Four Seasons Loco Coffee and Total Landscaping Talk

[Comeds]

lol new cause of death or what?

It's tough. On one hand the cops are innocent, on the other Covid is exaggerated/a hoax......maybe some Mexicans got him?

 

[dash]

It's tough. On one hand the cops are innocent, on the other Covid is exaggerated/a hoax......maybe some Mexicans got him?

Maybe it was bad dates?!?

 

[elocomotive]

Sic him, mad dog.

I'm just catching up to this new, but the usual pattern is (1) didn't really know him, (2) wasn't in a key role, and (3) talking about how the person lost it/went crazy. 1 and 2 are going to be tough here.

 

[thedddd]

 

[Darkstone42]

 

[jstewismybastardson]

Good to see things are changing

 

[mattola]

America summed up for 2020

 

[puckhead]

What, and I cannot stress this enough, the fuck?

 

[elocomotive]

It's simply amazing that some of these cops just do... not... get... it. Bear with me, this is long, but it's good.

I've been thinking a lot lately about a huge misunderstanding that is pretty common to either rednecks or bad cops. It's their definition of what what the best qualities to be desired are. It explains their frustration and their fallibility. It explains the story lines on Fox News they buy into. That basic misconception is this:

They think the most important thing in life is following the rules. But it's actually adaptability.

Think about what following the rules is. It can manifest in being a person of faith or being very hard working as examples. But following the rules doesn't keep you in a job and it doesn't get you ahead. We've seen MANY instances where communities and companies (let's say a big mine for example) is scaling back and cutting jobs. Even in circumstances where the employees are offered free training to transition to a new job, they often don't take it. Especially the ones who become the most bitter and entrenched. They believe they are following the rules of man in their willingness to work hard. They believe they are following the rules of God and he will provide an answer. But following the rules doesn't generally bring success because the world changes always.

Famine, pandemic, industry shifts, job expectations, wars, drought, demographic shifts, religious movements. The word "normalcy" has been used a lot lately, but it's a pretty strong illusion. These events don't follow the rules, and their aftermath leads to shifts that require adaptability for survival. We see this in nature as well as in humans.

Rednecks are often not adaptable. "I will die in this house." "I never want to work in another job." "This is what my family has always done." They are strongly routinized. The scope of their imagination lies within strictly drawn lines. They follow the rules and rewards will follow. But not the immigrant. They rush to fill holes in the economy. They are willing to work long hours. This is what makes them such an affront to rednecks. They didn't follow the rules, but they were adaptable. And they succeeded, at least seemingly. And this breeds anger.

This is true for the cops as well. The needs of policing change and societies evolve. The beat cop who lived in a world of good and bad and clearcut lines isn't there anymore. This world has evolved and advanced. it asks more than just to protect us from the bad guy. It demands you are discerning and cautious. It perhaps asks you to risk more yourself to better protect the citizens who have not taken the oath you have.

But you don't understand this adaptation. You know only the rules. The rules that you will drown trying to follow.

 

[dash]

America summed up for 2020

Socks, but no sandals. Well, it's not Portland.

/comeds like this

 

[Darkstone42]

It's simply amazing that some of these cops just do... not... get... it. Bear with me, this is long, but it's good.

I've been thinking a lot lately about a huge misunderstanding that is pretty common to either rednecks or bad cops. It's their definition of what what the best qualities to be desired are. It explains their frustration and their fallibility. It explains the story lines on Fox News they buy into. That basic misconception is this:

They think the most important thing in life is following the rules. But it's actually adaptability.

Think about what following the rules is. It can manifest in being a person of faith or being very hard working as examples. But following the rules doesn't keep you in a job and it doesn't get you ahead. We've seen MANY instances where communities and companies (let's say a big mine for example) is scaling back and cutting jobs. Even in circumstances where the employees are offered free training to transition to a new job, they often don't take it. Especially the ones who become the most bitter and entrenched. They believe they are following the rules of man in their willingness to work hard. They believe they are following the rules of God and he will provide an answer. But following the rules doesn't generally bring success because the world changes always.

Famine, pandemic, industry shifts, job expectations, wars, drought, demographic shifts, religious movements. The word "normalcy" has been used a lot lately, but it's a pretty strong illusion. These events don't follow the rules, and their aftermath leads to shifts that require adaptability for survival. We see this in nature as well as in humans.

Rednecks are often not adaptable. "I will die in this house." "I never want to work in another job." "This is what my family has always done." They are strongly routinized. The scope of their imagination lies within strictly drawn lines. They follow the rules and rewards will follow. But not the immigrant. They rush to fill holes in the economy. They are willing to work long hours. This is what makes them such an affront to rednecks. They didn't follow the rules, but they were adaptable. And they succeeded, at least seemingly. And this breeds anger.

This is true for the cops as well. The needs of policing change and societies evolve. The beat cop who lived in a world of good and bad and clearcut lines isn't there anymore. This world has evolved and advanced. it asks more than just to protect us from the bad guy. It demands you are discerning and cautious. It perhaps asks you to risk more yourself to better protect the citizens who have not taken the oath you have.

But you don't understand this adaptation. You know only the rules. The rules that you will drown trying to follow.

I think this is all true. But I don't think there's a point to distinguishing good and bad cops. I don't think all cops are intentionally bad, but I do think they all are. And I don't even mean that as an indictment of the people.

Cops cannot be good, at least not in the US, because the job asked of them here is impossible.

They're asked to respond to everything. Traffic violations, mental health emergencies, domestic abuse, active shooters, sometimes just general disagreements. No one has the skill set to adequately respond to all of those things. No one can learn it. No one can learn, with immediate recall, every single law in nuanced detail.

