Cooley identified McVay and now he's saying

[kbso83432]

Cooley stated that McVay was special many times on his morning show. He stated that despite his age, if he got an interview he would get hired and be a special coach. This was a year and a half before he got the Rams job.

Now he is saying Kyle Smith is a special talent evaluator. I hope the Skins promote him and don't let this guy leave the building. Dump Bruce, Doug, and Manusky and give this guy the keys.

That's the change I want this off-season. Jay can stay but the rest gotta go.

 

[deanpet21]

Cooley stated that McVay was special many times on his morning show. He stated that despite his age, if he got an interview he would get hired and be a special coach. This was a year and a half before he got the Rams job.

Now he is saying Kyle Smith is a special talent evaluator. I hope the Skins promote him and don't let this guy leave the building. Dump Bruce, Doug, and Manusky and give this guy the keys.

That's the change I want this off-season. Jay can stay but the rest gotta go.

There were rumors that Kyle Smith controlled the draft. He will be the next GM and I think Jay stays

 

[kbso83432]

He controls the draft, but Bruce controls trades(alex, haha), and Doug maybe does un-signed FAs(AP). I want Kyle controlling all of that.

 

[j_y19]

He controls the draft, but Bruce controls trades(alex, haha), and Doug maybe does un-signed FAs(AP). I want Kyle controlling all of that.

No worries there. We don't have any money or draft picks to do trades or sign FAs for the next 2 years. Bruce may have finally neutered himself.

 

[Stymietee]

Why on earth would Bruce Allen support this guy? I wonder what team's front office will have him as the new hire next year?

 

[Breed]

He controls the draft, but Bruce controls trades(alex, haha), and Doug maybe does un-signed FAs(AP). I want Kyle controlling all of that.

If Williams truly is responsible for the AP signing. Why would you let him go? I have serious doubts that AP gets 1,000 yards this season as Skins players look to have checked out mentally and physically already. But can you imagine what our record would be w/o AP this year? Give Dwill at least another year, see if he has a talent for finding gems most have overlooked. Or did he just blindly find a nut in AP.

 

[Stymietee]

If Williams truly is responsible for the AP signing. Why would you let him go? I have serious doubts that AP gets 1,000 yards this season as Skins players look to have checked out mentally and physically already. But can you imagine what our record would be w/o AP this year? Give Dwill at least another year, see if he has a talent for finding gems most have overlooked. Or did he just blindly find a nut in AP.

I've always believed that guys who have played the game get focused attention when the question is acquiring talent. Allen's claim to fame is that he is the son of our former HC. Now as to why they wouldn't keep him, well consider the fact that there were reports that Doug didn't get one of these from Allen/Snyder first...

 

[kbso83432]

If Williams truly is responsible for the AP signing. Why would you let him go? I have serious doubts that AP gets 1,000 yards this season as Skins players look to have checked out mentally and physically already. But can you imagine what our record would be w/o AP this year? Give Dwill at least another year, see if he has a talent for finding gems most have overlooked. Or did he just blindly find a nut in AP.

I don't have a problem with Doug other than he can't keep his foot out of his mouth, but I want one voice running the football operations. I don't want Kyle having to run something by Doug, or Doug telling Kyle not to answer his phone. When teams call us I want them to know who to ask for. In this case I trust Kyle and Cooley's opinion of him more than Doug.
When Bethard ran the show, we were a model franchise
It wasn't until Gibbs started to insert himself into the GM duties that things kinda took a little bit of a downturn. Riggs, Desmond Howard, and later Jason Campbell.

Eventually Bethard left and then proceeded to build a team in San Diego that would go to a Superbowl.

Even with Scot, you always felt like Bruce and Dan were lurking.

This team needs one voice and if Cooley says we have a special talent evaluator in the building and he's young, give him a shot.......a real shot to build this thing the right way. Let Lafemina do Bruce's job.

We have the guys IN THE BULIDING to get this thing right. Can Dan see that?

 

[j_y19]

If Williams truly is responsible for the AP signing. Why would you let him go? I have serious doubts that AP gets 1,000 yards this season as Skins players look to have checked out mentally and physically already. But can you imagine what our record would be w/o AP this year? Give Dwill at least another year, see if he has a talent for finding gems most have overlooked. Or did he just blindly find a nut in AP.

Without AP, we would be in the running for the 1st pick next year. That bastard.

