the second.

 

[Innermind]

You think they switch to sea gulls to handle ship-to-ship communications?

Or is messaging a job only for the black birds?

 

[RegentDenali]

Have you ever looked at a map of Westeros?

Littlefinger let him borrow his teleportation device

 

[RegentDenali]

They obviously wanted to create tension and bitthurt by having Cersi open up with some big victories early on. Mom and sand snakes and Tyrell were worthless at this point. Small armies, especially the Tyrells who had nothing left but some gold stashed around a poorly protected castle.

Ask the Nazis how looting like that worked out in the end when a war is going on. Gold and paintings are worthless when you need weapons and bodies to fight.

Lannisters made some nice opening moves, but some shit is coming their way as well.

 

[OutlawImmortal]

Yeah, those are great. I think I'm partial to the Fire Witch's tits. The daughter or maybe granddaughter of the old broad that just drank poison has a pretty nice rack as well.

Dany's slave girl is the hottest, hands down.

 

[Innermind]

Small armies, especially the Tyrells who had nothing left but some gold stashed around a poorly protected castle.

Lannisters made some nice opening moves, but some shit is coming their way as well.

Exactly. The Reach is the highest population region of Westeros because they boast the most fertile land in Westeros. The Tyrells have historically been the second richest house in Westeros 2nd only to the Lannisters.... primarily due to all the food resources controlled by the Tyrells. But... the Reach is predominantly a bunch of farmers, not warriors (with the exception of House Tarly)......so....

....any competent leader/advisor/Hand of the Queen/general would realize that Dany's first priority should have been to reinforce the Reach and Highgarden with troops in order to protect the food supply! DUH!

Specifically, Dany's first move should have been to land troops at Oldtown, and march them up the road to Highgarden. You know.... protect your ally, the food, and especially Highgarden...seeing that it is relatively close to Casterly Rock and Lannisport. Then, after Highgarden is protected, have Dothraki patrols on constant duty along the Ocean Road between Lannisport and Highgarden, as well as the Rose Road between Highgarden and King's Landing. DUH!

I'm pretty disappointed in the writing.

 

[Godstree]

Yeah, her three children are already wearing their golden shrouds (dead).
Her death comes at the hands of the valonquar (spelling?), which is little brother.
Some folks think that's Tyrion.
But, Cersei was born before Jamie, so it could be him, as well.

Hard to believe they wrap up the Cersei/Kings Landing plot in the last few episodes, but anything is possible.

I got the impression Ollena was foreshadowing some major shit with her last talk to Jamie.

 

[flyerhawk]

My current theory is that Arya is going to kill Cersei while face changed to look like Jaime.

 

[Cobrabit]

Regarding Euron's fleet, he left from King's Landing and likely intercepted Yara's fleet heading to Dorne very close to Dragonstone/King's Landing with the Unsullied probably slightly ahead of them on their way around Dorne towards Lannisport. Euron could have returned to KL with the prisoners either with his entire fleet or just a single ship while the remaining fleet went towards the Unsullied. Either way, his fleet would have caught up to them over that journey, as they are the better sailors.

While the capture of Casterly Rock was only a few minutes in the show, it could've taken longer than implied allowing for additional time for Euron's fleet to arrive.

 

[Vyle203]

Regarding Euron's fleet, he left from King's Landing and likely intercepted Yara's fleet heading to Dorne very close to Dragonstone/King's Landing with the Unsullied probably slightly ahead of them on their way around Dorne towards Lannisport. Euron could have returned to KL with the prisoners either with his entire fleet or just a single ship while the remaining fleet went towards the Unsullied. Either way, his fleet would have caught up to them over that journey, as they are the better sailors.

While the capture of Casterly Rock was only a few minutes in the show, it could've taken longer than implied allowing for additional time for Euron's fleet to arrive.

Didn't Danaerys hint that the majority of unsullied stayed with her? I'm trying to figure out just how big of a hit that actually was.

 

[Cobrabit]

Didn't Danaerys hint that the majority of unsullied stayed with her? I'm trying to figure out just how big of a hit that actually was.

The Dothraki stayed with her, but I imagine the majority of the Unsullied went to Casterly Rock, as they were still expecting to be outnumbered by the Lannisters by quite a bunch.

 

[Cobrabit]

And to add on, the Unsullied haven't been devastated (yet). They've just taken a castle that they'll have to abandon and march back without their ships. Euron will not attack the Unsullied while they hold Casterly Rock and were only there to destroy their fleet/escape.

If they do march back, they'll have to travel by King's Landing, but Jamie's army is essentially the same distance away from KL currently and we could see both armies meet in the open field rather than a siege.

 

[DetroitDevil]

Hbo hacked, episodes and internal documents stolen.

 

[Innermind]

My current theory is that Arya is going to kill Cersei while face changed to look like Jaime.

I was thinking the same thing...however, I believe Arya might not be the one to kill Jaime to take his face......

.....rather, I think Brienne might end up killing Jaime in battle, and then Arya seizes the opportunity of then taking Jaime's face from his dead corpse.

 

[Innermind]

Watch the Episode 4 trailer closely----------



Pay particular attention to the conversation between Cersei and the banker....

Banker: "You can count on the Iron Bank as soon as the gold arrives."

Translation: I believe the gold may NOT arrive....perhaps Dany & Drogon will intercept the gold wagon and it's Lannister escort!
Drogon would certainly be able to roast the escort troops....but is he strong enough to lift the gold wagon?

