Dalton, Unquestionable Leader

[CrashDavisSports]

Bengals' Dalton showing confidence in minicamp

Discuss for Gods sake.

 

[DanBengalfan]

Last year was about a perfect schedule for setting up a new franchise QB, just enough lumps, but not too many, glad he's got his swagga.

 

[flamingrey]

I'm more concerned about his ability to make throw accurate throws in tight windows.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I'm more concerned about his ability to make throw accurate throws in tight windows.

Why exactly?

He had 15 TD's to 0 INT's inside the Red zone. That is as tight of coverage as you can get with the back line forcing everything underneath.

Should be little concern for this, and more for his arm strength and getting Green the ball I would think, even though it sounds like he is a turning a corner there also.

 

[Cincyfan78]

I'm more concerned about his ability to make throw accurate throws in tight windows.

If you watched any of his Redzone throws for TD's, especially the one to Gresham (can't remember which game it was) you wouldn't have too many questions about this. The kid has a good enough arm.

Dalton stepped in and is/was exactly what this team needed. A guy who is willing to step up and lead this team, be vocal, and isn't afraid to be "The" guy to shoulder everything. Palmer was never that guy.

 

[DanBengalfan]

If you watched any of his Redzone throws for TD's, especially the one to Gresham (can't remember which game it was) you wouldn't have too many questions about this. The kid has a good enough arm.

Dalton stepped in and is/was exactly what this team needed. A guy who is willing to step up and lead this team, be vocal, and isn't afraid to be "The" guy to shoulder everything. Palmer was never that guy.

Well, Palmer was that guy... and then there was Kimo

FR never claimed that Dalton was inaccurate, he just stated that he was MORE concerned about his accuracy than his leadership ability. READING COMPREHENSION PEOPLE!!!!

 

[Cincyfan78]

Well, Palmer was that guy... and then there was Kimo

FR never claimed that Dalton was inaccurate, he just stated that he was MORE concerned about his accuracy than his leadership ability. READING COMPREHENSION PEOPLE!!!!

Palmer was never an outspoken leader. Something that was needed. He took on the role of leader in general, reluctantly. I have to disagree with you there. Before Kimo, after Kimo it made no difference.

I got what FR said, I just don't think there needs to be ANY concern with his arm, let alone having that as a concern over other aspects of his game.

Simmer down.

 

[flamingrey]

If you watched any of his Redzone throws for TD's, especially the one to Gresham (can't remember which game it was) you wouldn't have too many questions about this. The kid has a good enough arm.

Dalton stepped in and is/was exactly what this team needed. A guy who is willing to step up and lead this team, be vocal, and isn't afraid to be "The" guy to shoulder everything. Palmer was never that guy.

So one throw makes a player?

Feel free to look up his stats against the better defenses - you know, the ones whose players are always in the right positions making almost EVERY intermediate throw to receivers difficult or at least against double coverage. Oh, and the ones that you actually see in the playoffs. He struggled.

Give me a player who can make every throw against every team, not just the easy teams. Moreover, a player that has talent and can actually play, not just be a vocal leader. The jury is still out...

 

[DanBengalfan]

Palmer was never an outspoken leader. Something that was needed. He took on the role of leader in general, reluctantly. I have to disagree with you there. Before Kimo, after Kimo it made no difference.

I got what FR said, I just don't think there needs to be ANY concern with his arm, let alone having that as a concern over other aspects of his game.

Simmer down.

Simmer down,

 

[Cincyfan78]

So one throw makes a player?

Feel free to look up his stats against the better defenses - you know, the ones whose players are always in the right positions making almost EVERY intermediate throw to receivers difficult or at least against double coverage. Oh, and the ones that you actually see in the playoffs. He struggled.

Give me a player who can make every throw against every team, not just the easy teams. Moreover, a player that has talent and can actually play, not just be a vocal leader. The jury is still out...

Oh, I completely agree. I'm not saying by any stretch that Dalton is alreay a "great" QB, or that he doesn't need to get better. I simply think (my opinion based on what I saw) that his arm strength is more than adaquate to make those "tight window" throws.

No doubt that the offense struggled against better defenses. There is A LOT of room for growth, not only on Dalton's part, but for the entire offense under Gruden. You are right. The jury is still out.