 

[Breed]

I don't have a problem with Doug other than he can't keep his foot out of his mouth, but I want one voice running the football operations. I don't want Kyle having to run something by Doug, or Doug telling Kyle not to answer his phone. When teams call us I want them to know who to ask for. In this case I trust Kyle and Cooley's opinion of him more than Doug.
When Bethard ran the show, we were a model franchise
It wasn't until Gibbs started to insert himself into the GM duties that things kinda took a little bit of a downturn. Riggs, Desmond Howard, and later Jason Campbell.

Eventually Bethard left and then proceeded to build a team in San Diego that would go to a Superbowl.

Even with Scot, you always felt like Bruce and Dan were lurking.

This team needs one voice and if Cooley says we have a special talent evaluator in the building and he's young, give him a shot.......a real shot to build this thing the right way. Let Lafemina do Bruce's job.

We have the guys IN THE BULIDING to get this thing right. Can Dan see that?

I'm curious, homey. How old are you? I'm 56 myself. While I don't think you're bashing him per se. I disagree with your opinion far as Gerald Riggs goes and you're wrong about who traded for GR. It was Bobby Beathard and while the price was steep, that year's 2nd and 5th rounder. I can't tell you the names of the draft picks traded for Riggs. I can tell you Riggs was a very effective short yardage RB. A specialist one could say and its a position that has never really been filled by a Skins RB since the days of Terry Allen and Big Country. Back to GR though. He and Ernest Byner were both traded for in 1989, EB straight up for RB Mile Oliphant (member him old head Skins fans) Now GR never ran for a lotta yards or a gaudy ypc for the Skins, hell, I believe he had blew out his knees twice with the Falcons before becoming a Redskin. But whatever negatives one might think they can apply to Riggs Redskin career I say this. 1991. That was the year with Byner as workhorse, Riggs as short yardage specialist, and Ricky Ervins as change of pace, quick hitter, a Charlie Casserly 3rd rd pk in 1991, the Skins put together a damn near perfect RBBC. As a team the Skins ran for over 2000 yards for the season, averaged 30+ carries a game for 128-130 yards a game and scored 21 rushing TDs. The 91 Skins have repeatedly been labeled as the greatest in the last 40 years, possibly ever according to DVOA metrics. 1991 Redskins labeled again as 'Greatest Team Ever'

So you'll have to forgive me if I disagree with your assessment or any negative assessment for that matter on Riggs being a bad trade. Riggs filled an important yet often under-appreciated role on that 91 team as a short yardage first down and TD producer, he had 11 of those 21 rushing TDs that year. I'll gladly give up a 2nd rd and a 5th rd every year for a situational player that plays an important role in winning a SB title everyn 3 years or so.

I said all that to say this. While I can't find the article and I'm not sure where I read it, I think on a Skins insider forum. I distinctly remember an interview with Joe G after he had inked his 2nd go-round as Skins HC. Joe G was asked why he came back to coaching the Skins. While not verbatim JG's answer went something like this.

During my first coaching tenure with the Skins. Bobby Beathard was in charge of what players came to Redskins Park. I was in charge of what players would stay at Redskins Park. I want to be the person who decides what players came to Redskins Park and what players stay at Redskins Park.

Now while BB had already left by 1991, he left in 89, many of the players on that 91 team, including Gerald Riggs, were players that BB brought into Redskins Park. Charlie Casserly took over GM duties in 89 and imo the reason JG didn't mention Casserly. Wasn't because Casserly didn't have control over the players who came to Redskins Park. It ws because JG felt, and rightly so imo, that the lion's share, a significant lion's share of credit, belonged to him and BB. Charley basically rode on BB's coat-tails asmit was BB who assembled that squad.


Found this to verify the 89 trades for GR and EB. REDSKINS TRADE FOR RIGGS, BYNER

If anyone has the link to that JG interview on why he came back a 2nd time. By all means, post it.

I hope this shit coherent. I've smoked a couple drinks already and my head is tight. I shall take my leave now and rest my neck, gentlemen. If its not though. I'll tighten it up later today.

Peace

 

[Breed]

Without AP, we would be in the running for the 1st pick next year. That bastard.

Heh. I did think about that after posting what I did about AP. That might've worked........next year, but fuck it would've been rough and the real bitch is. We probably would've found a way to fuck that off to.

