.... Charlie Strong, you face.

[Texas Jefe]

hate it when OC's get pass happy. Want to run their 'plays'. Get lost in the 'plays' and lose the feel of the game. Makes me crazy(-er).

 

[Texas Jefe]

'cause I'm one crazy dawg

 

[Hornsstampede2.0]

Texas had the ball with a 2 or more touchdown lead 3 times in the 4th quarter inside the 12 minute mark. All were in plus territory.
WVU 49, WVU 38, WVU 26

Three closeout drives took a combined (WTF??) 4 minutes off the clock, did not move the ball, and did not score a single offensive point on those drives. Not once did WVU call a timeout.

It was due to 5 incomplete passes PLUS one interception.
That is the exact opposite way to close out games.
Especially versus a team like WVU who is putrid versus the run.

Texas was averaging 6.1 yards per carry.
Yet, suddenly they got West Coast Offense pass happy in the 4th quarter.

There is no way to spin that other than pure stupidity.
Texas defensive players won the game despite the best efforts of the offensive coaches.

 

[ElTexan]

Texas had the ball with a 2 or more touchdown lead 3 times in the 4th quarter inside the 12 minute mark. All were in plus territory.
WVU 49, WVU 38, WVU 26

Three closeout drives took a combined (WTF??) 4 minutes off the clock, did not move the ball, and did not score a single offensive point on those drives. Not once did WVU call a timeout.

It was due to 5 incomplete passes PLUS one interception.
That is the exact opposite way to close out games.
Especially versus a team like WVU who is putrid versus the run.

Texas was averaging 6.1 yards per carry.
Yet, suddenly they got West Coast Offense pass happy in the 4th quarter.

There is no way to spin that other than pure stupidity.
Texas defensive players won the game despite the best efforts of the offensive coaches.

 

[Codaxx]

Desperation throws on third and long up two scores with 6 minutes left is never an answer. Getting that particular first fown is no where close to that important

I don't think you appreciate how much clock stoppage is in CFB. 5 minutes or 5:35 is not a big deal. Getting a first down is far more important than 30 seconds of clock. A first down gives you 3 more plays at a minimum to run clock. I have no idea why you think it is better to punt with 5 minutes to go, rather than with 3:30 on the click. Perhaps you should rethink your stance that a first down is not important

 

[ElTexan]

I don't think you appreciate how much clock stoppage is in CFB. 5 minutes or 5:35 is not a big deal. Getting a first down is far more important than 30 seconds of clock. A first down gives you 3 more plays at a minimum to run clock. I have no idea why you think it is better to punt with 5 minutes to go, rather than with 3:30 on the click. Perhaps you should rethink your stance that a first down is not important

The odds of forcing a desperation throw on 3rd and long for a first down and risking an int pale in comparison to the merits of being safe with the ball and punting deep to a team that hasnt scored squat against your bad ass defense while up by 16 and only 5 minutes left.

 

[Codaxx]

The odds of forcing a desperation throw on 3rd and long for a first down and risking an int pale in comparison to the merits of being safe with the ball and punting deep to a team that hasnt scored squat against your bad ass defense while up by 16 and only 5 minutes left.

What are the odds of an Int? Swoopes' int rate is around 2% this year. I think you are reaching. Last 2 possessions went run, run, pass, punt and 1 run for a TD. I just do not see how a sane person can call that reckless and pass happy.

 

[ElTexan]

Told you to look at possession before. You already know this. Yet you post the final possession that in not referencing.

 

[Rolltide94]

Charlie Strong should not need teaching moments. It's straight logic and clock management 101.

Swoopes' actions might be understandable by your measure but not forgivable.

Charlie Strong and Watson's actions are unforgivable and beyond any understanding. Completely ridiculous.

You are right...they should both be fired...you shouldn't have even let them back on the bus.

Get Joe Jamail on the phone and get that shit taken care of.

 

[Codaxx]

Told you to look at possession before. You already know this. Yet you post the final possession that in not referencing.

You mean the one with over 8 minutes to go? Started out with a run also. Lost yards and then they passed on 2nd and 3rd and long. Hardly pass happy and playing to drain the clock with over 8 minutes to go is just wrong, especially against a loaded box and pressing man to man defense outside.

 

[Hornsstampede2.0]

That last possession does not really apply. That was complete garbage time after the defense finally ended the unnecessary drama. Even Texas could not screw that up. WVU just let him score as the game was over after their failed 4th down.


The possessions before that were the ones that made no sense.
Two pass plays with a 16 pt lead and the ball at the 25 yard line under 8 minutes to go??


Texas was averaging 6.1 yards per run, while having missed 13 consecutive pass attempts in the 2nd half. Even the WVU fans were thanking us for the inexplicable gift giving to keep them in the game.


You go run/run/run take time off the clock with your backs that were unstoppable all game.
At worst you attempt a 40 yard FG to make it a 3 possession game and game over.


You do not have your ice cold passer go incomplete, interception with no time taken off the clock. That is inexcusable.

 

[Codaxx]

That last possession does not really apply. That was complete garbage time after the defense finally ended the unnecessary drama. Even Texas could not screw that up. WVU just let him score as the game was over after their failed 4th down.


The possessions before that were the ones that made no sense.
Two pass plays with a 16 pt lead and the ball at the 25 yard line under 8 minutes to go??


