Gaborik

[CaptHowdy00]

What has happened to him?

 

[PuckinUgly57]

Um he's old? He is 33 and not nearly as effective but in all fairness no one is having a great season not named Carter or Toffoli, and even then Carter (26 pts/27 games) isn't even in the Top 20 for scoring.

The Kings are winning so it isn't under a microscope now, and he did score 27 goals just last season so it could either be the funk the whole team is under or the beginning of the end. He scored only 12 goals between the Rangers and the BJs in 2012-13 in 47 games and turned it around after arriving here so who knows.

We won't know for a little while.

 

[Kings4OT]

He looked pretty good tonight against the Pens and I think he has looked better overall lately vs the start of the season

 

[Deader2818]

The Kings aren't a high scoring team over all so as long as we keep winning I dont think it matters who is scoring the goals.

 

[Kings4OT]

The Kings aren't a high scoring team over all so as long as we keep winning I dont think it matters who is scoring the goals.

Sure , but as we have witnessed in the passed they stop winning at some point when other players don't share the load. Its a team sport and when you get paid more then others to perform it becomes noticeable when you do not as it hampers the team in multiple ways.

 

[Win TWINS!!!]

Um he's old? He is 33 and not nearly as effective but in all fairness no one is having a great season not named Carter or Toffoli, and even then Carter (26 pts/27 games) isn't even in the Top 20 for scoring.

The Kings are winning so it isn't under a microscope now, and he did score 27 goals just last season so it could either be the funk the whole team is under or the beginning of the end. He scored only 12 goals between the Rangers and the BJs in 2012-13 in 47 games and turned it around after arriving here so who knows.

We won't know for a little while.

He's still only 33? Seems like it's been forever since he was with the Wild and was made of glass.

 

[CaptHowdy00]

2015-16 Los Angeles Kings - m.hkref.com

Both Gabbo and Brown have the same amount of points (9). Though Gabbo has more goals than assists and it's the other way around for Brown. There has been discussions on this board how Brown needs to be shipped out based on his play and salary. Gabbo is not doing that much better and I think that the Kings can get more for him than Brown.
Brown brings a physical aspect to the game that Gabbo does not. Now unless there is a significant change to the way things are going for Gabbo, I think that at the trade deadline the Kings can get more for him then Brown, and I venture that they can package them together.

 

[Kings4OT]

2015-16 Los Angeles Kings - m.hkref.com

Both Gabbo and Brown have the same amount of points (9). Though Gabbo has more goals than assists and it's the other way around for Brown. There has been discussions on this board how Brown needs to be shipped out based on his play and salary. Gabbo is not doing that much better and I think that the Kings can get more for him than Brown.
Brown brings a physical aspect to the game that Gabbo does not. Now unless there is a significant change to the way things are going for Gabbo, I think that at the trade deadline the Kings can get more for him then Brown, and I venture that they can package them together.

That is not a fair assessment, first off Gabby is a proven goal scorer and is a threat when he is on the first or second line...Brown not so much and these days Gabby is about as physical as Brown anyways. I was a Brown supporter for a long time but he is off his game by a lot. Yes we could definitely get more for Gabby but why? he is starting to heat up, scorers are streaky anyways where Brown seems to have lost the will to try

 

[PuckinUgly57]

2015-16 Los Angeles Kings - m.hkref.com

Both Gabbo and Brown have the same amount of points (9). Though Gabbo has more goals than assists and it's the other way around for Brown. There has been discussions on this board how Brown needs to be shipped out based on his play and salary. Gabbo is not doing that much better and I think that the Kings can get more for him than Brown.
Brown brings a physical aspect to the game that Gabbo does not. Now unless there is a significant change to the way things are going for Gabbo, I think that at the trade deadline the Kings can get more for him then Brown, and I venture that they can package them together.