Cops can't be good because they're asked to do too many jobs at once, and given weapons and a total lack of accountability to use violence as an easy out when they're out of their element.

Policing needs to be tasked with doing less stuff. The current job needs to be divided among various specialist agencies, and these agencies need to be unarmed, or very lightly armed, depending on what they're responding to. Put the people charged with protecting and serving the community into positions in which they can succeed, positions which take advantage of their specific skills, and don't ask them to do what they aren't good at. Take away the easy out of violence as an option with reduced weaponry and increased accountability. Police brutality will plummet, and the effectiveness of this new "policing" will skyrocket.

To wit:


The whole thread is very informative, but these tweets are relevant to the point I'm making here.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

 

[forty_three]

If you don't want press, then don't lead an overtly racist police force.

What, and I cannot stress this enough, the fuck?

We really need a WTF reaction emoji.

 

[dash]

RESIGN!!

 

[elocomotive]

It is so fashionable to blame President Trump for every wrong in America, and he can be a handful — And can he do better? Yes — but the problems we have in America today were not caused by President Trump,” Graham said, adding: “This is just such easy, cheap politics.”

“To General Mattis, I think you’re missing something here, my friend,” Graham said. “You’re missing the fact that the liberal media has taken every event in the last 3½ years and laid it at the president’s feet. I’m not saying he’s blameless, but I am saying that you’re buying into a narrative that I think is quite frankly unfair.”


Nobody is saying Trump is to blame for EVERYTHING wrong with America. He didn't invent the coronavirus. Racial injustice existed LONG before he became President or was even born. But he is the President and , by your own admission, he bears some blame. More importantly, he shows no initiative to take responsibility for that blame, no interest in improving on his faults, and no interest in even reading his daily briefings or learning about the issues he is supposed to be leading on. Criticism from the media is something EVERY PRESIDENT must endure and if he didn't want that he shouldn't have taken the fucking job.

 

[scoutyjones2]

I think this is all true. But I don't think there's a point to distinguishing good and bad cops. I don't think all cops are intentionally bad, but I do think they all are. And I don't even mean that as an indictment of the people.

Cops cannot be good, at least not in the US, because the job asked of them here is impossible.

They're asked to respond to everything. Traffic violations, mental health emergencies, domestic abuse, active shooters, sometimes just general disagreements. No one has the skill set to adequately respond to all of those things. No one can learn it. No one can learn, with immediate recall, every single law in nuanced detail.

Cops can't be good because they're asked to do too many jobs at once, and given weapons and a total lack of accountability to use violence as an easy out when they're out of their element.

Policing needs to be tasked with doing less stuff. The current job needs to be divided among various specialist agencies, and these agencies need to be unarmed, or very lightly armed, depending on what they're responding to. Put the people charged with protecting and serving the community into positions in which they can succeed, positions which take advantage of their specific skills, and don't ask them to do what they aren't good at. Take away the easy out of violence as an option with reduced weaponry and increased accountability. Police brutality will plummet, and the effectiveness of this new "policing" will skyrocket.

To wit:


The whole thread is very informative, but these tweets are relevant to the point I'm making here.

I couldn't read past your first paragraph. That's insulting to my relatives who are/were very good policemen and detectives. It's also a cop out...pun intended.

 

[elocomotive]

I couldn't read past your first paragraph. That's insulting to my relatives who are/were very good policemen and detectives. It's also a cop out...pun intended.

Ironically, you have to read past his first paragraph to arrive at his point, which is not insulting to the police themselves, but focuses more on structural impossibility.

One of the lessons of this President SHOULD be that easy answers (e.g. - that is a terrible deal, I'll make a good deal instead") are illusory. Being good citizens requires us to read further, check that link for accuracy before we share, make sure we vote, etc. etc. It's hard work. The alternative is harder.

 

[scoutyjones2]

Ironically, you have to read past his first paragraph to arrive at his point, which is not insulting to the police themselves, but focuses more on structural impossibility.

One of the lessons of this President SHOULD be that easy answers (e.g. - that is a terrible deal, I'll make a good deal instead") are illusory. Being good citizens requires us to read further, check that link for accuracy before we share, make sure we vote, etc. etc. It's hard work. The alternative is harder.

Read the first paragraph..it's insulting.

Substitute "black" for policeman...

 

[forty_three]

It is so fashionable to blame President Trump for every wrong in America, and he can be a handful — And can he do better? Yes — but the problems we have in America today were not caused by President Trump,” Graham said, adding: “This is just such easy, cheap politics.”

“To General Mattis, I think you’re missing something here, my friend,” Graham said. “You’re missing the fact that the liberal media has taken every event in the last 3½ years and laid it at the president’s feet. I’m not saying he’s blameless, but I am saying that you’re buying into a narrative that I think is quite frankly unfair.”


Nobody is saying Trump is to blame for EVERYTHING wrong with America. He didn't invent the coronavirus. Racial injustice existed LONG before he became President or was even born. But he is the President and , by your own admission, he bears some blame. More importantly, he shows no initiative to take responsibility for that blame, no interest in improving on his faults, and no interest in even reading his daily briefings or learning about the issues he is supposed to be leading on. Criticism from the media is something EVERY PRESIDENT must endure and if he didn't want that he shouldn't have taken the fucking job.

Trump is a symptom. People like Graham, Gaetz, Cruz, Rubio, and TurtleHead McConnell are the disease.

And what Mattis said is dead on. Trump has done nothing to attempt to fix any of it.

 

[forty_three]

^that