Cole hits 100 again, throws 93 mph changup

[steelparrot]

oh yeah, the slider and curve still in progress

But, can you beat a 93 mph changeups

 

[bone3421]

in my honest opinion i am not sure a 93 mph change up is that good.....once hitters figure out his stuff it will just be another fastball in their eyes......

if he could throw about 96-98 and drop the change up to around 88 with a curve/slider then that could be dominant

but a 93 change with a 98/99 fastball will get crushed if thats all he has got after awhile......

 

[Chef99]

Are they still talking about sending him down when Burnett comes back?

 

[thecrow124]

Are they still talking about sending him down when Burnett comes back?

I certainly hope so, he is pitching decently, but needs to figure out how to strike good hitters out to get out of jams. He should have limited the Brewers to 1 run in the first last night, instead they scored three.

 

[steelparrot]

Not a problem for a while, Wandy got shut down


I have this sinking feeling he is going to have tommy john surgery and then pick up his player option, that would really suck.

 

[sychmd]

cole has stuff, and good control.
he now needs to learn how to pitch and needs someone to show him how to pitch high and very tight with hte heat and away with the offspeed.

a 98-100 FB
93 slider
great pitches to start with.
a changup needs to be more in the mid to high 80's

his stuff is so above what others have, but if he throws everything down the middle at the knee to thigh, everybody digs in and takes their licks nad he provides some of the power they just need to change the direction.

the problem with sending him down - the AAA pitching coach doesnt seem to be able to teach him how to work the hitters and not just pitch to contact when he needs to doominate at specific times.

 

[thecrow124]

Not a problem for a while, Wandy got shut down


I have this sinking feeling he is going to have tommy john surgery and then pick up his player option, that would really suck.

Pirates should have insurance on him, so it wouldn't matter in the long run. Insurance would cover his salary for time missed due to injury.

 

[thecrow124]

cole has stuff, and good control.
he now needs to learn how to pitch and needs someone to show him how to pitch high and very tight with hte heat and away with the offspeed.

a 98-100 FB
93 slider
great pitches to start with.
a changup needs to be more in the mid to high 80's

his stuff is so above what others have, but if he throws everything down the middle at the knee to thigh, everybody digs in and takes their licks nad he provides some of the power they just need to change the direction.

the problem with sending him down - the AAA pitching coach doesnt seem to be able to teach him how to work the hitters and not just pitch to contact when he needs to doominate at specific times.

Searage doesn't seem to be fixing the problem either. He was starting to figure some stuff out in Indy before he was called up, but since he has been up, he seems to continually just throw fastballs. Not that that is bad, he is still on his first rotation through the league, I would just like to see more offspeed pitches in fastball counts so that hitters don't continue to hit his fastball because it is what they expect.

 

[pixburgher66]

in my honest opinion i am not sure a 93 mph change up is that good.....once hitters figure out his stuff it will just be another fastball in their eyes......

if he could throw about 96-98 and drop the change up to around 88 with a curve/slider then that could be dominant

but a 93 change with a 98/99 fastball will get crushed if thats all he has got after awhile......

He can hit 101 with his fastball...so, when guys are gearing up for a fastball around 98+mph, a change up in the lower 90's is pretty good. It also helps when that 93mph pitch following a 100mph fastball acts like a breaking ball. He's got great stuff. He's shown flashes of dominance, but not straight dominant. Not many people come in at 20 and dominate.

 

[element1286]

in my honest opinion i am not sure a 93 mph change up is that good.....once hitters figure out his stuff it will just be another fastball in their eyes......

if he could throw about 96-98 and drop the change up to around 88 with a curve/slider then that could be dominant

but a 93 change with a 98/99 fastball will get crushed if thats all he has got after awhile......

If you are referring to a 5 mph spread between fastball and change, I agree.

If you are saying that a 93 mph change isn't good no matter the fastball speed, that makes no sense. It's a change up cause the arm action and difference in speed.

 

[#1BostonFan]

Maybe like a 89 MPH change up. 93 seems too fast.

 

[element1286]

Also, are we sure it was a change and not some sort of cut fastball.

Pitchfx says they were cut fastballs, with his change up being 84-88. No idea, could be and explanation. Or maybe a flat slider?

 

[steelparrot]

I was hammered last night, I dont even remember posting this actually , I do remember them saying it was change on BB2N.

I just thought a 93mph changeup was funny , I bet it was a flat slider now that I think about it.

 

[Darkstone42]

I just assumed it was a 2-seamer or sinker. It had that kind of tail on it.

 

[Etrius24]

wait... What... Wandy got shut down..... ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

ugh

Here I was counting the days until he came back...

Tough Break...

 

[bone3421]

If you are referring to a 5 mph spread between fastball and change, I agree.

If you are saying that a 93 mph change isn't good no matter the fastball speed, that makes no sense. It's a change up cause the arm action and difference in speed.

yeah the first part.....