 

[flamingrey]

His arm strength is fine on intermediate throws. He had nice zip on a lot of passes. His arm strength and accuracy on deep throws needs improvement as does his accuracy on intermediate throws in tight windows. To say there doesn't need to be "any concern with his arm" is simply not the case. That is the biggest concern.

 

[ckhokie]

Bengals' Dalton showing confidence in minicamp

Discuss for Gods sake.

Another thread where Crash's Dalton boner is showing.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Another thread where Crash's Dalton boner is showing.

Nope. Just the only article I found online regarding the Bengals that seemed interesting to talk about. I even had to get this article from a month ago.

Unless you want to discuss the various fundaraisers and benefits some players are participating in, or you can listen to Geoff Hobspin talk about things as ridiuculous as AJ Green having to wait until 2030 to probably be eligible for the HOF, or Dalton for that matter and other guys like Peko and Whitworth.

Just nothing out on the Bengals lately.

 

[BigBlueNation111]

I think the kid will be fine.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

So one throw makes a player?

Feel free to look up his stats against the better defenses - you know, the ones whose players are always in the right positions making almost EVERY intermediate throw to receivers difficult or at least against double coverage. Oh, and the ones that you actually see in the playoffs. He struggled.

Give me a player who can make every throw against every team, not just the easy teams. Moreover, a player that has talent and can actually play, not just be a vocal leader. The jury is still out...

Not many damn QB's in the league that can do this, especially Palmer, who used to drive me crazy as F watching him throw behind a receiver, that receiver having to make a great catch behind him and fall down to pull it in. Would have been nice to see more "in stride" throws on intermediate passes to let the reciever get some yards after catch. Dalton seems already better at this than Palmer was in just his rookie year.

Crossing patterns do not seem to be an issue for Dalton.

 

[flamingrey]

Palmer's arm (even injured) blows Dalton's away. Palmer's biggest has always been that he's too cerebral which causes him to make plenty of dumb decisions.

Dalton is a lot better than many QB's have been in their first year, but for the same reason his level of progression won't take the same path as those other QBs.

Dalton is also the man at hitting open receivers, but unfortunately that alone won't cut it in the NFL - maybe in the regular season, but definitely not in the post-season.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Palmer's arm (even injured) blows Dalton's away. Palmer's biggest has always been that he's too cerebral which causes him to make plenty of dumb decisions.

Dalton is a lot better than many QB's have been in their first year, but for the same reason his level of progression won't take the same path as those other QBs.

Dalton is also the man at hitting open receivers, but unfortunately that alone won't cut it in the NFL - maybe in the regular season, but definitely not in the post-season.

I forget what writer I was reading an article from that said he had to go back and check things on Dalton's arm strength from tape and said he counted several passes that went 70 yards in the air. Was the accuracy there? Probably not, but I think 70 yards is plenty good arm strength, along with good zip on intermediate throws.

See the nice thing about Dalton versus Palmer..Dalton hits the open receiver rather than trying to put a ball where it has no business being placed in tight coverage. That leads me to believe that Dalton is more aware of his receivers and where they are on the field than Palmer was.Palmer focused on a couple guys (Chad, TJ) and when they were not there at all, he didn't know what to do. Palmer had to hit tight windows, because he would only throw to Chad or TJ 75% of the time.

 

[flamingrey]

Dalton's questionable arm strength is not unknown around the league. The fact that you're trying to twist it to something its not is hilarious. And the rest of that drivel is revisionist history at its best. I really don't care to argue any further than that.

 

[Cincyfan78]

While Dalton doesn't posses the arm strength that would be required in a spread/vertical attacking offense, his arm strength for the WC and ability to anticipate throws fits perfectly into what is being run now.

The arm issue would be a huge issue if this were Bob B's old offense. It's not. The WC is predicated on anticipation and the ability to read defense and deliver the ball quickly. All of which Dalton was/is able to do.

 

[jwil007]

I rebuke injuries, arrest and confusion for my beloved Bengals and pray for chemistry, cohesion and improved arm strength for Andy in the mighty name of Jesus Christ! AMEN!

Its done! LOL

We're kickin butts in 2012!