I'm not worried about Gaborik as much as I am Brown. Yes, Gaborik has not delivered this year so far but it's only this year, and it's only December. Brown has been a cesspool for 4+ years and the Kings keep eating his salary. If Gaborik does not have a good 2015-16 season and next year looks like more of the same, then yes, the Kings need to figure out how to move him.

I'm not sure why you think Gaborik and Brown would be packaged, they are owed a total of $54.475 million in total salary over the next 6 years (Brown 6 years/$32.5 million cash/cap hit $5.875 million, Gaborik 5 years/$21.975 million cash/cap hit $4.875 million) and no team is in a position to absorb that much money, not to mention the Kings are looking at a good cap recapture penalty for both of them.

Gaborik does not have any type of NMC/NTC that I am aware of, so he would be easier to move but his cons are 1) he's 33 now, 2) he has 5 years left on his deal and 3) he has a history of getting injured. Brown does have a full NMC (cannot be waived or traded without his consent at all) but his cons are 1) he has 6 years left on his deal and 2) he has not produced in over 4 years.

His pro is he is 3 years younger than Gaborik but he has heavy miles, I would not be surprised to see him get injured and just never be the same based on the way he played his entire career.

Bottom line, both guys will be hard to move but for variable reasons and I certainly don't think they would be moved together.

 

[PuckinUgly57]

Correction, Brown has a Limited NMC, he can submit a list of 8 teams he can be traded to. Gaborik has no NMC/NTC at all.

 

[PuckinUgly57]

He's still only 33? Seems like it's been forever since he was with the Wild and was made of glass.

I'll always associate him with the Wild, I still see him in green even when he is wearing an LA uniform. He was a ton of fun to watch in his youth with Minnesota.

His propensity to get injured has always been a concern of mine with LA, and while he has not been injured as much he has missed considerable time the last 2 years with LA, most recently in 2014 when he missed 12 games with an UBI early in the season.

 

[CaptHowdy00]

The thing is, if Gabby is going dow the same path as Brown it is better to trade him now for value then try to move him when he is proven to be on the slide.
I misspoke about the package, I was more thinking of trading both of them.

 

[Kings4OT]

What do you think you would get for Gabby? With him the Kings have a better chance at a cup, without him ? Are you saying its time to rebuild?

 

[PuckinUgly57]

What do you think you would get for Gabby? With him the Kings have a better chance at a cup, without him ? Are you saying its time to rebuild?

I don't think Howdy means actively shop him, I think he is asking "Is Gaborik on the slide?" and it's a legitimate question IMO based on his age and (so far) lack of production. When Brown started tanking, we heard the "well it's only 1 year" comments and well...it's 4 years later and it hasn't changed and he got a ridiculous contract in that span. Better to look at things more closely than not.

Personally, I have not seen Gaborik look bad, he simply is not getting the chances he was getting but he's doing the same things. I have not noticed a decline in his speed or hands, the opportunities just aren't there as they have been. I think you have to give credit to opposing teams, they have played the Kings pretty tough this season but I also think it's a matter of time before Gaborik explodes. As you said, scorers like him are streaky and he will score in a bunch when it does happen.

Toffoli is the next guy I'm worried about but from a dollars standpoint, if the cap doesn't go up significantly between now and 2017-18 the Kings will most likely need to lose some people (5 RFAs currently on the roster - Andreoff, Shore, Toffoli, Pearson and Mersch although we don't know anything about Mersch and what kinf of player he will be at the NHL level yet if at all).

I think around this time is when you will see the rumors pop up about guys like Gaborik, Martinez, Muzzin possibly being shopped.

 

[Kings4OT]

He is getting older so of course he is on the downside of his career and an injury is probably on the way. Brown at least brought physical play and used to look like he wanted to compete but has neither going for him now. Gabby even old is a scorer and even in old age will be a threat for that. Gabby played poorly to start the season but has played better lately. I would still ask what do you want to get for Gabby? There would be very few deals that would not ultimately hurt the Kings now. I am just not sure I am willing to hurt the season for some picks or prospects, their chance is still now unless something drastic happens and would rather see them build toward that goal