 

[Ojb81]

I'm curious, homey. How old are you? I'm 56 myself. While I don't think you're bashing him per se. I disagree with your opinion far as Gerald Riggs goes and you're wrong about who traded for GR. It was Bobby Beathard and while the price was steep, that year's 2nd and 5th rounder. I can't tell you the names of the draft picks traded for Riggs. I can tell you Riggs was a very effective short yardage RB. A specialist one could say and its a position that has never really been filled by a Skins RB since the days of Terry Allen and Big Country. Back to GR though. He and Ernest Byner were both traded for in 1989, EB straight up for RB Mile Oliphant (member him old head Skins fans) Now GR never ran for a lotta yards or a gaudy ypc for the Skins, hell, I believe he had blew out his knees twice with the Falcons before becoming a Redskin. But whatever negatives one might think they can apply to Riggs Redskin career I say this. 1991. That was the year with Byner as workhorse, Riggs as short yardage specialist, and Ricky Ervins as change of pace, quick hitter, a Charlie Casserly 3rd rd pk in 1991, the Skins put together a damn near perfect RBBC. As a team the Skins ran for over 2000 yards for the season, averaged 30+ carries a game for 128-130 yards a game and scored 21 rushing TDs. The 91 Skins have repeatedly been labeled as the greatest in the last 40 years, possibly ever according to DVOA metrics. 1991 Redskins labeled again as 'Greatest Team Ever'

So you'll have to forgive me if I disagree with your assessment or any negative assessment for that matter on Riggs being a bad trade. Riggs filled an important yet often under-appreciated role on that 91 team as a short yardage first down and TD producer, he had 11 of those 21 rushing TDs that year. I'll gladly give up a 2nd rd and a 5th rd every year for a situational player that plays an important role in winning a SB title everyn 3 years or so.

I said all that to say this. While I can't find the article and I'm not sure where I read it, I think on a Skins insider forum. I distinctly remember an interview with Joe G after he had inked his 2nd go-round as Skins HC. Joe G was asked why he came back to coaching the Skins. While not verbatim JG's answer went something like this.

During my first coaching tenure with the Skins. Bobby Beathard was in charge of what players came to Redskins Park. I was in charge of what players would stay at Redskins Park. I want to be the person who decides what players came to Redskins Park and what players stay at Redskins Park.

Now while BB had already left by 1991, he left in 89, many of the players on that 91 team, including Gerald Riggs, were players that BB brought into Redskins Park. Charlie Casserly took over GM duties in 89 and imo the reason JG didn't mention Casserly. Wasn't because Casserly didn't have control over the players who came to Redskins Park. It ws because JG felt, and rightly so imo, that the lion's share, a significant lion's share of credit, belonged to him and BB. Charley basically rode on BB's coat-tails asmit was BB who assembled that squad.


Found this to verify the 89 trades for GR and EB. REDSKINS TRADE FOR RIGGS, BYNER

If anyone has the link to that JG interview on why he came back a 2nd time. By all means, post it.

I hope this shit coherent. I've smoked a couple drinks already and my head is tight. I shall take my leave now and rest my neck, gentlemen. If its not though. I'll tighten it up later today.

Peace

smoked a couple drinks? it's 7:39 in the morning

 

[j_y19]

smoked a couple drinks? it's 7:39 in the morning

He is a Redskins fan. Its the only way to get by.

 

[Sportster 72]

Mike Oliphant - KR/RB.

You nailed that post breed. Byner was the man, Riggs was the TD/short yardage back and Ervins was latest version of Joe Washington/Kelvin Bryant.

Nailed Beathard and JG also. Beathard brought Gibbs to Washington. He put the team together and Joe decided who made the team. They had great success until they got to the point when BB wanted to replace some of Gibbs old war horses with younger faster players and Joe felt like they were his guys and he could count on them. That is when the divide happened. Gibbs won the battle but not the war.

I love Joe Gibbs, he gave us our greatest era. It is important to note and so glad he went into the HOF that Beathard was a huge part of that. Another guy not mentioned and never gets the credit he is due was Ritchie Petibon. The defense belonged to Ritchie, not Joe.

I was so excited when JG came back but wasn't long before I realized "HOLY crap! He is going to be GM also." Vinny was in name but they were doing what Joe wanted. Love Coach and he gave us two winning seasons and two trips to the playoffs during JG II but his personnel decisions were mostly terrible. Gibbs was a great coach but a crappy GM.

 

[Sportster 72]

smoked a couple drinks? it's 7:39 in the morning

It was 4:39 his time. I was up until 2:00 having a couple of drinks. Maybe breed is a night owl and was getting his little buzz on.

 

[Ojb81]

It was 4:39 his time. I was up until 2:00 having a couple of drinks. Maybe breed is a night owl and was getting his little buzz on.