Texas was averaging 6.1 yards per run, while having missed 13 consecutive pass attempts in the 2nd half. Even the WVU fans were thanking us for the inexplicable gift giving to keep them in the game.


You go run/run/run take time off the clock with your backs that were unstoppable all game.
At worst you attempt a 40 yard FG to make it a 3 possession game and game over.


You do not have your ice cold passer go incomplete, interception with no time taken off the clock. That is inexcusable.

Texas actually ran it 3 times all for negative yard on those drives. Each starting out with a run. WV went to 8-9 in the box in the second half and pressed the corners. So pretending that Texas was running well is disingenuous. WV dared Swoopes and the WRs to beat them and Swoopes could not. Anyone thinking you should go in a shell with 8 minutes to go needs to actually take clock management 101. It seems to be more criticizing the coaches for not calling the first down play, than actual game management critiques. Wasn't it only a week ago fans on this board were criticizing Holgorson for going conservative?

 

[ElTexan]

Speaking in generalities ("getting too conservative too early") is obtuse thinking. Specifically: Ball in fg range. 8 minutes. Equals. Run run run 2 more minutes off clock. Fg to make it three possession game. M
Add to that: you've been running all game like gangbusters (and yes, they were stopping the run in that dlparticular drive). Your qb hasn't completed a pass since the first attempt of the second half and the other team hasn't scored scrap against your lights out defense.

Seriously, we even arguing this?

I know they were loading the box. Who cares. Literally send in a goal line package and run dive after dive if need be. Just start the clock and kick the fg. Three score game with that time left? With the WVU offense of that day. Seriously

 

[Yapp14]

Besides KIFFIN's goal line play calling when USC was trying to come back against ND (YOU Face!), have you ever seen coaches actively trying to fuck over their own team and give the game away as Strong and Watson against WVU last night? Fuck. We were up by two scores with less than seven minutes at the edge of field goal range. All we had to do is run the ball three straight times (which we were doing pretty well all game) and kick a fg for a three score lead.
Instead we pass (which we couldn't do all second half AT ALL) and we leave WVU in the game with time on the clock. And we had failed to take time off the clock the previous series doing the same shit.

And wtf are you thinking Swoopes throwing an int in that situation and throwing another pass thst should have been intercepted? How fucking stupid do you have to be to throw two desperate dangerous passes UP by two scores in the 4th Q?

Fuck, he doesn't ggfow the ball awsy when sweeping out of the pocket, and then he DOES throw desperate passes UP by two scores in the 4th. FUCK

You seem dissatisfied

 

[ElTexan]

Hell, bootleg Swoopes out and if there is an uncovered, blown coverage, receiver in front of him, have Swoopes throw (roll left, big 12 ccg 1996)… and if there is not a completely wide open receiver and Swoopes has no lane to run, then have Swoopes five at the feet of the defenders for no gain (VY at goal line at end of Ohio state game 2005).
But under no no no circumstance do you throw the ball into even the minimalist of traffic.

Complete duncery there.

 

[Codaxx]

Speaking in generalities ("getting too conservative too early") is obtuse thinking. Specifically: Ball in fg range. 8 minutes. Equals. Run run run 2 more minutes off clock. Fg to make it three possession game. M
Add to that: you've been running all game like gangbusters (and yes, they were stopping the run in that dlparticular drive). Your qb hasn't completed a pass since the first attempt of the second half and the other team hasn't scored scrap against your lights out defense.

Seriously, we even arguing this?

I know they were loading the box. Who cares. Literally send in a goal line package and run dive after dive if need be. Just start the clock and kick the fg. Three score game with that time left? With the WVU offense of that day. Seriously

This is just poor thinking. It is wrong on so many levels.
Running like gangbusters: Texas was 17- 49 in the 2nd half. Take out the garbage 15 yard run at the end and it was 16 for 34.
It was a potential 2 score game with 8:45 to go and you want to go in victory formation. It is not even a thought at that pt of the game.

 

[ElTexan]

Yeah, I was making an extreme example to show you that EVEN THAT is better than what we did, throwing and risking INTs while taking no time off the clock and keeping it to a two score game.


Are we really going to start employing such weakness in this argument? Do you actually think I and that other guy meant to actually kneel the ball in victory formation? Do you think we were actually calling for that to be done?

 

[Codaxx]

Yeah, I was making an extreme example to show you that EVEN THAT is better than what we did, throwing and risking INTs while taking no time off the clock and keeping it to a two score game.


Are we really going to start employing such weakness in this argument? Do you actually think I and that other guy meant to actually kneel the ball in victory formation? Do you think we were actually calling for that to be done?

You run your offense at that pt of time. You dont change your game plan to account for clock. It is not going to change your expected win percentage much. It is way too early to go to a sub-optimal offensive game plan. You can hate the play calls themselves, but going for the first down in the right move. Not an error to throw at that pt.

 

[Lance Armstrong]

Holy crap horns fans love to complisn. Play calling was fine, the lack of execution is the problem.

 

[ElTexan]

8:45 with the ball at the WVU 28.

Even if I wanted to be COMPLETELY boring and predictable:
I'll run three power sweeps right at the line of scrimmage [that is, with clear instructions to the RB not to get cute], take ~2'05" off the clock, kick a FG, and then kick off to WVU [who hasn't been doing crap on offense all day] with ~6:40 left on the clock UP by THREE scores.

Seems pretty legit.