Commission on College Basketball Report

[jonvi]

NCAA-Formed CBB Commission: End 1-and-Done, Give Lifetime Bans to Cheaters

The Commission on College Basketball is calling for the NCAA to make sweeping reforms to the way it handles corruption in the sport.

According to the Associated Press (via ESPN.com), the Condoleezza Rice-led commission wants to replace show-cause penalties against coaches in extreme instances of cheating with lifetime bans.

The commission also wants to change the way the NBA draft is handled. Rice said, "One-and-done has to go one way or another."

On the heels of the commission's releasing a 60-page report, Rice is scheduled to meet with the NCAA's Board of Governors and Division I Board of Directors on Wednesday.

The commission recommended the NCAA allow outside entities to make those decisions for the most serious cases of cheating.

It also called for Level I violations to be punishable by a postseason ban of up to five years rather than one and for coaches to receive suspensions of up to one year.

A call was also made for the NBA to get rid of the age restriction for its draft. If that doesn't happen, the commission said it would consider other options, including making freshmen ineligible.

Players who go undrafted are barred from returning to college basketball, but the commission wants to change that rule, provided the player returns to the same school.

One thing Rice's group doesn't want to do is pay athletes to play college basketball.

Although there is seemingly growing support for college players to be compensated, the commission wrote, "The goal should not be to turn college basketball into another professional league."


Any thoughts on this? I have no problem with everything the Rice team has recommended.

 

[UKnation87]

I like where they're going with this.

Obviously we would need to see tremendous details around what would cause a life long ban for coaches but outside of that, I think they're on the right track.

It's really just common sense kind of stuff.

 

[douggie]

Lifetime bans for cheating and an end to OAD's? Did they even mention Adidas or hookers?

 

[jontaejones]

By far, the best thing for college basketball AND the NBA is to adopt NFL rules. A player is eligible for the draft three years out from high school. To me, it's ironic those rules are in place for the NFL and not NBA, because football IMHO is the more physical/less mental game.

College basketball would win on every level. The quality would be better, it would be more popular, and teams would have a lot more continuity.

NBA would win on most levels. The quality of the game would improve (slightly) as bench players would have more experience and rookies could step in right away and bring excitement to morbid franchises. NBA fans would watch college ball to check out the incoming 'developed' as opposed to some kid who played 3 games and made a third of his shots but is still a Top 5 pick.

In terms of players being able to return to college after the draft, I think it's a good idea in theory, but don't think it will have much impact because it's the mentality of the kids that has changed. A lot of undrafted players will still not return to school. They do not want to be in college. College basketball has lost its lustre for most kids. In addition, it would screw up the recruiting cycle.

 

[douggie]

Looks like we endure at least two more years of the OAD's

NBA one-and-done rule change reportedly won't happen until 2020 at the earliest

 

[The Q]

By far, the best thing for college basketball AND the NBA is to adopt NFL rules. A player is eligible for the draft three years out from high school. To me, it's ironic those rules are in place for the NFL and not NBA, because football IMHO is the more physical/less mental game.

College basketball would win on every level. The quality would be better, it would be more popular, and teams would have a lot more continuity.

NBA would win on most levels. The quality of the game would improve (slightly) as bench players would have more experience and rookies could step in right away and bring excitement to morbid franchises. NBA fans would watch college ball to check out the incoming 'developed' as opposed to some kid who played 3 games and made a third of his shots but is still a Top 5 pick.

In terms of players being able to return to college after the draft, I think it's a good idea in theory, but don't think it will have much impact because it's the mentality of the kids that has changed. A lot of undrafted players will still not return to school. They do not want to be in college. College basketball has lost its lustre for most kids. In addition, it would screw up the recruiting cycle.

This is just so wrong though.

how about we give a shit about the kids?

the easiest solution against actually paying players is to let them make money off their likenesses. Today.

There's no reason a kid shouldn't be able to make money from a non-sport related talent (think Jeremy Bloom) or having a huge social media account (think UCF kicker).

Kids can still make money.

Also, any stuff you give them, is theirs and they should be free to do what they want with it.

The one and done was a stupid rule at the time, it's still dumb now.

Let the kids go pro if they want. It's their life. Let them deal with the consequences.

Everyone is better off with a real NBA minor league program.

 

[tducey]

Agree with getting rid of the 1-and done rule. Never agreed with that rule at all.

 

[Deep Creek]

At some point there is going to have to be consistency with other students and athletes in different sports.

At some point, they are going to have to let "SOME" players earn money for what they do. A student on a full music scholarship can get gigs at the local clubs for money...in ADDITION to his scholarship. Same for a kid on an academic scholarship getting a paid internship to write for the local newspaper.