Again, pay particular attention to the 15 second mark of the trailer when Jaime is looking into the rear of the gold wagon......and then note the 19 second mark of the trailer when we actually see the Lannister gold convoy! This clearly indicates to me that the gold convoy travel scene will play a part of the episode 4 story-line!

Think about it.......most travel scenes have been cut or not even filmed in the season 7 episodes, because travel scenes are meaningless....however, clearly the gold convoy scene is going to occur in episode 4..... it has to be for a reason, amiright?

 

[RegentDenali]

Exactly. The Reach is the highest population region of Westeros because they boast the most fertile land in Westeros. The Tyrells have historically been the second richest house in Westeros 2nd only to the Lannisters.... primarily due to all the food resources controlled by the Tyrells. But... the Reach is predominantly a bunch of farmers, not warriors (with the exception of House Tarly)......so....

....any competent leader/advisor/Hand of the Queen/general would realize that Dany's first priority should have been to reinforce the Reach and Highgarden with troops in order to protect the food supply! DUH!

Specifically, Dany's first move should have been to land troops at Oldtown, and march them up the road to Highgarden. You know.... protect your ally, the food, and especially Highgarden...seeing that it is relatively close to Casterly Rock and Lannisport. Then, after Highgarden is protected, have Dothraki patrols on constant duty along the Ocean Road between Lannisport and Highgarden, as well as the Rose Road between Highgarden and King's Landing. DUH!

I'm pretty disappointed in the writing.

I understand it was a move by the Lannisters to try to seize gold to fund the war effort and control a major food source for the south, and especially keep it away from Danys army.

But the way it went down like that has had my interest and been eating at me. Its like she knew it was going to happen. And besides the convo with Jaime to tell Cersi she killed Jeoffrey...I just cant imagine thats her last act of revenge after what the Lannisters did to her family. Maybe nothing will happen, but it just feels like she put something in motion behind the scenes that will go down in later episodes that will really be the revenge act. Something that was planned out before her obvious demise and will be unleashed later. Its like she knew this was the end for her, but would never let her family legacy go down like chumps like that.

It really seemed way to easy for the Lannisters considering her ability to play the game.

Maybe they go out with a whisper, but her demise seemed way to easy.

 

[RegentDenali]

Watch the Episode 4 trailer closely----------



Pay particular attention to the conversation between Cersei and the banker....

Banker: "You can count on the Iron Bank as soon as the gold arrives."

Translation: I believe the gold may NOT arrive....perhaps Dany & Drogon will intercept the gold wagon and it's Lannister escort!
Drogon would certainly be able to roast the escort troops....but is he strong enough to lift the gold wagon?

Again, pay particular attention to the 15 second mark of the trailer when Jaime is looking into the rear of the gold wagon......and then note the 19 second mark of the trailer when we actually see the Lannister gold convoy! This clearly indicates to me that the gold convoy travel scene will play a part of the episode 4 story-line!

Think about it.......most travel scenes have been cut or not even filmed in the season 7 episodes, because travel scenes are meaningless....however, clearly the gold convoy scene is going to occur in episode 4..... it has to be for a reason, amiright?

Like I said in the last post. I believe Olenna's parting gift for the Lannisters wasn't just telling Jaime to inform Cersi it was her that killed Jeoffrey. That was just the bait. She was already dressed in death robes when the sister boinking douche walked in the room thinking he had won easily.

Something much more significant was going to happen to that slow moving loot train. Olenna knew very well how much the Lannisters were in debt to get where they were and would come for for the gold early in the war. And she would plan to make sure it never got back to King's Landing. That would be the Tyrell's legacy. Especially after what Cersi did to Margaery.

Think Highway of Death during the first gulf war.

 

[wildturkey]

Like I said in the last post. I believe Olenna's parting gift for the Lannisters wasn't just telling Jaime to inform Cersi it was her that killed Jeoffrey. That was just the bait. She was already dressed in death robes when the sister boinking douche walked in the room thinking he had won easily.

Something much more significant was going to happen to that slow moving loot train. Olenna knew very well how much the Lannisters were in debt to get where they were and would come for for the gold early in the war. And she would plan to make sure it never got back to King's Landing. That would be the Tyrell's legacy. Especially after what Cersi did to Margaery.

Think Highway of Death during the first gulf war.

I dunno. Maybe. Olenna's been wearing that outfit since Cersei murdered her family. It's a mourning outfit as traditionally, women would wear all black when a family member died. It could be a plan but for it to be, wouldn't she be expecting to lose? That seems like a stretch. Based on the previews, it looks like Dany just gets tired of waiting around and wants to burn some shit. She's riding Drogon at the end. Like someone said earlier, she just so happens to find the Lannisters as they are transporting the gold they need to pay off their debts...which seems convenient but fits with how fast things move this season

 

[RegentDenali]

 

[RegentDenali]

I dunno. Maybe. Olenna's been wearing that outfit since Cersei murdered her family. It's a mourning outfit as traditionally, women would wear all black when a family member died. It could be a plan but for it to be, wouldn't she be expecting to lose? That seems like a stretch. Based on the previews, it looks like Dany just gets tired of waiting around and wants to burn some shit. She's riding Drogon at the end. Like someone said earlier, she just so happens to find the Lannisters as they are transporting the gold they need to pay off their debts...which seems convenient but fits with how fast things move this season

Yes. But Olenna Tyrell was a total savage. She's sitting in her castle with a token army as the Lannister's predictably arrive to take their wealth back to King's Landing to fund Cersi's war.
I'm not entirely expecting some total destruction of the loot train by the end of the episode because it appears to be drama bait in the episode. But.....highway of death could be coming just enough to fuck up the Lannister's plan and their also made to go into desperation mode.