Consensus All-Time Giants Team

[LHG]

Beck was kind of a unicorn in that he did as well and at times better against Lefty Hitters so would be as or more valuable as others on this list.

Beck was just good when he was on top of his game. His career fell apart after he left the Giants.

My all-time list really illustrates how important bullpens have been only for the past 40 or so years. I've seen all but Linzy, Grissom and Minton pitch. Minton was during my lifetime but I got into baseball about the time he was finishing his career (1990). Wilhelm, Grissom, Moffitt, Heaverlo and Linzy were more of the trailblazers toward a modern day bullpen.

 

[pachyderm]

I love The Thrill but his best seasons, and his career, just don't stack up against Connor.
Clark played a total of 15 seasons and finished with a career OPS+ of 137. Connor played a total of 18 seasons and finished with a career OPS+ of 153.
Clark's career slash line is .303/.384/.497. Connor's career slash line is .316/.397/.486.
Connor has more doubles (441 vs 440), more triples (233 vs 47), more hits (2,467 vs 2,176), more runs (1,620 vs 1,186), more RBIs (1,323 vs 1,205), more walks (1,002 vs 937) and fewer strikeouts (455 vs 1,190). Only in the home run department does Clark trump Connor (284 vs 133). And in case you want to argue that Connor's counting stats are higher due to 3 additional years, consider that, in Connor's era, fewer games were played in a big league season. Connor played a total of 1,998 games versus Clark's 1,976 games.
They are comparable but Connor gets the edge, especially since he played more seasons with the Gothams/Giants than Clark did (13 for Connor, 8 for Clark).

kudos on your research by the way!

 

[pachyderm]

Beck was just good when he was on top of his game. His career fell apart after he left the Giants.

My all-time list really illustrates how important bullpens have been only for the past 40 or so years. I've seen all but Linzy, Grissom and Minton pitch. Minton was during my lifetime but I got into baseball about the time he was finishing his career (1990). Wilhelm, Grissom, Moffitt, Heaverlo and Linzy were more of the trailblazers toward a modern day bullpen.

Those names bring back memories... of some really mediocre Giant teams...

 

[LHG]

Those names bring back memories... of some really mediocre Giant teams...

On some teams, those guys were probably the best players.

 

[Mays-Fan]

Connor has the pre-1900 stink on him, though. The game was so different in the early years. It realy is hard to make comparisons, and imho, looking at stats is almost pointless.

Makes me wonder what would an analysis like this 100 or 200 years from now would consider. That is, if a certain Event or other events didn't transpire by then.

"That Mays guy played over 200 years ago. Imagine what kind of numbers he'd have if he was hooked up to NeuralNet and the latest cryobiology! He'd probably have over 2500 home runs, and still be in his prime!"

 

[calsnowskier]

Makes me wonder what would an analysis like this 100 or 200 years from now would consider. That is, if a certain Event or other events didn't transpire by then.

"That Mays guy played over 200 years ago. Imagine what kind of numbers he'd have if he was hooked up to NeuralNet and the latest cryobiology! He'd probably have over 2500 home runs, and still be in his prime!"

I doubt pro sports have much of a lifespan left in them. At least not the sports that exist today. I suspect each of the leagues has more years behind them at this point than in front of them.

In Star Trek, for example, the MLB folded in the 2040s (2042, to be exact, iirc).

 

[LHG]

I doubt pro sports have much of a lifespan left in them. At least not the sports that exist today. I suspect each of the leagues has more years behind them at this point than in front of them.

In Star Trek, for example, the MLB folded in the 2040s (2042, to be exact, iirc).

If I remember correctly, their timeline would have the greatest hitter of all time playing to empty crowds in London right around now. Of course, the Star Trek timeline also had a devastating global war waged by super humans in the 1990s. I could never figure out how MLB lasted past that global event.

 

[pachyderm]

I doubt pro sports have much of a lifespan left in them. At least not the sports that exist today. I suspect each of the leagues has more years behind them at this point than in front of them.

In Star Trek, for example, the MLB folded in the 2040s (2042, to be exact, iirc).

lol. nerd....

Spoiler

Just kidding I too like The Trek in most forms...

 

[Mays-Fan]

I doubt pro sports have much of a lifespan left in them. At least not the sports that exist today. I suspect each of the leagues has more years behind them at this point than in front of them.

In Star Trek, for example, the MLB folded in the 2040s (2042, to be exact, iirc).

Feb 15, 2041: Giants announce signing Khan Noonien Singh to a 25-year, 12 quadrillion quatloo contract:

 

[LHG]

Feb 15, 2041: Giants announce signing Khan Noonien Singh to a 25-year, 12 quadrillion quatloo contract:

He was the prototype for Nick Lowery . . . by Nick Lowery.

 

[Mays-Fan]

He was the prototype for Nick Lowery . . . by Nick Lowery.

Love to hear Kuip's home run call for him:

"Hits it hiiiiigh, hits it deeeep, KHAAAAAAANNNNNN!"

 

[calsnowskier]

If I remember correctly, their timeline would have the greatest hitter of all time playing to empty crowds in London right around now. Of course, the Star Trek timeline also had a devastating global war waged by super humans in the 1990s. I could never figure out how MLB lasted past that global event.

Casting Mr Wu as Buck Bokai was such a jarringly bad job of casting, it was hard for me to really get into that arc.

 

[LHG]

Casting Mr Wu as Buck Bokai was such a jarringly bad job of casting, it was hard for me to really get into that arc.

Well, he was supposed to be the Babe Ruth of the 21st century.

 

[calsnowskier]

Well, he was supposed to be the Babe Ruth of the 21st century.

The episode wasn’t made in the ‘30s. It was made in the ‘90s. The stars of the game were Canseco, Griffey, Greenwell and Sierra. These were athletes. Not the drunk, out of shape bombers of the ‘20s.

 

[LHG]

The episode wasn’t made in the ‘30s. It was made in the ‘90s. The stars of the game were Canseco, Griffey, Greenwell and Sierra. These were athletes. Not the drunk, out of shape bombers of the ‘20s.

Maybe they were going for a mirror image of the ascent of baseball? It starts its glory days with a rotund slugger and played its swan song with a rotund slugger?

But yes, it was cringe to me when I first saw that episode as well. It was cool that they incorporated baseball but it could have been done so much better.

 

[Mays-Fan]

I doubt pro sports have much of a lifespan left in them. At least not the sports that exist today. I suspect each of the leagues has more years behind them at this point than in front of them.

In Star Trek, for example, the MLB folded in the 2040s (2042, to be exact, iirc).

Certainly women's sports are all on Death Row.

 

[calsnowskier]

Certainly women's sports are all on Death Row.

Beach volleyball does not get half the attention it deserves.

And seriously, women’s tennis is competitive. Sure, they can’t compete with the men (even Serena has stated that she would not be able to compete on the men’s circuit), but watching women play is at least equivalent to watching men play (imho, though I don’t personally watch either).

 

[Mays-Fan]

Beach volleyball does not get half the attention it deserves.

And seriously, women’s tennis is competitive. Sure, they can’t compete with the men (even Serena has stated that she would not be able to compete on the men’s circuit), but watching women play is at least equivalent to watching men play (imho, though I don’t personally watch either).

That's fine, as long as women are competing against real women.

 

[calsnowskier]

That's fine, as long as women are competing against real women.

Or in Serena’s case, a horse competing against real women…

 

[Mays-Fan]

Or in Serena’s case, a horse competing against real women…

We all know she's on your "fantasy" team...