I'm not talking about players becoming "employees" of the university per se. But if they can earn some coin off what they do, let 'em.

Hell, right now athletes in the Olympic Sports can make up to a certain amount and still retain their amatuer status. Not so in the other ones.

 

[jontaejones]

This is just so wrong though.

how about we give a shit about the kids?

the easiest solution against actually paying players is to let them make money off their likenesses. Today.

There's no reason a kid shouldn't be able to make money from a non-sport related talent (think Jeremy Bloom) or having a huge social media account (think UCF kicker).

Kids can still make money.

Also, any stuff you give them, is theirs and they should be free to do what they want with it.

The one and done was a stupid rule at the time, it's still dumb now.

Let the kids go pro if they want. It's their life. Let them deal with the consequences.

Everyone is better off with a real NBA minor league program.

They are getting paid. They're getting free tuition, free athletic trainers, and a bunch of other stuff.

Also, they can make $. They just cannot make it in the NBA. That would be an NBA rule, similar to NFL rule. So if they wanted to go to Europe, join the Globetrotters, they could do that. I don't hear kids complaining why the fuck do I have to play for Alabama and Nick Saban for two years, after redshirting a year. Why's that? Because it's seen as the process. It's part of learning to play winning ball.

At this point, it's not all about the $. A lot of kids are jumping ship because they just don't want to be in school. A lot of these kids are from the suburbs now or have dads who are former pros and are better off than a lot of people.

The allure of being a D-I basketball player has worn off. And the process of prep-to-pros and one-and-done has done it.

 

[The Q]

They are getting paid. They're getting free tuition, free athletic trainers, and a bunch of other stuff.

Also, they can make $. They just cannot make it in the NBA. That would be an NBA rule, similar to NFL rule. So if they wanted to go to Europe, join the Globetrotters, they could do that. I don't hear kids complaining why the fuck do I have to play for Alabama and Nick Saban for two years, after redshirting a year. Why's that? Because it's seen as the process. It's part of learning to play winning ball.

At this point, it's not all about the $. A lot of kids are jumping ship because they just don't want to be in school. A lot of these kids are from the suburbs now or have dads who are former pros and are better off than a lot of people.

The allure of being a D-I basketball player has worn off. And the process of prep-to-pros and one-and-done has done it.

Kids have been leaving early for decades now.

The other thing is kids seem to be getting better.

There are just more kids who can make it in the nba after one year than there was 15 or 20 years ago.

Also, the physicality of the NFL means 3 years makes sense from a safety perspective. Basically all kids need 3 years of elite S&C help to survive the NFL.

 

[The Q]

They are getting paid. They're getting free tuition, free athletic trainers, and a bunch of other stuff.

Also, they can make $. They just cannot make it in the NBA. That would be an NBA rule, similar to NFL rule. So if they wanted to go to Europe, join the Globetrotters, they could do that. I don't hear kids complaining why the fuck do I have to play for Alabama and Nick Saban for two years, after redshirting a year. Why's that? Because it's seen as the process. It's part of learning to play winning ball.

At this point, it's not all about the $. A lot of kids are jumping ship because they just don't want to be in school. A lot of these kids are from the suburbs now or have dads who are former pros and are better off than a lot of people.

The allure of being a D-I basketball player has worn off. And the process of prep-to-pros and one-and-done has done it.

There's literally not one good reason kids can't make side money or make money off their own personal likeness or brand. Or even not be allowed to sell the free shit they are given (although this one is more football and bowl games).

 

[jontaejones]

Kids have been leaving early for decades now.

The other thing is kids seem to be getting better.

There are just more kids who can make it in the nba after one year than there was 15 or 20 years ago.

Also, the physicality of the NFL means 3 years makes sense from a safety perspective. Basically all kids need 3 years of elite S&C help to survive the NFL.

Nah. It's really only been in the past 10-15 years.

Even Allen Iverson stayed 2 years in school when there were no rules. Allen Iverson...

In one sense, I miss NCAAB the way it used to be. OTOH, Villanova never could have won under those rules. So, it's a wash I suppose.

As far as prep to pros versus OAD, I don't have a strong preference. With prep to pros, you'd still have guys leaving after 1 year. Someone mentioned the idea of leave after HS or stay 2 years. That sounds decent.

 

[Deep Creek]

There's literally not one good reason kids can't make side money or make money off their own personal likeness or brand. Or even not be allowed to sell the free shit they are given (although this one is more football and bowl games).

Yeah, I said on another thread that if a kid on a full music scholarship can make money playing a few gigs on the side, why can't an athlete make some money from his athletic talent. Not full university employment money, but some.