Conspiracy Therorists unite!!!

[Stymietee]

Questions:

1. If your starting left tackle is not playing and your starting QB is being abused in the preseason, what motivations can you think of that justifies your HC in continuing to play his starting QB?

2. Leaving Griffin in that game was borderline criminal. He needs the reps, sure, but at what cost?

3. True or false: After Griffin went out, Colt McCoy came in and drove the Redskins down the field two straight times, once for a touchdown, in drives that featured rollouts, play action and short passes on three-step drops. (Granted, this came against a second-string Lions defense rather than many of the starters Griffin face.) But it’s almost as if Gruden and McVay want RG3 to fail (not get hurt, obviously) so they don’t have to play him.

4. How do you judge a pocket performance when there was no pocket on 6 out of the 8 plays where pass was called.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I very much wanted to see Griffin get more passing reps from the pocket.

But you need a pocket.

Pass protection was non existent and why was Willie Smith out there that long? That I do NOT understand.

Why do you not put Tom Compton in at minimum?

Or change the game plan for Griffin once it was obvious the Oline was completely out of its depth.

 

[skinsdad62]

first off people this is preseason . you are going to change your game plan . to all those people who say "he needs more reps then his peers" this is why you dont give them to him . you have a BU LT in there

it was right to play Rg3 last night and for about as long as he did . RG3 on 2nd look reverted back to his old self on a couple of plays . you cant protect him vs miami and cameron wake and suh

the 1st team offense was not prepared to play football last night . that is a coaching issue

 

[Caliskinsfan]

My stance hasn't changed on Griffin needing more reps.

But I'm no longer interested in seeing him develop his 'pocket passing' skills at this point.

Those skills are going to get him killed if our young Oline (back up LT) doesn't first.

 

[Iggloo]

On the conspiracy theory front, I wondered about the players, not the HC. Do they not like blocking for this guy? Were THEY trying to get him killed?

Either way, shocking lack of effort and ability when you think this was preseason and vanilla looks from the defense.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I simply don't believe it was a player conspiracy. They are looking to earn their roster spots, regardless of who the QB is.

But yes, terrible outing for the 1s.

 

[Iggloo]

I don't either--their jobs are on the line too--but it makes as little sense as claiming Gruden is trying to kill his QB.

 

[skinsdad62]

conspiracy stuff is for extreme right wing loons toting ar-15's waiting for the Apocalypse

if the HC wanted a new qb all you do is declare an open competition

snyder didnt hire SM to be his puppet BITCH . he hired him to fix the team that is a train wreck mixed in with a terrorist attack

SM is looking at what he has in Rg3 so he can make his next move . there isnt anything wrong with that

we as fans have seen this song before and we know how it turns out but new people need to see for themselves

there is only one thing gruden can do now and win and that is to go back to the pistol, and read option plays about 1/4 of the time (which is more then year one by the way ) and get Rg3 into situations he can make plays in / play action and boots would be nice and stop having him glued to the pocket

this pocket passing thing is becoming godzilla and it weighs on the kids mind too much and the teams

if he gets hurt so be it , you go draft a qb that fits your offense in 2016 and stop all the gosh darn intrigues

 

[Caliskinsfan]

there is only one thing gruden can do now and win and that is to go back to the pistol, and read option plays about 1/4 of the time (which is more then year one by the way ) and get Rg3 into situations he can make plays in / play action and boots would be nice and stop having him glued to the pocket

Agreed. The pocket passer is never going to be Griffin.

 

[deanpet21]

Well that is Jay Gruden's offense, being a pocket passer. IF Rg3 is not a pocket passer then you my as well put in Cousins. We will have a better chance of winning with a QB who understand how to be a pocket passer. Gruden is not going to change his offense for RG3. RG3 will start and play the 3rd pre-season game. If he stinks again and cant move the offense. What happens?

 

[Breed]

Well that is Jay Gruden's offense, being a pocket passer. IF Rg3 is not a pocket passer then you my as well put in Cousins. We will have a better chance of winning with a QB who understand how to be a pocket passer. Gruden is not going to change his offense for RG3. RG3 will start and play the 3rd pre-season game. If he stinks again and cant move the offense. What happens?

You're forgetting about the possible fly in the ointment. Its very likely that its Snyder, not Gruden, calling the shots far as whether Griffin is the starter. If that is the case, Gruden's hands are tied.

 

[skinsdad62]

he could very well be calling the shot but if he is i doubt SM sticks around for too much of that shit . i am more inclined to get away from the CSI BS and believe that SM simply wants to give Rg3 a fair shot and see what he has

 

[skinsdad62]

of course this completely contradicts what i believe but i had to put it out here

 

[Stymietee]

Is anyone paying attention? RgIII is the starter on this team and I 100% believe that the decision to make him the starter did not, to be kind, garner Gruden's full stamp of approval. So he plays, until those same decision makers are convinced that he can't, or are ready to find a HC who is equally convinced that he can play. The biggest problem that this team has is not Griffin but knowing that they are in the first year of a rebuild.