Well, night owl is one thing. Drinking up until 20 minutes to 5a.m. is a "whole 'nother" discussion

 

[kbso83432]

I'm curious, homey. How old are you? I'm 56 myself. While I don't think you're bashing him per se. I disagree with your opinion far as Gerald Riggs goes and you're wrong about who traded for GR. It was Bobby Beathard and while the price was steep, that year's 2nd and 5th rounder. I can't tell you the names of the draft picks traded for Riggs. I can tell you Riggs was a very effective short yardage RB. A specialist one could say and its a position that has never really been filled by a Skins RB since the days of Terry Allen and Big Country. Back to GR though. He and Ernest Byner were both traded for in 1989, EB straight up for RB Mile Oliphant (member him old head Skins fans) Now GR never ran for a lotta yards or a gaudy ypc for the Skins, hell, I believe he had blew out his knees twice with the Falcons before becoming a Redskin. But whatever negatives one might think they can apply to Riggs Redskin career I say this. 1991. That was the year with Byner as workhorse, Riggs as short yardage specialist, and Ricky Ervins as change of pace, quick hitter, a Charlie Casserly 3rd rd pk in 1991, the Skins put together a damn near perfect RBBC. As a team the Skins ran for over 2000 yards for the season, averaged 30+ carries a game for 128-130 yards a game and scored 21 rushing TDs. The 91 Skins have repeatedly been labeled as the greatest in the last 40 years, possibly ever according to DVOA metrics. 1991 Redskins labeled again as 'Greatest Team Ever'

So you'll have to forgive me if I disagree with your assessment or any negative assessment for that matter on Riggs being a bad trade. Riggs filled an important yet often under-appreciated role on that 91 team as a short yardage first down and TD producer, he had 11 of those 21 rushing TDs that year. I'll gladly give up a 2nd rd and a 5th rd every year for a situational player that plays an important role in winning a SB title everyn 3 years or so.

I said all that to say this. While I can't find the article and I'm not sure where I read it, I think on a Skins insider forum. I distinctly remember an interview with Joe G after he had inked his 2nd go-round as Skins HC. Joe G was asked why he came back to coaching the Skins. While not verbatim JG's answer went something like this.

During my first coaching tenure with the Skins. Bobby Beathard was in charge of what players came to Redskins Park. I was in charge of what players would stay at Redskins Park. I want to be the person who decides what players came to Redskins Park and what players stay at Redskins Park.

Now while BB had already left by 1991, he left in 89, many of the players on that 91 team, including Gerald Riggs, were players that BB brought into Redskins Park. Charlie Casserly took over GM duties in 89 and imo the reason JG didn't mention Casserly. Wasn't because Casserly didn't have control over the players who came to Redskins Park. It ws because JG felt, and rightly so imo, that the lion's share, a significant lion's share of credit, belonged to him and BB. Charley basically rode on BB's coat-tails asmit was BB who assembled that squad.


Found this to verify the 89 trades for GR and EB. REDSKINS TRADE FOR RIGGS, BYNER

If anyone has the link to that JG interview on why he came back a 2nd time. By all means, post it.

I hope this shit coherent. I've smoked a couple drinks already and my head is tight. I shall take my leave now and rest my neck, gentlemen. If its not though. I'll tighten it up later today.

Peace

I'm 43. I was a junior in high school in 91. I remember the 91 season very well. I remember there was talk on the radio, Ken Beatrice?, that Bethard and Gibbs were at odds over the Riggs trade. Bethard felt we didn't need it because of Byner.

Gibbs felt he needed his "big back." Riggs was not brought to D.C. to be some goalline specialist. He was brought here to be the main back. He morphed into that because Byner was so much better.

If Riggs was all that why was Ricky Ervins getting 2nd team carries instead of Riggs. They had to find something for Riggs to do in order to appease Riggs and Gibbs. Thus, 3rd and goal from the one, "Riggs, get in there."

Bethard in name as GM brought in Riggs, but my point is at the time there was a lot of talk that his hand was forced as Gibbs was starting to gain more influence and power in that area. That's why Bethard up and left.

We all know Shanahan drafted Cousins, but wanted no part of RG3. From all reports Jay demanded the Skins take Ioannidis. Which was a good pick. I just want one voice over this franchise that is not Bruce's and see how things go. I don't want Jay or Bruce picking the next QB, because they may be picking a QB for the style of play they want to have, and then end up not the coach or GM 12 months from now. It's a clown show right now.

You don't go trade for a goalline specialist. Byner was supposed to be the change of pace back. Ervins emerged as the season went on.

 

[kbso83432]

BEATHARD TO RESIGN AS REDSKINS' GENERAL MANAGER - The Washington Post
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