 

[JonBlaze]

You're forgetting about the possible fly in the ointment. Its very likely that its Snyder, not Gruden, calling the shots far as whether Griffin is the starter. If that is the case, Gruden's hands are tied.

I thought we were done blaming Snyder for everything Breed? If Snyder was calling the shots to keep RG3 in there, why would RG3 have gotten benched last year? The answer is, he wouldn't have. Unless you really want to believe Snyder picked up the bat phone and called down and ordered Gruden to put in Colt McCoy.....

 

[Breed]

i am more inclined to get away from the CSI BS and believe that SM simply wants to give Rg3 a fair shot and see what he has

Plausible.

I thought we were done blaming Snyder for everything Breed? If Snyder was calling the shots to keep RG3 in there, why would RG3 have gotten benched last year? The answer is, he wouldn't have. Unless you really want to believe Snyder picked up the bat phone and called down and ordered Gruden to put in Colt McCoy.....

I don't know what to believe anymore except what I see when it comes to the Redskins. And from what I see, Griffin's play, when he's not layed up due to injury. Has barely equated to hot dog-shit since he injured himself the first time in the Skins/Hawks playoff game back in late 2012/beginning of 2013.

I guess I'm just more fed up with this Redskin version of futility and incompetence than I've usually been in the last 20 years. A lotta that has to do with Griffin. I don't like his ass and while I didn't wanna root for him, I would've cuz he's a Redskin. But this nonsense that he's the best option of the QBs the Skins have for success and that's why he's getting chance after chance after chance, is just that, nonsense. At least in a system that calls for a pocket passing adequate QB. So as I see it, the Skins can do one of two things. Either get rid of Griffin. Or get rid of Gruden and bring in a HC who runs a read option system. Trouble with that last option is that Griffin wants to be Peyton Manning. Unfortunately, simply wanting to be something/someone and actually being that something/someone is two very different things. So, lets cut bait with Griffin and get on with the newest version of Redskins futility and incompetence is how I feel.

 

[j_y19]

Plausible.



I don't know what to believe anymore except what I see when it comes to the Redskins. And from what I see, Griffin's play, when he's not layed up due to injury. Has barely equated to hot dog-shit since he injured himself the first time in the Skins/Hawks playoff game back in late 2012/beginning of 2013.

I guess I'm just more fed up with this Redskin version of futility and incompetence than I've usually been in the last 20 years. A lotta that has to do with Griffin. I don't like his ass and while I didn't wanna root for him, I would've cuz he's a Redskin. But this nonsense that he's the best option of the QBs the Skins have for success and that's why he's getting chance after chance after chance, is just that, nonsense. At least in a system that calls for a pocket passing adequate QB. So as I see it, the Skins can do one of two things. Either get rid of Griffin. Or get rid of Gruden and bring in a HC who runs a read option system. Trouble with that last option is that Griffin wants to be Peyton Manning. Unfortunately, simply wanting to be something/someone and actually being that something/someone is two very different things. So, lets cut bait with Griffin and get on with the newest version of Redskins futility and incompetence is how I feel.

We don't have to get rid of Griffin. Griffin is going to get rid of himself. The guy is a human piñata. He cant avoid a hit. He has no sense of how to protect himself. Between those two issues, he will never play a full season.

Oh, one more thing. Is he the worst fumbler we have ever had?

 

[skinsdad62]

We don't have to get rid of Griffin. Griffin is going to get rid of himself. The guy is a human piñata. He cant avoid a hit. He has no sense of how to protect himself. Between those two issues, he will never play a full season.

Oh, one more thing. Is he the worst fumbler we have ever had?

well again i am in support mode and we wont find out until a few regular season games are played . preseason is weird and you really cant tell much . you try to knock off rust mostly

 

[Breed]

We don't have to get rid of Griffin. Griffin is going to get rid of himself. The guy is a human piñata. He cant avoid a hit. He has no sense of how to protect himself. Between those two issues, he will never play a full season.

Oh, one more thing. Is he the worst fumbler we have ever had?

I'm cool with that far as Griffin getting rid of Griffin.

Far as the fumbling issue. I used to think Rex was bad at it and he was. In 58 games he had 32 fumbles with 19 recovered by the opposing team. Griffin's on another level of suckitude all his own far as fumbling goes. In only 37 games, he's already fumbled 32 times losing 10 of em. I don't know if he's the worst fumbler the Skins have ever had. He's by far the worst I've seen for the Skins and any other team I can recall in my going on 43 years of NFL fandom.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

this will be scott m last year with the skins book it he wil queit and go to contender team